Warren offers Jermain Taylor $4 million for Calzaghe Super Fight...

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by Hairdoo

It would not surprise me in the least if JT excepted the offer!! ;D He fought BHop back to back and then Winky!! This kid is old school, he legitimately wants the big names. 8)

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Yep...so true...that's why he's not fought a legit middleweight other than Hopkins...& dare I say it...Joppy. ::**

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As I read your post this song played in my mind.

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I ain't no JT fan matter a fact I think the kids lost a step or two but you can't hack at him on his opposition. B-Hop & Winky back to back thats something there.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Something stinks like rotten fish.

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LOL

Like the shit house door on a tuna boat...

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Originally Posted by THE Bigragu

anybody but Kessler and it's bullsh*t!!!!!

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:coolclick: Big rag.

Totally agree.

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

Taylor should fight Miranda next. They both should ready to rumble around the same time. Although Miranda just fought Green and is now taking on Pavlik.

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Ha ha ha ha ha! I laugh with you BoxingG...not at you...because in all likelihood...we'll see Calzaghe Kessler before Taylor ever man ups to Miranda.

Both Dibella & Warren are protecting their meal tickets.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by Hairdoo

It would not surprise me in the least if JT excepted the offer!! ;D He fought BHop back to back and then Winky!! This kid is old school, he legitimately wants the big names. 8)

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Yep...so true...that's why he's not fought a legit middleweight other than Hopkins...& dare I say it...Joppy. ::**

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Ouma and Spinks might be a division or two high ;D but at least they are quality opposition. Lets not forget your boy Bernard's only name wins were against small guys too (excluding his last fight). Why fight the rest when you can fight the best ;)

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Originally Posted by Hairdoo

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by Hairdoo

It would not surprise me in the least if JT excepted the offer!! ;D He fought BHop back to back and then Winky!! This kid is old school, he legitimately wants the big names. 8)

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Yep...so true...that's why he's not fought a legit middleweight other than Hopkins...& dare I say it...Joppy. ::**

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Ouma and Spinks might be a division or two high ;D but at least they are quality opposition. Lets not forget your boy Bernard's only name wins were against small guys too (excluding his last fight). Why fight the rest when you can fight the best ;)

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Names?

That's the funny thing about Bernard's record...everyone always forgets that he fought middleweights too...they just latch on to Oscar & Tito. Remember...he was the legit middleweight champion...just because your bun's to tight don't make ya right...loosen up that Hairdoo so you can rationalize. ;) ;D :-*

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by THE Bigragu

anybody but Kessler and it's bullsh*t!!!!!

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:coolclick: Big rag.

Totally agree.

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

Taylor should fight Miranda next. They both should ready to rumble around the same time. Although Miranda just fought Green and is now taking on Pavlik.

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Ha ha ha ha ha! I laugh with you BoxingG...not at you...because in all likelihood...we'll see Calzaghe Kessler before Taylor ever man ups to Miranda.

Both Dibella & Warren are protecting their meal tickets.

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CC #2778 back at cha!!!:)

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by Hairdoo

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by Hairdoo

It would not surprise me in the least if JT excepted the offer!! ;D He fought BHop back to back and then Winky!! This kid is old school, he legitimately wants the big names. 8)

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Yep...so true...that's why he's not fought a legit middleweight other than Hopkins...& dare I say it...Joppy. ::**

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Ouma and Spinks might be a division or two high ;D but at least they are quality opposition. Lets not forget your boy Bernard's only name wins were against small guys too (excluding his last fight). Why fight the rest when you can fight the best ;)

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That's the funny thing about Bernard's record...everyone always forgets that he fought middleweights too...they just latch on to Oscar & Tito. Remember...he was the legit middleweight champion...just because your bun's to tight don't make ya right...loosen up that Hairdoo so you can rationalize. ;) ;D :-*

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Originally Posted by Hairdoo

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by Hairdoo

It would not surprise me in the least if JT excepted the offer!! ;D He fought BHop back to back and then Winky!! This kid is old school, he legitimately wants the big names. 8)

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Yep...so true...that's why he's not fought a legit middleweight other than Hopkins...& dare I say it...Joppy. ::**

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Ouma and Spinks might be a division or two high ;D but at least they are quality opposition. Lets not forget your boy Bernard's only name wins were against small guys too (excluding his last fight). Why fight the rest when you can fight the best ;)

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Names?

That's the funny thing about Bernard's record...everyone always forgets that he fought middleweights too...they just latch on to Oscar & Tito. Remember...he was the legit middleweight champion...just because your bun's to tight don't make ya right...loosen up that Hairdoo so you can rationalize. ;) ;D :-*

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Thought you'd like that. You know Wacko only kids.

That being said...

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

I ain't no JT fan matter a fact I think the kids lost a step or two but you can't hack at him on his opposition. B-Hop & Winky back to back thats something there.

