Re: MAYWEATHER CONTINUES TO RAMBLE ABOUT MMA AND CHUCK LIDELL
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
I'm glad a boxer finally stood up and says mma is garbage and a fad because quite frankly it is. Anyone can win an mma match because all the fighters are technically sloppy. "Oh but they have to have a different blocking stance to defend against takedowns and joe rogans favorite: leg kicks" bs you side step away from a guy thats trying to take you down and punch them right in the face, their horrible blocking results in them getting ktfo and ding ding ding the boxer wins.
Mma fights are just pussified street fights (and dont tell me mma simulates real fighting because the number one tool in my arsenal is a pre-emptive headbutt). You either wanna see a street fight or a legit sport not a deformed hybrid. Lex Luther made the comments in response that he did because he still has sand in his vagina over being too much of a wimp to become a pro boxer.
Yea dude do some homework.... Please bro if thats your strategy (me being a MMa guy) I got 15 other ways to take you down
Stop while your ahead you myswell bend over and squeeze your ass together Ace Ventura style while your talking... Cause out your ass is were its coming out of ;)
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I say the following not being a fan of UFC or Pride style fighting. You take a great athlete who is highly skilled in grappling, submissions, kicking, and punching and pit them against someone who is just highly skilled in one thing....logic says the fighter with multiple skills has a better chance of winning most of the time. Does that mean if you take the best boxer and have them fight the best mixed martial artist...the boxer will definitely lose...no. But for someone to simply dismiss ALL of these UFC/Pride guys as hacks who would not stand a chance against professional boxers is ridiculous. Also, remember that these "ultimate fighters" are also fighting with certain rules (no elbow, head, etc.)...obviously in a street fight...rules don't much apply. Is boxing a more "beautiful" and nuanced sport...i would say so. But it's foolish to simply label MMA as ineffective.
Re: MAYWEATHER CONTINUES TO RAMBLE ABOUT MMA AND CHUCK LIDELL
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
Anyone can win an mma match because all the fighters are technically sloppy. "Oh but they have to have a different blocking stance to defend against takedowns and joe rogans favorite: leg kicks" bs you side step away from a guy thats trying to take you down and punch them right in the face, their horrible blocking results in them getting ktfo and ding ding ding the boxer wins.
Art Jimmerson subscribed to a similar philosophy back in 1993. He ended up tapping out without even being put in a submission hold, and this was when there were truly no rules. Because if you're implying that a boxer learn other techniques to avoid a takedown other than boxing, you're talking crosstraining; shades of MMA.
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Mma fights are just pussified street fights (and dont tell me mma simulates real fighting because the number one tool in my arsenal is a pre-emptive headbutt). You either wanna see a street fight or a legit sport not a deformed hybrid.
All you're really saying is you're letting the old guard and athletic commissions tell you what is culturally palatable, and have great difficulty in seeing outside the preconceived notions box. I reject your premise.
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Originally Posted by Beanflicker
I've been an MMA fan a lot longer than I've been a boxing fan, and after posting on MMA boards for the past 6 years I've seen this. Not saying that MMA fans are all stupid, not at all, I'm just saying on average the boxing fan is more educated about his sport than the MMA fan, and thats a fact.
It seems to me the average boxing fan don't understand MMA much, either. That said, while there are parallels between the two sports, it's comparing apples to oranges. There's more to understand when watching MMA than boxing, unless of course we're talking about the rules and regulations. Sure, for many common MMA fans it is just a spectacle, but that doesn't negate the fact this a multi-dimensional sport that includes strikes as well as grappling and submissions.
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It is geared towards showcasing as much violence as humanly possible. Don't believe me? Look at the rules. If the fighters are on the ground and there is not enough violence or blood, the ref will stand it up and move them out of that position. When was the last time you watched a boxing match and the ref told them "there's not enough action, I'm going to restart you guys in the corner".
You've only replaced "corner" with "middle of the ring", and yes, referee interference is far more prevailant in boxing than MMA. Why? Because boxers caught in a clench aren't swinging enough.
At least 450 people worldwide have died of boxing-related injuries in the past 50 years. That's a world wide average of 90 boxing related deaths per decade. To date, I'm aware of one MMA related death in the last 15 years.
Re: MAYWEATHER CONTINUES TO RAMBLE ABOUT MMA AND CHUCK LIDELL
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
I'm glad a boxer finally stood up and says mma is garbage and a fad because quite frankly it is. Anyone can win an mma match because all the fighters are technically sloppy. "Oh but they have to have a different blocking stance to defend against takedowns and joe rogans favorite: leg kicks" bs you side step away from a guy thats trying to take you down and punch them right in the face, their horrible blocking results in them getting ktfo and ding ding ding the boxer wins.
