Re: Mosley to Help De La Hoya Training
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
We're totally on opposite sides of the fence, E.G. You want Oscar to win, but you think Floyd will win instead. I, on the other hand, would dearly love for Oscar to lose, but I happen to think he's got the better chance to win the fight. Weird, huh?
:D :D :D :D :D Totally weird bro especially as we almost always agree(the few times I catch you online!) I see your points but I think the points I made,the adjustments Oscar has to make,allllllll those things he has to do which he has either not done before or has not done for a long time,will make it difficult for him. I think the size of the ring could be important too,Floyd,in the ring in which he fought Baldo,is dam near unbeatable,I mean with his speed and fantastic defence! Oscar needs to get a smaller ring too,Reyes gloves,154 pounds,heck put in a stipulation that the fighters MUST weigh 154 pounds! ;D
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
We're totally on opposite sides of the fence, E.G. You want Oscar to win, but you think Floyd will win instead. I, on the other hand, would dearly love for Oscar to lose, but I happen to think he's got the better chance to win the fight. Weird, huh?
:D :D :D :D :D Totally weird bro especially as we almost always agree(the few times I catch you online!) I see your points but I think the points I made,the adjustments Oscar has to make,allllllll those things he has to do which he has either not done before or has not done for a long time,will make it difficult for him. I think the size of the ring could be important too,Floyd,in the ring in which he fought Baldo,is dam near unbeatable,I mean with his speed and fantastic defence! Oscar needs to get a smaller ring too,Reyes gloves,154 pounds,heck put in a stipulation that the fighters MUST weigh 154 pounds! ;D
How right you are, my friend. We almost always agree. On this one, I'd still bet on Oscar..... but I gotta admit it could be a pretty close fight. A lot depends on Floyd's focus. To me, there's no question about Oscar's focus. He'll be hell bent on building on his legacy, and doesn't want to go out with a whimper. But Floyd's focus could be another story, IMO. Definitely a bigger ring would help Floyd, he of the faster feet. But I don't know...... there's some intangibles out there that still make me think that Oscar will pull it off. And if it comes down to a decision, I also think Oscar will get the nod.
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Yep,I agree,there are some intangibles and IF Oscar lands,Floyd will NEVER have been hit as hard,how will he react?(hopefully he'll be KTFO) but I think between us,we have made nearly every point for both sides! ;D and I honestly hope,for once,that Oscar gets a decision!! I said as soon as the fight was announced and I'll keep on saying it,there will be a rematch for sure. What makes you question Floyd' focus bro? He always seems pretty focussed to me!
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I don't know. Call it a gut feeling. All I know is that I think Oscar will prepare for this fight like never before. His legacy's at stake (at least in his eyes). Floyd will be out to prove something, but I just don't know how seriously he'll bear down on Oscar. With all the p4p talk, he may make the mistake of not taking an aging DLH too seriously. Again, just a gut feeling. Sometimes it's not much to go on, but it's still there.
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
I don't know. Call it a gut feeling. All I know is that I think Oscar will prepare for this fight like never before. His legacy's at stake (at least in his eyes). Floyd will be out to prove something, but I just don't know how seriously he'll bear down on Oscar. With all the p4p talk, he may make the mistake of not taking an aging DLH too seriously. Again, just a gut feeling. Sometimes it's not much to go on, but it's still there.
I actually think Oscar's legacy is on the line here.I mean if he loses this,he will have lost quite a few of his big fights. He will be remembered more for his looks,his appeal and his losses than his wins. I think Tito is clearly ahead of him,this would give him a huge leap to at least catch up to Trinidad and confirm himself as a true legend.
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Truth is speed is Mayweathers best friend on this matter.....IMO he is not a better all around than DLH and he is definatly not stronger or does he posess the power to KO him...If Oscar can figure out a way to handle Floyds speed the fight is all his
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Hey PRP.... how you doing? On that subject, I've always felt that ODLH's chances are very good to beat PBF. I don't want it to be that way, but a number of things tilt the balance in DLH's favor:
1. Oscar's experience will be a deciding factor. He'll use that in his favor.
2. They're fighting at 154. How Floyd got talked into this one, I'll never know. Oscar always seems to get his way. Chalk up another advantage for Oscar.
3. Floyd's tailor-made for Oscar. He's not exactly a puncher, so Oscar can afford to trade.
4. And now... the Mosley factor. Training with Mosley will definitely finish tilting the balance in Oscar's favor.
Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.
1. Oscar has 5 more pro fights than Floyd. That might be an advantage if one guy has 6 pro fights and the other has 1, but when it's 42 and 37, it's zero advantage.
2. This is the only advantage Oscar carries into this fight, and like every other fighter Floyd moved up to face, it won't mean a thing after the fight's over.
3. Sorry to break this to you, but no 'boxer' is 'tailor made' for Oscar. The only fighters who've truly beaten him or given him the scares of his career have been boxers. If you could ask Oscar the one style he would not want to face, it would be that of a good athletic boxer.
4. This ain't Rocky III. Having a pro train you for 8 weeks doesn't give you their skills.
Like I've said in previous posts..... Oscar is a savvy businessman, with an uncanny sense of timing. AND, he's very careful with his legacy. He's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table.
(I guess you've never heard of Bernard Hopkins.)
1. Boxing experience is not always strictly a number of how many fights you have. It's a little more complicated than that. JCC Jr. has more pro fights than Miguel Cotto. Does that make him more experienced? It's the nature of the fights and what you've learned from them.
2. I'm glad you agree.
3. I guess we'll agree to disagree. Oscar's not gonna risk getting knocked on his a$$ by a good puncher. And please don't mention the Tito-damaged Mayorga. Oscar knew exactly when to take this guy on. If Floyd, on top of being the boxer he is, could punch worth a damn at 154, there would BE no fight.
