Tszyu Vs Mayweather--- 2002/2003

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

Did you even bother to read my post?
I said the two networks don't work together unless it's a megafight like Lewis-Tyson. While Mayweather-Tszyu would have been a big fight, it wouldn't have had 1/10 of the mainstream appeal that Lewis-Tyson did. It wouldn't have given the networks the financial incentive to work together.

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I think Ricky Hatton has a better chin than Floyd Mayweather Jr.

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Based on what evidence?

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Yes I understand, but it does seem a bit strange that BOTH Shane and Oscar skipped over 140???

Shane and Oscar vs any top tier fighter is a SUPERFIGHT and fights vs Tszyu would have been no different.


as per Ricky's chin, Ricky got hit by Kostya Tszyu a number of times.....Floyd has yet to really be hit by anyone and his family history is that of lackluster chins.....and it does matter as you'll see vs ODH

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Originally Posted by jbirdy

sweat pea by your logic then the fact that tszyu knocked out zab whereas floyd had to go the 12 with him makes kostya a better fighter than floyd then does it?

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No it doesn't. If you look thru all my posts on this site, I think I'm pretty consistent in my stance that KO victories and decision victories are the same, they're both victories.
One punch KO's like Tszyu's over Judah get fans excited and they look cool but they don't prove anything regarding overall dominance that a decisive decision victory can't prove.

The whole game of "This guy won by KO and this other guy won by decision, therefore KO guy is better" is a rather foolish argument in my opinion.

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i seriously doubt that floyd would beat tszyu before hatton did.

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Because Hatton does what better than Mayweather?

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floyd would have boxed to a decision at best.

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And that counts for less than winning because a guy quits with a round to go?

Nice match up but I think Tszyu takes this one by UD dropping PBF in the later rounds to seal the deal.....

As Lyle pointed out about PBF skipping Tszyu, Tszyus not the only fighter PBF skipped he skpped a shit! load of Champs and fought the OTHER guys...
Exactly what he did at Welter....

hatton applies pressure, generally has a higher workrate and roughs fighters up better than mayweather and has a higher KO percentage. thats about it really and i could make a list of even more things that floyd does better than hatton.
hatton had the right tactic to beat tszyu because he swarmed him, out worked him and roughed him up. that is something that floyd couldnt do and in my opinion the best floyd could do against kostya is use his superior boxing skill and try and stay out of the way of tszyu's right hand all night and maybe pinch a decision.
and yes a KO victory is generally more impressive than a points decision. that is generally the public opinion mate.

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

First, Mayweather never fought at 140 until May 2004, so if Floyd and Tszyu ever would have fought, it would've been in 2004 or early 2005. This is during the time when Tszyu took a 16 month layoff prior to fighting Hatton in mid-2005.

Tszyu was a great champ, but IMO he would've been beaten rather soundly by Floyd. The only time Tszyu fought during this time period was when he lost to Hatton. If he had to quit on his stool against Hatton, then he would have been beaten by Mayweather as well. That is, unless you think that Ricky Hatton is a better fighter than Floyd Mayweather :rotflmao:

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Originally Posted by jbirdy

agreed. mayweather chose to go for gatti to win an easier title and then claim he beat the best in the division and was the man at 140.

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One thing everybody fails to consider is that Tszyu was a Showtime fighter, whereas Mayweather and Gatti were both signed to deals with HBO. Those two networks don't work together, unless it's a huge exception like Lewis and Tyson. To ignore the politics of the sport is avoiding the whole story regarding any potential fights with Tszyu.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....I don't blame him for skipping Tszyu....Mosley and De la Hoya did it but then again they made up for that by making some big fights at 147.

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Mosley jumped right from 135 to 147 to take a big fight with DLH, so Tszyu wasn't an option.
As for DLH, see my above comment about network politics. DLH has been the cornerstone of HBO Boxing for over a decade. As long as Tszyu was with Showtime, I don't see where a fight would've been a possibility.

