Re: Holyfield: I don't use steroids!
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Originally Posted by landmine950
Ya gee! lets just phone Evander Holyfield
hey call Madona.Micheal jackson and President Bush while were at it!
The reporters said they called him from the information
they say the helpfull police let them dig through! COME ON!!!
no where in my post did i say or "let on" that Evander was great.
I wouldn't disagree with the Gatti argument. Esp if Gatti was fighting at cruiserwieght.
HE did stand in and compete with the VERY best the Division had to offer at the time. even if it was Moorer,ruiz etc.
He outworked bigger guys...thats about all...and he could take a really good whack! Tyson whacked him a few really good ones.
He was disciplined. Against Tyson he "GLUED" his right hand to the side of his head and didn't drop it.
Stayed in shape......I dunno.....he was good maybe very good....great??? I dunno...
I think his achievement are looked upon more favorably because he was small...sort of the opposite of Valuev now
we agree on most aspects of your post, except the sources being non-credible cause both you and i know they were ;)
i never said he wasnt "good." i always said he wasnt close to the "all time great" status that so many feel that he was. hence, he is over-rated
yes, he was sometimes VERY exciting and a crowd pleaser, but wasnt gatti kinda the same? how many people consider gatti an all time great? holyfield?
gatti was more exciting, and was a much better champion. evander holyfield was a media darling who could do no wrong, exciting at times, but a horrible champion (look at his record)
but most importantly, EVANDER HOLYFIELD WAS ON STEROIDS!!!
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A recent report has been "leaked" that a "Spanish looking" woman named "gurti" has been receiving BOTOX injections in New York!
She was seen eating a Montreal smoked beef sandwich and when questioned she walked away from reporters and swung her Italian leather handbag at them!
SO! why is Arturo Gatti going by the name of GURTI!?
AND why is he dressed as a woman!?
BOTOX! to numb his face to the beatings he has taken while all the while passing himself off as some kind of tough guy!
Italian handbag! "Katti" Gatti is Italian!
And Montreal smoked beef is a favorite sandwich meat in Gatti's former residence MONTREAL!!! coincidence? I think not!!
Gatti openly admits! in his website that he currently lives in New something.. York or Jersey I forget..
A sham! a phony! BOTOX to numb his face while taking false glory!!
I say he should be stripped of his title the way the years of frown wrinkles have been stripped from his face and replaced with a smooth and while somewhat leathery quite natural skin tone!
I called numbers at random from a very official looking phonebook that had pictures of ducks on it asking for anyone named GURTI!
HE REFUSED TO ACKNOWLEDGE MY CALLS!! WHY IS HE HIDING!?
Re: Holyfield: I don't use steroids!
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
including losses to such heavyweight greats as: michael moorer, john ruiz, larry donald, and even got tko'd by the heavyweight bruiser, james toney. all of this while he was on steroids :D
Does being 40 have anything to do with it maybe? And he lost to Moorer because of a morphine overdose from a prior surgery which caused his heart to abnormally grow, there were state commission doctors who proved this and Evander was tested some what 20 times by the states athletic commisions to let him fight again.
Don't you think that if he was on steroids that those 20 some tests would have found something in his system ???
This is medical proof thats on record by the way. Where's the proof you have of him on steroids ???
Steroids may give you a mean streak but do you honestly believe you're gonna pass on that it makes you stand and trade with your foes? Maybe it was just Evander's OWN HEART and determination?
I dont care how many steroids your on it doesn't make you impervious to pain! Evander standing and trading was all Evander because thats what he's always done.
3rd loss to Bowe was because of a hepitidus infection to himself. Again, proved by medical records and is in the book.
Where's the medical evidence or record that Evander took steroids? And I'm not talking about assumtions the website gives you, I'm talking about true fact and medical proof of a failed test. Until you find one your statements are empty to speculation and speculation only.
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How come they did'nt pick up on it they do blood tests don't they
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
including losses to such heavyweight greats as: michael moorer, john ruiz, larry donald, and even got tko'd by the heavyweight bruiser, james toney. all of this while he was on steroids :D
Does being 40 have anything to do with it maybe? And he lost to Moorer because of a morphine overdose from a prior surgery which caused his heart to abnormally grow, there were state commission doctors who proved this and Evander was tested some what 20 times by the states athletic commisions to let him fight again.
Don't you think that if he was on steroids that those 20 some tests would have found something in his system ???
This is medical proof thats on record by the way. Where's the proof you have of him on steroids ???
Steroids may give you a mean streak but do you honestly believe you're gonna pass on that it makes you stand and trade with your foes? Maybe it was just Evander's OWN HEART and determination?
