HEY ONE OF MY IRISH CO-WORKERS GAVE ME CONNIE GUL? IM SURE I TOTALLY MISPELLED IT BUT THATS HOW IT SOUNDS. ITS LIKE AN IRISH STEW. LIKE BEEF STEW, BUT THIS ONE WAS CHICKEN STEW WITH POTATOES. IT WAS PRETTY DAMN GOOD. ANYONE EVER TRY IT BEFORE?
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HEY ONE OF MY IRISH CO-WORKERS GAVE ME CONNIE GUL? IM SURE I TOTALLY MISPELLED IT BUT THATS HOW IT SOUNDS. ITS LIKE AN IRISH STEW. LIKE BEEF STEW, BUT THIS ONE WAS CHICKEN STEW WITH POTATOES. IT WAS PRETTY DAMN GOOD. ANYONE EVER TRY IT BEFORE?
U2-Sunday Bloody Sunday
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What I think happend on bloody sunday!!!
Youth's started throwing stones at the soldiers of 1para(1st battalion of the parachute regiment.
1para were sent in with battons to clear the rioters and make arests.
This is where it gets unclear.Its now an established fact that shots were fired by the IRA or other gunmen at the paras at some stage of the day.Who fired first is unclear.The paras say they were fired on and returned fire,they rioters/marchers said 1para opend fire with out warning.13 rioters/marchers were killed.
What I think happend is that the paras were shot at first and they returned fire with overwhelming force just as they would in a normal combat situation and as they were trained to.The IRA gunmen melted away but 5 or 6 out of control paras kept on shooting at the crowds.
IMO the IRA has to take some of the blame for what happend that day as IMO they started shooting first but that is no excuse for the way 1 para responded.As I have already said most of the deaths were caused by 5 or 6 1para soldiers who were out of control.
P.S.the IRA leader on the ground that day was Martian McGunis who some have said fired the firts shot that started it all. He is now part of the Northen Ireland government.
cc.porkypara
That's about right from all the things I've watched an read about it. Quite supprising how un biased your opinion is cosidering your an ex para an how many paras have been killed by the Provos. You done a tour of Ulster?
I served with 3 Para and did two tours of Ulster/NI. I met some of the guys who had been at Bloody Sunday and they said they were shit scared, in a country that hated them and they heard shots. One of them went down and they reacted as they had been trained to. One guy swore to me that he had been shot in the leg on that day and it was not by a British weapon.
The Parachute Regiment are elite combat troops, not peace keepers and are trained in assault tactics and aggressive manoevers. Also we had nice guns and liked to use them at every opportunity ;D
When I was there, women would spit at you out of windows and empty buckets of shit onto us. Every moment on patrol was tense because snipers and bombers were everywhere. The IRA was, at that time, exactly the same situation as today's Iraqi insurgency. Exactly.
I was proud to serve my country and thus went through extremely tough selection training to be accepted into the best regular unit in the British Army, if not the world. I bear no malice towards anyone Irish and, being Welsh, have some sympathy with being in a small country next to a big one and sometimes wanting to be totally independant....... but we were at war and while it is a tragedy that innocent people lost their lives, that is what you get if you fire at the Parachute Regiment (then, or indeed today) We were tough combat troops with experience in Oman, and various other places that didn't make the history books. I did some nasty things to people in my time (some were from other British Regiments ;))
I don't know what the truth is about Bloody Sunday. Mouths are shut.
I also served with colleagues who told me that they executed Argentine surrenderees rather than take prisoners who would have slowed down the lightning advance in the Falklands.
Shit happens. I bear no ill will towards anyone and can understand how outraged victims' families would be - just as I can understand how outraged families of my friends who were blown up and lost legs were.
CC in 24HRS bro!Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashup
Terrible day... my uncle was in the area at the time of the march and he said the place was in chaos.
Supposedly rocks were thrown at the British soldiers by some of the marchers (confrontations like that were very common back then) and it appeared that the soldiers opened gunfire on hearing word that an IRA sniper was in the area. Irish & British journalists, local residents and marchers have all insisted that the soldiers fired into and unarmed crowd... and the fact that none of the soldiers sutained any injuries like bullet or nail bomb wounds probably backs that up. I'm not sure if we will ever know what really happened!
I find it really tragic that many of the people killed were either shot in the back as they fled or shot as they aided people who were already wounded... that is the part that doesn't fit with me. Seemed like the soldiers were picking off random people or something... either way, a truly tragic event that was a turning point in the troubles... for the worse. :(
I have always wanted to know what happend that day.I have Irish family so that might be the reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by motorcitycobra
You would be suprised how many Irish people there are in the Para Reg.
I did Bosnia and Kosovo.
Only went to NI to play rugby in an army tornement.We lost to an SAS/14int team.
.....just looked it up on Wikipedia......John Duddy's uncle was killed in that violence
Yeah, that was Jackie Duddy... there is a mural of him being carried away dying by a priest and a few others on a wall in Rossville street near where the incident took place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Edit: Here is the mural...