4. Again, I guess we'll just have to disagree. Oscar doesn't need Mosley to "give him his skills." I'd like to think he's got skills of his own. A little fine-tuning? Yes. Unless of course you feel there's no value in that, either.
And yes..... I've heard of Bernard Hopkins. But tell me. What the hell does that have to do with what I stated?
Can you read the quote I put above the last statement? I thought you said Oscar's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he sign to fight Bernard Hopkins ??? ::**
Seems like he made a great business decision to me despite losing to Hopkins he is soon to make more millions. Losing to a larger skilled champion is nothing to hide from. And I agree if PBF had a punch this fight would not exist. For De La hoya to think hs can do better than Judah & JLC did in his 1st fight with PBF is obvious. Does anyone think Castillo, Corales, Judah, Baldomar, Gatti mirror De La Hoyas skill ? Then add in the jump in weight for PBF without a tuneup at that level ....... hmmmm sounds like Oscar's not about to take a fight without all the chips being on his side of the table. Just curious as to the how the level of competition ODH has fought , how many days have they reigned as champion vs PBF opponents, how many belts earned?
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Ring rust is over rated!!
I firmly believe a good rest does elite boxers the world of good, especially when they carry injuries. So long as they look after their bodies i.e. don't abuse roids.
Mark my words.. When Floyd loses this one it will be because he hurt his hand. ^-^
If they stand centre ring trading in what appears to be an all out war and Oscar loses a decision then 2 days later PBF joins Golden Boy Promotions I'll be physically sick!!
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I think people are forgetting. Mosley is not Mayweather, and though his speed will help prepare ODLH for Mayweather Mosley isn't even close to as fast as Mayweather in this stage of his career, and he doesn't throw the same punches. Like PBF said ODLH could be faster and stronger, and still it wouldn't make a difference in the fight because PBF is so good.
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Thats the thing, I haven't seen Mayweather be "so good' in a long time. Mayweather is good but people forget that Oscar is as talented a fighter as anyone out there. Plus, people don't bring up the fact that Oscar stated he had never lifted weights, but before the Mayorga fight he did so to improve his power. He knocked down an iron jawed Mayorga in the first round with a RIGHT HAND...making me think that Mayweather will be Ko'd in the middle rounds. DLH is too big for Mayweather, the same way Hopkins was for DLH
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Thats the thing, I haven't seen Mayweather be "so good' in a long time. Mayweather is good but people forget that Oscar is as talented a fighter as anyone out there. Plus, people don't bring up the fact that Oscar stated he had never lifted weights, but before the Mayorga fight he did so to improve his power. He knocked down an iron jawed Mayorga in the first round with a RIGHT HAND...making me think that Mayweather will be Ko'd in the middle rounds. DLH is too big for Mayweather, the same way Hopkins was for DLH
My sentiments exactly. I feel the same as I did about ODH vs Hopkins. PBF may out box him for a while, but eventually he's going to take some punches. When he does I don't think he's going to react well. I just don't see PBF being strong enough to win this fight. And the chance PBF has is to run, I highly doubt the judges will give him a win if he does that. This is being hyped as the fight of the century, PBF is saying he's going to stand and trade, if he doesn't he's not winning a decision. I and most of the other people will feel that he scammed us into buying this fight by lying and NEVER intending to fight, just run. PBF will not win a decision if he doesn't make this action packed. And PBF has little chance to ko ODH.
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Oscar has power in both hands. People think he is just the left hook. I honestly feel Mayweather is in a lose/lose situation. I don't care what he says to the press...there is no way in hell he will trade with Oscar. Floyd might get away with being cute against slow fighters like Baldomir and Gatti....but Oscar, even at this stage, has great skill and power. If Floyd tries to keep a distance the whole fight....the crowd, and potentially the judges, could turn on him. Is that his fault...not really...but that's just reality.
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I think ODH has made a mistake with this one. regardless of his flaws, PBF always comes in top shape and is hardly ever complacent. Any time people have questioned him and he has had to step up he has so enphatically. Some times so much that people end up doubting the quality of the opponent. ODH is a talented experienced pro and all Mosley will provide him with is top quality sparring.
PBF won't stand and trade, he will stand on the outside and pot-shot and point score. He won't hurt ODH but I think he will irritate and frustrate him. PBF is a counter puncher and I don't think ODH is at his best coming forward and closing someone down. PBF will be willing to out box and speed ODH from the outside forcing ODH to come forward.
If ODH is going to spend the night looking for the punch that gets PBF into trouble then it may not come. In any case, even if he does get tagged he quick enough on his feet to stay away from trouble until he recovered. Hell he's got the reflexes to stay out of trouble on the ropes.
I'm making my stand and sticking my neck out............
PBF on points!!!!!!! ;D
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He mentioned his desire to fight in Mexico and/or England.
this bit really intrests me... imagine Ricky coming through Castillo and the formalty of DLH beating Mayweather.
DLH vs Hatton was nearly a done deal at the start of this year so it could happen again....
DO WE HAVE A VENUE BIG ENOUGH IN THE UK FOR DLH VS HATTON :o
by the way the clue is in the "Mexico ((Castillo)) and/or England ((Hatton))
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Originally Posted by Saddo
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Originally Posted by Puerto Rican Punch
He mentioned his desire to fight in Mexico and/or England.
this bit really intrests me... imagine Ricky coming through Castillo and the formalty of DLH beating Mayweather.
DLH vs Hatton was nearly a done deal at the start of this year so it could happen again....
DO WE HAVE A VENUE BIG ENOUGH IN THE UK FOR DLH VS HATTON :o
by the way the clue is in the "Mexico ((Castillo))
and/or England ((Hatton))
great fight to end both careers ;)