I dont care how many steroids your on it doesn't make you impervious to pain! Evander standing and trading was all Evander because thats what he's always done.
3rd loss to Bowe was because of a hepitidus infection to himself. Again, proved by medical records and is in the book.
Where's the medical evidence or record that Evander took steroids? And I'm not talking about assumtions the website gives you, I'm talking about true fact and medical proof of a failed test. Until you find one your statements are empty to speculation and speculation only.
:coolclick: Overrated? Yeah a little bit. Steroid user? I guess Don King payed off the folks in charge of the post fight drug screens every time in order for this to be true.
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Originally Posted by amat
He's really going on the attack here which is good but doesn't totally clear your name. I have had my suspicions in the past about him BUT...
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
maybe he doesnt use steroids, but he sure as hell did ;)
read the latest scoop and ask yourself "Why was he using a fake name to get them?"
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...eld/index.html
this gut sets my theory that hes the most overrated fighter in the history of boxing, in concrete
this chump lost 8 times!!!
including losses to such heavyweight greats as: michael moorer, john ruiz, larry donald chris byrd, and even got tko'd by the heavyweight bruiser, james toney. all of this while he was on steroids :D
that guy flat out CHEATED and it wasnt good enough for him to beat the fellow heavyweight chumps (excluding toney ;) but how the F*** do you get knocked out by him??)
thoughts?
He hasn't been the same fighter since he fought Lewis for the first time. It was pretty clear that a 38 year old Holyfield couldn't cut it against the best. He only lost 3 times before the age of 38. He has a record of 4-5-2 past the age of 38. That's like saying the recent losses RJ or B-Hop suffered "peppered their primes"
And in the 3 losses, he lost his first to an in shape Riddick Bowe in an absolute tear up, fight of the year. The next fight he dropped was against Moorer in which Moorer probably got a gift decision. Then after avenging his first loss to Bowe they fought again and Evander was doing well and it was another awesome scrap until hepatitis wore him out.
2 losses to Bowe in 3 great fights, and a controversial decision loss to Moorer which he avenged by KO'ing him and he's overrated? If anything he's underrated in a sense, because possibly the best part of his career is largely ignored, that being him the greatest cruiserweight of all time.
That about sums it ip for me. :coolclick:
Re: Holyfield: I don't use steroids!
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
How come they did'nt pick up on it they do blood tests don't they
because labs are working 24/7 to come up with stuff that doesnt show up on tests. this guy he was getting them from is the one that invented "the clean" (or something like that)
if you follow baseball at all you will remember how many guys recently got popped for using steroids (ones that didnt show up on drug tests ;)) after having used them for years.
they figured this out with an investigation, not with drug tests ;)
this guy that was supplying the players with this stuff, also turns out to be the same guy that evander was doin business with
hmmmmmmmmmmm.................
2+2=4
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its pretty obvious he used steriods in his career (prob not now) when he added all that muscle onto his frame in such a short period of time.....you cant add so much muscle in such a short period of time while doing boxing, shitty diet etc while being natural.
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
How come they did'nt pick up on it they do blood tests don't they
because labs are working 24/7 to come up with stuff that doesnt show up on tests. this guy he was getting them from is the one that invented "the clean" (or something like that)
if you follow baseball at all you will remember how many guys recently got popped for using steroids (ones that didnt show up on drug tests ;)) after having used them for years.
they figured this out with an investigation, not with drug tests ;)
this guy that was supplying the players with this stuff, also turns out to be the same guy that evander was doin business with
hmmmmmmmmmmm.................
2+2=4
You must be talking about Victor Conte and BALCO. I dont remeber Evanders name comming up in that case. Sugar Shane was somehow connected to BALCO though. The "steroids" that BALCO were selling were "the clear" and "the cream". (And they sold alot of "old" steroids) There was no test for the clear and cream until a track coach sent in a vial of it. And athletes can still easily get away with taking the known steroids. They stop taking them and take some diuretics and before to long they are "clean" and still keep most of the benefits of taking steroids(Harder to do if you get tested randomly,but boxers dont have to worry about that). Steroids have been used by athletes since the late 50s and Im 100% sure that many big time name fighters have used them during their carriers.
Re: Holyfield: I don't use steroids!
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Originally Posted by landmine950
A recent report has been "leaked" that a "Spanish looking" woman named "gurti" has been receiving BOTOX injections in New York!
She was seen eating a Montreal smoked beef sandwich and when questioned she walked away from reporters and swung her Italian leather handbag at them!