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It's nothing to do with Hatton. Completely contrasting styles and how hatton did against Tszyu would have no bearing on how mayweather would do. If your in the comparing business then how about comparing Zab Judah to mayweather because he's more similar than Hatton is. And we saw what happened to Zab

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Originally Posted by meowza

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meowza,
I just payed close attention to your sig. and realised the crowd.....

:lolhaha:

They look likes ghosts...... ;D

were you guys (lyle and j birdy) even following boxing around the time floyd was at 140?

do you not remember that floyd was gonna fight tszyu after the hatton fight?

remember what happened?

hatton beats tszyu, then floyd wants to fight hatton but warren didnt want ricky fighting in the us and floyd didnt want to come to england (smart move imo, because the fight probably would have went 12 and theres no way in hell pbf gets a decision in manchester regardless of how lopsided the fight would have been)

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Originally Posted by meowza

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CC, bruv. Top pic ;D


Oh, btw. I think 6 or 7 times outta 10 Floyd takes this one by UD but there is a good chance he'd get KTFO... Just cant dismiss the posibility so easily.

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Originally Posted by ono

If your in the comparing business then how about comparing Zab Judah to mayweather because he's more similar than Hatton is. And we saw what happened to Zab

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Zab and Floyd have similarities, but they're not that similar. Where they are similar is in their raw physical abilities, basically they both have great hand and foot speed.
But when it comes to actual boxing techniques, there are some pretty big differences. First is the most obvious, which is that Judah is a southpaw, and southpaws are always more vulnerable to straight right hands. It would be much more difficult for Tszyu to land a big right hand on Floyd than Zab.
And Zab, for all his skills, has never been able to use his athleticism to avoid big punches, not just against Tszyu but against any legit fighter.
Mayweather has the most refined defensive technique is all of boxing. He hasn't been able to avoid big punches his whole career because of luck, it's because of skill.

I agree with SweetPea that Floyd is an entirely different fighter than Zab. Floyd is much more complete and is mentally on a completely different level. But people need to understand that Tszyu was MUCH more than a one punch knockout artist. The man was an incredibly intelligent and skilled boxer. If they where to meet years ago in would be by far Floyd's toughest challenge. I just don't understand how people can just flat out say Floyd would just win. You don't underestimate great champions...and Tszyu was a great champion. Not to say Floyd couldn't win...but i could just as well see him losing. Since he has never fought anyone of Tszyu caliber...a fighter with great skill, intelligence, and power...i am not one to just pass judgment so quickly. I would have loved to see them fight.

Juda naturally has a much bigger punch, so he's bound to (naturally) fight different to Floyd. I can't really remember the last time he won a fight where he didn't put the other guy down... He really is a boxer-puncher IMO.

Anyway im off point.

Sweat Pea is probably right about HBO & Showtime... Its a shame really.

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Originally Posted by jbirdy

tszyu packs a hell of a punch. his sparring partners used to say he hits like a heavyweight aparently. must be a bit of an exageration i know but he was awesome and i reckon he could very well have had the power to put mayweather on his a***. but as we havent realy seen floyd take a decent punch yet we cant really judge how he would have handled geting hit by a fighter like kostya.

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He got hit very cleanly against Zab Judah, and didn't even flinch. As fighting Baldomir proved Mayweather is a totally different ball game to fight than Zab. He has a way better defense, and is also the best adapting fighter in the world.

Floyd ani't zab. PBF would have won by UD.

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Originally Posted by zhubin

But people need to understand that Tszyu was MUCH more than a one punch knockout artist. The man was an incredibly intelligent and skilled boxer. If they where to meet years ago in would be by far Floyd's toughest challenge. I just don't understand how people can just flat out say Floyd would just win. You don't underestimate great champions...and Tszyu was a great champion.

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I agree with every point you make here.
Tszyu was a great champion and much more than just a puncher. And Tszyu would've been the biggest challenge of Floyd's career at that point.
I just think Tszyu would have lost to a younger, much faster, and more well-rounded fighter like Floyd. I've always thought 140 was actually Floyd's most natural weight class and I wish he had stayed there a little longer.