Re: Rate the Last 5 Fighters Who Have Held #1 P4P Status
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Right now in most peoples opinion its Floyd
b4 that it was Hopkins
b4 that it was Trinidad before his loss to Nard
Shane Mosley before the Forrest fights
Oscar DeLa Hoya in is prime
Barrera after the wins over Morales and Nas both undefeated superstars
Roy Jones Jnr In his supermiddle- light heavy days
I disagree with this. Mosley, Trinidad, and Barrera were all considered among the top fighters PFP, but they were never considered #1.
Jones was the clear #1 until he got KO'd by Tarver.
Thats true . I think ring magazine rated Roy as da man throughout his career pretty much but my personal rankings went with the man of the moment even though Jones was always a dominant champ . He never fell off apart from teh Griffin fight but I put people higher cuz Roy was just winning boring fights on points and not fighting dangerous guys . Dont get me wrong Roy was da man no doubt but Barrera beat two undfeated stars at featherweight and looked unbeatable .Oscar was da golden boy of the sport at 1 point . Mosley had an era when he was da hottest thing in boxing . After Tito beat Joppy and based on previous achievements he deserved to be p4p number 1 . and ofcourse when Bernard beat Them two he was da man until the Taylor fights .
Re: Rate the Last 5 Fighters Who Have Held #1 P4P Status
My personal timeline for who's #1 PFP is like this:
From around 1990-1993, it was Chavez and Whitaker as 1a and 1b.
Then when Whitaker beat Chavez, he became undisputed #1 and stayed that way until about '95.
Then as Whitaker started to show up out-of-shape, he and Jones became 1a and 1b, and it stayed that way until '97 when Whitaker lost to DLH (even though I thought he won.)
Then Jones was undisputed #1 from '97 until he lost to Tarver, at which point Hopkins took over. He was #1 until he lost to Taylor, at which point Mayweather moved up to #1. And Mayweather has been #1 ever since.
Re: Rate the Last 5 Fighters Who Have Held #1 P4P Status
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My personal timeline for who's #1 PFP is like this:
From around 1990-1993, it was Chavez and Whitaker as 1a and 1b.
Then when Whitaker beat Chavez, he became undisputed #1 and stayed that way until about '95.
Then as Whitaker started to show up out-of-shape, he and Jones became 1a and 1b, and it stayed that way until '97 when Whitaker lost to DLH (even though I thought he won.)
Then Jones was undisputed #1 from '97 until he lost to Tarver, at which point Hopkins took over. He was #1 until he lost to Taylor, at which point Mayweather moved up to #1. And Mayweather has been #1 ever since.
I would throw in 'Finito' Lopez somewhere in there...... even if it was for a week or so. ;D
Re: Rate the Last 5 Fighters Who Have Held #1 P4P Status
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My personal timeline for who's #1 PFP is like this:
From around 1990-1993, it was Chavez and Whitaker as 1a and 1b.
Then when Whitaker beat Chavez, he became undisputed #1 and stayed that way until about '95.
Then as Whitaker started to show up out-of-shape, he and Jones became 1a and 1b, and it stayed that way until '97 when Whitaker lost to DLH (even though I thought he won.)
Then Jones was undisputed #1 from '97 until he lost to Tarver, at which point Hopkins took over. He was #1 until he lost to Taylor, at which point Mayweather moved up to #1. And Mayweather has been #1 ever since.
I would throw in 'Finito' Lopez somewhere in there...... even if it was for a week or so. ;D
Id say Mosley too, especially when he worked Oscar, when was that 2001?
Re: Rate the Last 5 Fighters Who Have Held #1 P4P Status
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4. JCC - The man, the myth, the legend 'The Aztec Warrior', undefeated for 90 fights. A lot of people say he fought nobodies and all that but fail to point out that the chance of him loosing was still there. Arguello lost 3 times early in his career against what you people call 'bums', the man listed above B-Hop lost his debut. Another P4P 'Mantequilla' Napoles lost early in his career. He was a tough SOB and fought whomever, look at his record and his opponents and you can see that even past his best days he was game to get in there and tango with Tszyu & ODLH. I guess what I'm trying to say is he could have lost ANYONE of those fights but he didn't, Meldrick had him beat but the Warrior in him never gave up and he threw and threw punches until the bell rang. It took 'The Surgeon', IMO a less unexpected winner to beat JCC, people say JCC had an off night, they say moving up and down in weight and his problems with his wife. I don't think so Randall was just the better man that night.
I'm not trying to nitpick, because I agree with almost everything you said here, especially the stuff about how tough it is to be undefeated, no matter who your opponents are, because everyone has bad nights.
But let's be honest, Chavez did lose before Randall. Whitaker schooled him. There's no shame in that on Chavez's end, he lost to a great fighter in his prime who fought a great fight. But Chavez did get a total gift with that draw. He didn't win more than 3 or 4 rounds tops.
Well to each it's own, I saw a very very close fight IMO, I could have seen it go either way if Pernell had been credited with a win I would have been OK, if JCC would have been the winner I would have been OK. It was declared a draw and that was OK by me. I'll also say that either the state of boxing hated Pernell or he was the unluckiest boxer ever cause 2 of his loses people say he got robbed and the draw against JCC was a robbery....