SO! why is Arturo Gatti going by the name of GURTI!?
AND why is he dressed as a woman!?
BOTOX! to numb his face to the beatings he has taken while all the while passing himself off as some kind of tough guy!
Italian handbag! "Katti" Gatti is Italian!
And Montreal smoked beef is a favorite sandwich meat in Gatti's former residence MONTREAL!!! coincidence? I think not!!
Gatti openly admits! in his website that he currently lives in New something.. York or Jersey I forget..
A sham! a phony! BOTOX to numb his face while taking false glory!!
I say he should be stripped of his title the way the years of frown wrinkles have been stripped from his face and replaced with a smooth and while somewhat leathery quite natural skin tone!
I called numbers at random from a very official looking phonebook that had pictures of ducks on it asking for anyone named GURTI!
HE REFUSED TO ACKNOWLEDGE MY CALLS!! WHY IS HE HIDING!?
Although I'm inclined to believe Holyfield may have used steroids, I must admit that was a very funny way to make your point. Some people will "conjecture" their way to the moon and back.
:coolclick:
Re: Holyfield: I don't use steroids!
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Originally Posted by The_One77
its pretty obvious he used steriods in his career (prob not now) when he added all that muscle onto his frame in such a short period of time.....you cant add so much muscle in such a short period of time while doing boxing, shitty diet etc while being natural.
Body Mass ahs a lot to do with it. Plus the fact Evander was a Heavyweight its more plausible. If Evander was 147 and then bulked to 160 in a few months then thats something to look at. But Evander putting on that muscle (while under the training of Emanuel Stewart) do you think Stewart would allow such a thing or that ti would go unheard of? If Riddick Bowe can put on and take off 50 pounds between 3 fights then Evander could go up a bit and it wasn't like he instantly weighed lower in his next fight.
It's not impossible.
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Originally Posted by Starr
But Evander putting on that muscle (while under the training of Emanuel Stewart) do you think Stewart would allow such a thing or that ti would go unheard of?
I'm sorry, but that sounds like a pretty naive statement. Stewart wouldn't allow such a thing? It's not exactly like Evander would have asked Stewart's permission.... or asked Stewart to inject him... now would he. Sometimes the trainer finds out, sometimes he doesn't.
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Originally Posted by Starr
If Riddick Bowe can put on and take off 50 pounds between 3 fights then Evander could go up a bit and it wasn't like he instantly weighed lower in his next fight.
Are you comparing "His Blubberness" to the incredibly cut and sculpted Holyfield? Again, I fail to see your logic. Bowe was never a recruiting poster for steroid use, if you know what I mean. Steroid users do not aim to look like Bowe or Toney, but rather like Holyfield.
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by Starr
But Evander putting on that muscle (while under the training of Emanuel Stewart) do you think Stewart would allow such a thing or that ti would go unheard of?
I'm sorry, but that sounds like a pretty naive statement. Stewart wouldn't allow such a thing? It's not exactly like Evander would have asked Stewart's permission.... or asked Stewart to inject him... now would he. Sometimes the trainer finds out, sometimes he doesn't.
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Originally Posted by Starr
If Riddick Bowe can put on and take off 50 pounds between 3 fights then Evander could go up a bit and it wasn't like he instantly weighed lower in his next fight.
Are you comparing "His Blubberness" to the incredibly cut and sculpted Holyfield? Again, I fail to see your logic. Bowe was never a recruiting poster for steroid use, if you know what I mean. Steroid users do not aim to look like Bowe or Toney, but rather like Holyfield.
And steroids users don't automatically have a sculpted body now do they :)
Alright you wanna go with a genetic muscle bound fighter?
Shane Mosley then, fights at 154 then comes back to 147 and then goes back to what looks like 154 of muscle against Vargas buts back at 147 muscle a few months later for Collazo.
hmm....
And weren't people even saying Shannon Briggs was on steroids for his fight with Sergei ??? Because of his hand size ??? rediculous. Just as ridiculous as Evander's "supposed"
They dont even have proof it was Evander. They said someone under a name got the stuff and they are "guessing" that maybe Evander Holyfield got steroids and used the name.
Thats like someone saying Pascel Photo getting steroids and they say "my..that sounds awfully a lot like Miguel Cotto's name.. HE'S A USER!" its ridiculous. And where's the proof anyway ???
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I'm not saying it's 100% fact that Holyfield used steroids. I'm just saying that your arguments for saying he DIDN'T wouldn't stand up in court.
;D
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So you're saying it's 100% certain that Holyfield didn't use steroids?