Mma fights are just pussified street fights (and dont tell me mma simulates real fighting because the number one tool in my arsenal is a pre-emptive headbutt). You either wanna see a street fight or a legit sport not a deformed hybrid. Lex Luther made the comments in response that he did because he still has sand in his vagina over being too much of a wimp to become a pro boxer.
mma is another sport within itself the winners are the best men alot like in boxing.True a mma fighter would have a tough time boxing and a boxer would have tough time in the ufc.Some boxers cross over but never do that good. I'm not sure if anyone from mma crossed over to boxing but either way it boils down to this "to each his own". ;)
Re: MAYWEATHER CONTINUES TO RAMBLE ABOUT MMA AND CHUCK LIDELL
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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
http://www.mmanews.com/ufc/Mayweathe...k-Liddell.html
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The following is an excerpt from an interview with Floyd Mayweather Jr. from DogHouseBoxing.com:
FLOYD MAYWEATHER: This fight is good for fighting. It’s not like the sport is going anywhere. Like I said before man, to be honest, you know, you’re going to see but a fad (UFC.) Anybody, like I said before, anybody could put a little tattoo on their head, put a little tattoo on the arm, plus the piercing and go out there and street fight. These fighters �" if they feel Chuck Ladell (ph) is so good, if Chuck Ladell (ph) weighed 207 pounds, I don’t know how much Chuck Ladell (ph) weighs, like I said before, if Chuck Ladell (ph), I think he weighs like 220 or something We should take Chuck Ladell (ph) and this is me, and we ain’t got to take the best heavyweight, we just need to take a good heavyweight and let Chuck Ladell (ph) fight a good heavyweight under Mayweather Promotions. And if Chuck Ladell (ph) beats him, I’ll give him $1 million out of my own pocket. And actually you’re going to see �" like I said, that stuff is nothing but a fad. Because most of them guys, they couldn’t make it in boxing, so they had to turn to something else. So they dig all of this different type of fighting come up.
If you’re real, we’re like layers (ph) from the past, we go from the shoulders. Why do you think the sport of boxing been here for hundreds and hundreds of years, and they try to do �" they try to get anything �" they try to do anything they can to, you know, to try to knock our sport. Boxing is the best sport in the world. Boxing is here to stay. And boxing is blood, sweat and tears.
mayweather is a douche...
also, im pretty sure that that greco roman S*** (which is pretty much what mma is) was around longer then boxing
that hasn't been proven...boxing is one of the oldest documented sporting events.....
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Wrestling is the OLDEST documented sport.
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first of all its not cross training let me try to explain this. A boxer in a fighting environment with rules outside what hes used to is not the same as a fish out of water. A boxer has a better chance of winning an mma match than an mma guy has of beating a boxer.
JT its good that you know how to take somebody down 16 different ways i hope it comes in handy for atleast 1 second of your life. Just because you can take somebody down doesn't me you can beat them. I've been taken down in fights before and proceeded to whoop the guys ass while i was on the ground. Infact at the time i was better off fighting on the ground because i had poor balance and couldnt throw a really good punch while i was standing up.
About the submissions: I never said they didn't hurt im sure someone wrenching on your joints causes some pain and most people are justified in submitting i just don't like it as a sporting aspect. These beliefs were not put into me by some governemnt conspiracy film or w/e you're suggesting thats just what i believe on the way i was brought up.
Re: MAYWEATHER CONTINUES TO RAMBLE ABOUT MMA AND CHUCK LIDELL
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Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Who cares whats been around longer. The fact is that MMA, as a legitamite sport/spectacle, has only been around for 14 years in North America, and has only been popular for the last 2 or 3. Boxing has survived hundreds of years. It's survived the great depression and other huge blows to the economy. MMA is a great, seperate sport, but it doesn't have the history that boxing has and as of yet has not proved that it has the longevity that boxing has. So for Mayweather to call it a fad...that's understandable. FOr him to say "MMA fighters are people who couldn't make it in boxing"... well I personally don't agree with this fully, but in a lot of cases thats true. You can still make, on average, a lot more money in boxing than you can in MMA.
The average MMA fan DOES NOT understand the art of MMA like the average boxing fan understands the art of boxing. I've been an MMA fan a lot longer than I've been a boxing fan, and after posting on MMA boards for the past 6 years I've seen this. Not saying that MMA fans are all stupid, not at all, I'm just saying on average the boxing fan is more educated about his sport than the MMA fan, and thats a fact.