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Just throwing my two cents in for what it's worth:
A good book that clarifies much of that infamous day was written by Don Mullan, 'Eyewitness to Bloody Sunday'. I had the honor of meeting him at an I.A.U.C. at the U.N. in New York a few years back. Really great guy with no hatred in his soul even though one of his close friends was shot in the back and killed that day. We all went out to get a pint after the presentation at the U.N. as many of my fellow A.O.H. brothers were in attendance. There was also a British journalist in attendance that witnessed the event as a reporter for B.B.C. news. His recollection was quite chilling, to put it in the mildest and most diplomatic terms. The paras, by no fault of their own, just got a bit trigger happy. After all, these men are trained professional soldiers who were dropped into a very volatile situation by their government.
Following a 'rigorous' British investigation, not one of the soldiers were brought up on charges. The Lord Widgery report was an absolute farce and a blatant cover-up. I've read the report and the challenge to his report which really exposes him for a fraud.
What happened in Free Derry that day was a horrible thing, but it doesn't even scratch a particle in the context of mass genocide, An Gorta Mor and all the evils that government has inflicted on the natives of Ireland.
Before this spins out of control, I'll just close with this: 'The Troubles' are still present in the occupied counties of the North. Irish History is replete with redundancy and tragic events. The only end to this conflict would be for the British government to come to it's senses and pull out of the North and allow a full 32 county unification. I certainly don't advocate that people of Scotch and British decent leave Ireland. I, like many others, would like to see them stay in a country that they have roots in for over 800 years. They would just have to surrender to a democracy under a unified nation's laws where they can maintain their own parties and be active participants in the democratic process. That's much more than the British government and past Monarchs gave to us.
If they want to follow their flag back to the U.K., they can cross the Irish sea by whatever means they desire. Although I wouldn't recommend using a raft and pattle. LOL...just trying to lighten the mood.
This in no way is unique to England: Prior to the Battle of Hastings, Irish marauders sacked many areas in England. The U.S. has invaded many sovereign nations and brought about the deaths of many. The debacle in occupying Iraq is the biggest blunder since Vietnam - illegal and clandestine operations in Cambodia only radically
exacerbated the carnage and paved the way for little Hitler's and Stalin's like Pol Pot.
It's unfortunate what's happened to England, too. When I arrived at King's Cross from Doncaster last summer I was amazed at the cultural make-up of the population. It made me think of the insidious nature of America passing on it's mis-virtues to the rest of the globe. But it has more to do with an English bloody and voracious colonialist past.
My relatives are scattered between both England and the south-west region of County Cork. I even have a few that moved on to Bavaria in southern Germany - Absolutely gorgeous country filled with lots of beer drinking beautiful blond women. Just thinking about it gives me...well, I won't go there. My girlfriend will probably find this post with me sorry ass Gael luck.
Nevertheless, this has turned into an incoherent ramble as I've been up for 28 hours doing work. Thanks for the patience to put up with this drivel. Adderall XR really pumps up the dopamine levels. ;D
Peace to all. Many of my closest friends are Brits and the salt of the earth. It's important to set aside antipathy for certain British political positions and put the vast majority of the population that lives under it's rule into perspective. I'm an eternal idealist, and I remain ever hopeful that both sides of the two extremes put down their guns and do the right thing. If someone of the ilk of Trimble can win a Nobel Peace Prize, the unimaginable is no longer a long fought dead end pipe-dream, but a tangible goal for a population of disenfranchised patriots; excluding the thugs of the Real I.R.A., however, I have an equal dislike for the gun touting murderous Paisley-ites and the extremes of the Orange order.
Cheers brothers and sisters. I'm off for a quick nap then out to work with dreams of Valuev lying on the canvas for the count of 10 while pondering what his simian counterparts are up to. ;)
Good film that covers the original topic fairly well is 'Bloody Sunday', which came out in 2002. Check it out if you get a chance. It's very even handed.
As I have already said I think 5 or 6 paras were out of countrol that day and caused most if not all of the deaths.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Shadow
I know I am puting you on the spot but who in your opinion fired the first shots?
Also is it accepted by republican's that shots were fired at the paras at some stage of the incident.
That remains a bit unclear, brother. I think that the re-routing of the original march route just threw a ton of gas on an already unmanagable flame. My personal opinion - though it's idle speculation at this point, is that a youngster got hold of a gun and fired. Don Mullan even isn't entirely certain. Yet none of the paras were injured and subsequent rounds fired by certain soldiers were outlandishly high.
I can't speak for Republican Nationalist as opinions vary from thoughtful inference to outright paranoid psychosis of evil and wicked premeditated plots of the absurd. Quite imaginative ones, too, I might add. Guess the only one that knows is the man above.
How's Wales? Haven't had the opportunity to make it there yet. I'll probably try to fit some spots of interest in the fall as I have work in England for a couple of weeks in the fall.
Any suggestions on some cool historic sites, great pubs and good concert venues would be appreciated.
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Originally Posted by The Shadow
Cant go wrong with a vist to Cardiff.Loads of stuff to do + see.Cardiff Castle,milleium stadium loads of good pubs.
Lots of gigs on through out the year.
Cardiff Bay is also great when the weather is nice.
Have fun.
Porky, Shadow, Brilliant cc to you both