Re: Rate the Last 5 Fighters Who Have Held #1 P4P Status
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4. JCC - The man, the myth, the legend 'The Aztec Warrior', undefeated for 90 fights. A lot of people say he fought nobodies and all that but fail to point out that the chance of him loosing was still there. Arguello lost 3 times early in his career against what you people call 'bums', the man listed above B-Hop lost his debut. Another P4P 'Mantequilla' Napoles lost early in his career. He was a tough SOB and fought whomever, look at his record and his opponents and you can see that even past his best days he was game to get in there and tango with Tszyu & ODLH. I guess what I'm trying to say is he could have lost ANYONE of those fights but he didn't, Meldrick had him beat but the Warrior in him never gave up and he threw and threw punches until the bell rang. It took 'The Surgeon', IMO a less unexpected winner to beat JCC, people say JCC had an off night, they say moving up and down in weight and his problems with his wife. I don't think so Randall was just the better man that night.
I'm not trying to nitpick, because I agree with almost everything you said here, especially the stuff about how tough it is to be undefeated, no matter who your opponents are, because everyone has bad nights.
But let's be honest, Chavez did lose before Randall. Whitaker schooled him. There's no shame in that on Chavez's end, he lost to a great fighter in his prime who fought a great fight. But Chavez did get a total gift with that draw. He didn't win more than 3 or 4 rounds tops.
Well to each it's own, I saw a very very close fight IMO, I could have seen it go either way if Pernell had been credited with a win I would have been OK, if JCC would have been the winner I would have been OK. It was declared a draw and that was OK by me. I'll also say that either the state of boxing hated Pernell or he was the unluckiest boxer ever cause 2 of his loses people say he got robbed and the draw against JCC was a robbery....
mick i totally disagree bro chavez vs whitaker fight wernt even disputable whitaker schooled him and easily won by 4 rounds
Re: Rate the Last 5 Fighters Who Have Held #1 P4P Status
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I'll also say that either the state of boxing hated Pernell or he was the unluckiest boxer ever cause 2 of his loses people say he got robbed and the draw against JCC was a robbery....
http://www.hbo.com/boxing/events/200...f_profile.html
Here's an article from hbo.com last year that lists the 10 most controversial decision of the past 25 years, and amazingly 3 out of the 10 involve Whitaker.
Now I'll openly admit that I'm a Whitaker fan and therefore I may be biased here.
But one thing I take as evidence that he was robbed is that all 3 times, he was in the ring against fighters who were much more popular than he was, and yet still most people are willing to admit that Whitaker got a raw deal.
Ramirez wasn't a big fighter in the States, but he was big in Europe where they fought. (it should also be noted that they fought again a year later and Whitaker won 12 rounds to 0.)
Chavez was much more popular than Whitaker and about 99% of the 60,000 fans at the Alamodome were rooting for Chavez, and the crowd seemed shocked when it was a draw.
And De La Hoya was certainly much more popular than Whitaker as well and 99% of the people in Vegas were rooting for him.
In all 3 fights, Whitaker's opponent was really the "hometown" or "house" fighter, and we all know how that goes most of the time.
The DLH fight is only a "questionable" decision, it could've gone either way. The other two were flat-out robberies though.
Re: Rate the Last 5 Fighters Who Have Held #1 P4P Status
they all handpicked oppenents...thats how you stay and get to the top.
but all are talented i'd say roy best overall but suspect chin, prime roy loses to nobody.
pernell great defense ever great chin too
bhop wise fighter, immortal 40 and living.
floyd very talented but can't rate him yet and if he retire after oscar fight, can't rate him with the others ever. waste of talent.
jcc-b.s record, has so much wins but lost to real great fighters.
Re: Rate the Last 5 Fighters Who Have Held #1 P4P Status
Roy Jones Jr.
Mayweather Jr.
Pernell Whitaker
HOpkins
JCC
This is the in terms of skill, and performance alike.
Re: Rate the Last 5 Fighters Who Have Held #1 P4P Status
1) Whitaker
Whitaker is the only one on the list who makes it top 5 P4P all time. In his prime, he was the evolution of the Willie Pep way of fighting. He didn't get hit. He was the definition of a slick fighter. He had out of this world skills. I can't say much more. The guy is the BEST boxer of all time imo. Put him in the ring with anyone from any era at 140 and he beats them. Now he may not be the greatest, but he is the best in-ring technician of all time. Put Whitaker on a paint canvas and he's a Da Vinci piece. Number 1 without much thought to be honest.
2) Roy Jones
Now I'm not big on Roy. Pound for pound he's great. Pound for pound, my interpretation at least, is predicated mostly on quality of victory and skills imo. Not so much who the guy has beat so for that reason, RJ has to be 2 even though when talking about GREATEST fighters, which relies more on quality victories, I think he is last out of these 5. But he is one of the most gifted athletes ever to step in the ring and just made it look easy.
3) Nard
4) JCC
Didn't rank Mayweather just because it wouldn't be right to.
