fighters who should of been dq that wernt

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

I realize you're obviously a big Floyd fan but you have to stop being so biased.

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No man, it honestly sounds like it's the other way around here.

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

The politics of boxing prevented justice in that case. A rule is a rule and as much as it wasn't Floyds fault, he should have been dq'ed for his corners actions.

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That would have been a cheap way for Zab to get out of that fight. It's not like it effected the fight. The clock was stopped. Floyd was given 5 minutes to recover from the low blow. The ring was cleared and the fight was started well before the 5 minutes was up. Roger was punished. He was ejected from ringside and that's who deserved to be punished. Roger didn't hurt Zab's chances of winning so there is no reason that he should have been awarded the victory.

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

He becomes the first guy I've ever heard of that gets a year suspension for throwing a low blow. Even Golota didn't pay a price that steep. It's not like Zab was throwing illegal shots all night.

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I agree the suspension was stiff. But it was his second offense and he went after one of the cornerman. And the low blow and the blow to the back of the head was bad. That deserved a point deduction imo.

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

Zab got a raw deal and if you wanna believe the commentarys version then that's fine with me but just know you're wrong on this one. That is just a case of HBO protecting their investment. Period.

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Why would a boxing fan want a fight to be called early when the situation in no way effected the outcome of the fight? That's not HBO man. That's common sense. Did Richard Steele ever confer with HBO or the powers that be? I think not. He made the right call. You don't like Floyd, that's fine, but as a boxing fan you shouldn't be wanting to dig deep to find him losses. That's not right...

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I'm sure this clip has been put up here a ton of times, but watch again if you have to.
Watch at about the 0:25 or 0:26 mark. Mayweather is standing in the corner doing nothing, and all the pushing in the middle of the ring, and then Judah runs around to the other side to get involved. If Judah just stayed in his corner and let the people in the middle of the ring do whatever they were gonna do, he wouldn't have gotten a year.

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

A rule is a rule and as much as it wasn't Floyds fault, he should have been dq'ed for his corners actions.

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But the spirit of a rule is more important than the exact words of a rule. Technically, the ref could've DQ'd Floyd under the words of the rule. But he would've been penalizing a fighter who did nothing wrong and gained no advantage, and that's not the intent behind the rule.

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Everything was against Zab that night from the ref not calling the knockdown to the non DQ.

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Yes, it was a knockdown and it should've been a 10-8 round for Judah. But that knockdown meant nothing in the long run. Floyd won enough rounds that the point didn't make any difference at all.

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To add insult to injury, he becomes the first guy I've ever heard of that gets a year suspension for throwing a low blow.

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This has been covered in a million different threads, just in the 5 or 6 months that I've been a member here. He didn't get suspended a year for low blows. He got suspended because after Roger came in the ring, Judah started running around and throwing haymakers at people in the ring. Watch the tape if you don't believe me.
He got suspended because he:
a. started the whole incident by throwing a blatant low blow and a blatant rabbit punch. Both were clearly intentional.
b. After Roger escalated things by entering the ring, Zab escalated them even further by throwing the punches in the brawl that I already referred to.
c. Zab was also punished because this was not his first offense. He already had the suspension from the Tsyzu fight, a suspension that he deserved. When it's not your first time messing up, you're going to be punished more harshly.
I like watching Zab fight, he's got a lot of skills and I think a lot of people here underrate him. But he has a tendency to act like a jackass when he faces adversity.

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Zab got a raw deal and if you wanna believe the commentarys version

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This isn't the commentators' version, it's my version. Whenever something controversial happens, I always make a point to watch it over again with no sound, so that I'm not influenced by what they're saying.

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Again, he wasn't throwing dirty punches the whole fight so to say that one low blow and a rabbit punch in the same sequence is reason for him to be blamed for inciting a brawl, in ridiculous. You need to get your head out the Floyd bandwagon and see the situation for what it was.

How many other cornermen do you see jumping in the ring when their fighter gets hit low? I can't name one and you probably won't be able to either.

Maybe you're not influenced by the commentary but you're definitely blinded by your love for Floyd. It's either one or the other for sure.

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

[youtube=425,350]BpVlaVy12hE[/youtube]
I'm sure this clip has been put up here a ton of times, but watch again if you have to.
Watch at about the 0:25 or 0:26 mark. Mayweather is standing in the corner doing nothing, and all the pushing in the middle of the ring, and then Judah runs around to the other side to get involved. If Judah just stayed in his corner and let the people in the middle of the ring do whatever they were gonna do, he wouldn't have gotten a year.

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I don't need the clip. I have the fight at home.

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

How many other cornermen do you see jumping in the ring when their fighter gets hit low? I can't name one and you probably won't be able to either.

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I can't name any. And that's why Roger was ejected from the fight and was suspended. I don't see any people here defending Roger's actions or saying he got a raw deal. Everyone agrees Roger was wrong and that he deserved to be punished. You're arguing here about something we all agree on.

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Maybe you're not influenced by the commentary but you're definitely blinded by your love for Floyd. It's either one or the other for sure.

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There are lots of people here who are very anti-Floyd, and yet you're the only person I can think of who thinks that Judah got a raw deal by not winning by DQ. Either you're blinded by a love for Judah, or everyone else here is wrong and you're the only one who is right. What do you think is more likely?

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Originally Posted by amat

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

I realize you're obviously a big Floyd fan but you have to stop being so biased.

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No man, it honestly sounds like it's the other way around here.