MMA is still a spectacle IMO. It is geared towards showcasing as much violence as humanly possible. Don't believe me? Look at the rules. If the fighters are on the ground and there is not enough violence or blood, the ref will stand it up and move them out of that position. When was the last time you watched a boxing match and the ref told them "there's not enough action, I'm going to restart you guys in the corner". Guys will get their pay reduced (or at least used to, under Pride rules) if there wasn't enough "action". Sure, that makes it more exciting for the fans, but at the same time if your sport is only concerned with providing as much ACTION as possible, you're just cheapening the sport and attracting people that don't understand the fight game, but just want to get drunk and see someone get their head kicked in.
Sorry for ranting, just throwing a few thoughts out there.
Nice post man. Couldnt have said it better myself, as a boxing fan first and an MMA fan second. O0
Re: MAYWEATHER CONTINUES TO RAMBLE ABOUT MMA AND CHUCK LIDELL
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
A boxer has a better chance of winning an mma match than an mma guy has of beating a boxer.
Correction: this is known as a "puncher's chance", and it's synonymous with "slim chance". All things being equal, and the boxer is strictly a boxer, no. No chance in hell. Now if the said boxer understands sprawling and takedowns that wrestlers, jujitsu and MMA practitioners frequently use, their chances dramatically increase. The operative word being "if".
MMA's evolution was predicated on the stand-up vs. ground fighters. The "who's style's best" argument is a fallacious one. One doesn't win a game of chess by subscribing to the rules of checkers. Boxing is a fighting style, but by no means a be-all-end-all style of the broadly defined "combat sports". The smartest fighters can incorporate several aspects of the fight game, not just one tailor made to avoid offense to a social standard overwrought with rules and regulations so that it be deemed culturally acceptable. I guess that makes me just a "pussified street fight" fan.
Re: MAYWEATHER CONTINUES TO RAMBLE ABOUT MMA AND CHUCK LIDELL
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Originally Posted by JMK
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
A boxer has a better chance of winning an mma match than an mma guy has of beating a boxer.
Correction: this is known as a "puncher's chance", and it's synonymous with "slim chance". All things being equal, and the boxer is strictly a boxer, no. No chance in hell. Now if the said boxer understands sprawling and takedowns that wrestlers, jujitsu and MMA practitioners frequently use, their chances dramatically increase. The operative word being "if".
MMA's evolution was predicated on the stand-up vs. ground fighters. The "who's style's best" argument is a fallacious one. One doesn't win a game of chess by subscribing to the rules of checkers. Boxing is a fighting style, but by no means a be-all-end-all style of the broadly defined "combat sports". The smartest fighters can incorporate several aspects of the fight game,
not just one tailor made to avoid offense to a social standard overwrought with rules and regulations so that it be deemed culturally acceptable. I guess that makes me just a "pussified street fight" fan.
Oh so its more of a "the man was against this so it must be awesome" kinda thing.
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It's "awesome" on it's own accord, against the grain notwithstanding.
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a boxer would be superior to the mma guy standing up and the mma guy would have a slight advantage on the ground. the boxer may be uneducated in the ground things but he is still a fighter.
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MMA sucked and was completely one-sided throughout the 90's because of ideas like this. I'm right, you're wrong. I have ample proof, and needn't rely on police video.
Re: MAYWEATHER CONTINUES TO RAMBLE ABOUT MMA AND CHUCK LIDELL
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Originally Posted by JMK
MMA sucked and was completely one-sided throughout the 90's because of ideas like this. I'm right, you're wrong. I have ample proof, and needn't rely on police video.
whats different about it now? just because you can prove something doesn't mean its true. Given enough time and resources i could "prove" that you killed someone to the extent that the case would hold up in court. You have ample proof for YOU to feel confident about your viewpoint.
Re: MAYWEATHER CONTINUES TO RAMBLE ABOUT MMA AND CHUCK LIDELL
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
a boxer would be superior to the mma guy standing up and the mma guy would have a slight advantage on the ground. the boxer may be uneducated in the ground things but he is still a fighter.
I agree with a lot of what you're saying - except the "slight" advantage. Some of those guys have VERY solid backgrounds on the mat. The boxer might be a fighter, but that doesn't mean a whole lot when you're twisted up like a pretzel and can barely move.
But the flip side is true, too - without the proper training, neither fighter is going to do well in the other sport, in general.