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

The politics of boxing prevented justice in that case. A rule is a rule and as much as it wasn't Floyds fault, he should have been dq'ed for his corners actions.

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That would have been a cheap way for Zab to get out of that fight. It's not like it effected the fight. The clock was stopped. Floyd was given 5 minutes to recover from the low blow. The ring was cleared and the fight was started well before the 5 minutes was up. Roger was punished. He was ejected from ringside and that's who deserved to be punished. Roger didn't hurt Zab's chances of winning so there is no reason that he should have been awarded the victory.

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

He becomes the first guy I've ever heard of that gets a year suspension for throwing a low blow. Even Golota didn't pay a price that steep. It's not like Zab was throwing illegal shots all night.

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I agree the suspension was stiff. But it was his second offense and he went after one of the cornerman. And the low blow and the blow to the back of the head was bad. That deserved a point deduction imo.

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

Zab got a raw deal and if you wanna believe the commentarys version then that's fine with me but just know you're wrong on this one. That is just a case of HBO protecting their investment. Period.

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Why would a boxing fan want a fight to be called early when the situation in no way effected the outcome of the fight? That's not HBO man. That's common sense. Did Richard Steele ever confer with HBO or the powers that be? I think not. He made the right call. You don't like Floyd, that's fine, but as a boxing fan you shouldn't be wanting to dig deep to find him losses. That's not right...

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I hear what you're saying but the bottom line is that a rule is a rule and it was Roger and not Zab who really incited that and he should have been DQ'ed.

What kind of message does that send to other boxers out there to know that anytime his opponents corner becomes irate, he's in danger and his opponent can sit back look like an angel and not have to face any consequences.

I agree that Zab could have lost a point though. Even though he didn't do anything else that was dirty at any other time in the fight.

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

How many other cornermen do you see jumping in the ring when their fighter gets hit low? I can't name one and you probably won't be able to either.

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I can't name any. And that's why Roger was ejected from the fight and was suspended. I don't see any people here defending Roger's actions or saying he got a raw deal. Everyone agrees Roger was wrong and that he deserved to be punished. You're arguing here about something we all agree on.

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Maybe you're not influenced by the commentary but you're definitely blinded by your love for Floyd. It's either one or the other for sure.

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There are lots of people here who are very anti-Floyd, and yet you're the only person I can think of who thinks that Judah got a raw deal by not winning by DQ. Either you're blinded by a love for Judah, or everyone else here is wrong and you're the only one who is right. What do you think is more likely?

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Are you trying to say that if I don't agree with you and everyone else in here it makes me wrong? Wow, that's pretty silly.

I thank god for blessing me with two eyes to make it possible for me to see things for what they are.

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

Are you trying to say that if I don't agree with you and everyone else in here it makes me wrong? Wow, that's pretty silly.

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Well you allege that I must think the way I do because I am a big Floyd fan and I am "blinded" by the fact that I root for Floyd. The insinuation being that an unbiased person wouldn't think the way I think about this incident.

Yet lots of people who don't root for Floyd and are definitely not blinded agree that he shouldn't have been DQ'd. So obviously there are other reasons to believe my argument that don't involved being blinded or biased.

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

Are you trying to say that if I don't agree with you and everyone else in here it makes me wrong? Wow, that's pretty silly.

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Well you allege that I must think the way I do because I am a big Floyd fan and I am "blinded" by the fact that I root for Floyd. The insinuation being that an unbiased person wouldn't think the way I think about this incident.

Yet lots of people who don't root for Floyd and are definitely not blinded agree that he shouldn't have been DQ'd. So obviously there are other reasons to believe my argument that don't involved being blinded or biased.

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Sorry Sweet but I held out as long as I could and I'm fallin asleep here so I'll check my replies tommorow if I can. Good debating with you as always. Peace.

NO way shouold floyd have been DQ'd for that! If what rodger did was in anyway a bonus to flloyd then fair enough enough, but it wasn't and like sweetpea said, it would of been a joek flord zab to have won by DQ FOR hitting with a low blow. not much more i can say or i would just be repeating everything sweetpea did coz he pretty much coverd it all and bang on the button to.

He may like/love floyd i freaking hate him and would love to see him lose, but legit - not by some bull shit DQ that wasn't his fault! It is possible to have an opinion about a fighter you like tho... not fair to accuse sum1 of being biast just coz what they think/post is agasint what you think... one could argue your a floyd hater or a zab lover...

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Originally Posted by glennf

Hatton was lucky not to be DQ'd againstTszyu!

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Totally agree with this i take it your referring to the low blow he gave tszyu that was nothing but intensional

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

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Originally Posted by glennf

Hatton was lucky not to be DQ'd againstTszyu!

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Totally agree with this i take it your referring to the low blow he gave tszyu that was nothing but intensional

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you mean like the 3 tszyu hit hatton with before it? tszyu shuda gone first if thats the case.

skelton v williams ( skelton was wrestling, using his elbows and head )


bika v calzaghe ( filthy fighter that bika )

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

Wlad for holding Peter excessively. No that was not tying up. That was blatant holding.

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Peter for repeated punching behind the head against wlad, resulting in two of the 3 knockdowns in the fight.

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Originally Posted by glennf

Hatton was lucky not to be DQ'd againstTszyu!

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Not really..Considering he had been hit with two low blows before he returned just the one..

I say toney - peter II
I would have dq'd peter..Those rabit punches were butal in the first few rounds