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Totally disagree with you here.

The sad thing is...I really really was big up on Taylor. I got hooked on him the minute he hit ESPN2 & I was sold hook line & sinker. Then I started paying attention to the match making & when Dibella's hand fit snuggly up his ass & turned him into a puppet...I lost it.

Coming up Bernard fought something like 47 or 48 actual middles. I'd have to boxrec it to get an actual number...but the other handful were borderliner's & then you had Oscar & Tito & Tarver & the Mitchell loss at 175. There is where the huge difference lies between champion & Taylor. Sorry…but the men that Hops whooped were actual middles & they weren’t the walk overs that most fight fans claim they were.

The same can’t be said of Taylor. Do the math. He’s fought roughly 17 or 18 full fledged middles, the others were moving up from either 1 or 2 classes.

Granted fighting Hopkins & Wright speak bounds for Taylor...but he drew with Wright & the Hopkins win...well...that wasn't really what one would call a grandiose performance. I can give him the second match...but the first fight was not a win for Taylor...it shoudlv'e been a draw or Hopkins win...but that's just my opinion.

Heir apparent? Apparently that's still yet to be decided.

I can't see why Jermaine would take that money to go to the UK. They are both champions. Joe is the longer reigning champ, but Taylor is the champ in a more prestigious division. He also has (agree or disagree with the decisions, but they still count) wins over Winky and B-Hop. Joe keeps running his mouth about wanting Hopkins, but here is the guy who, at least in theory, beat him twice.

Joe is in no position to demand Taylor go to the UK for a middlin' sum of money. Joe should be willing to travel to the US for pennies (or pence) for the chance to fight Taylor, even if the fight is at 168 for the WBO belt. Calzaghe needs this fight more than Taylor. Taylor has quite a few other good fights for good money available to him without jumping over the Atlantic. Joe keeps talking about wanting to make a splash in America. Well, he better come here. Hopkins aint' gonna fight him in the UK, either. I would give him all the credit if he turned down Kessler to fight Taylor in Vegas or MSG. I couldn't knock him for that, even though personally I'd rather see him fight Kess.

At the end of the day, like Shza said before, this is just a b.s. Frank Warren ploy, so Joe can say "I tried to fight Jermaine, but he wanted too much and didn't want to come here." I wouldn't mind seeing this fight, but Jermain would have to be pretty stupid take only $4mil to fight Joe on his turf. Let Joe do the traveling if he wants this fight.

By the same logic, if Kessler really wants to to fight Calzaghe, he should be willing to leave Denmark to make it happen. If Warren offers Kessler 3 or 4 million (even 2 mil) to fight in Wales, and Kessler doesn't take it, Kessler should be take the heat.

What i want to know is why doesnt frank warren offer kessler 4million and a danish ref?

I'ma go out on a limb here and say jt actually accepts this offer, at which point however frankwarren will come up with some shit as to why the fight can not be made. People are hating on jermaine for having what people call 2 easy fights back to back, shit he can have 3 if he gives me 3 top names after that again. As shady as his wins were over hopkins and the draw against wright, the man stepped into the ring with 2 top pound for pound fighters not back to back, but 3 freaking times in a row, so he still has plenty of slack with me. As for joe kessler not happening, shit I blame both warren and palle, neither one of em really wants the fight to happen, they both just want the public to believe that the other guy is dodgin their respective guy. Fuck all if joes next fight isnt against a top name.

I took the second option: "Taylor? Please. What about Kessler?"

Let me get this straight; Joe wont fight Kessler in the fall, but will fight Taylor in the fall (September)??????? What is up with that? I am starting to think that maybe Joe doesnt want to fight Kessler. Why else fight Taylor? Dont tell me about this "big name to bring more attention to Joe" crap. That was what the Manfredo fight was for. It all stinks for me. What a load!!!! >:mad

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Originally Posted by shza

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

Does Frank think $4 mill. buys him the world or what?

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Probably...$4 mill's a chunk to most men.

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But not to Taylor. As the boxingtalk post for this states (as an "editor's note), JT gets this much $$ to fight IN AMERICA already. This "offer" is a Frank Warren sham that's just being made so that he and Joe's fans can have another top American fighter about whom they can say "Look, Joe wanted to fight the guy, he offered him a ton of money, but [American fighter--could be RJJ, B-Hop, or JT] didn't take it. So who's dodging whom?"

He should fight Kessler. But if FW actually made a meaningful offer to JT, and the fight did come through, JT would undoubtedly be the most-proven and best opponent Joe would have ever faced. I've never been very impressed with JT, but he's big and awkward enough that he at least kept it close with Winky (I gave it to Winky by a couple points), and IMO actually edged Hopkins the second time (not the first). And while I don't agree with the judges, he's still the only guy out there that had back-to-back-to-back "wins" over P4P top 3 fighters.

So Wacks, while I agree there are better fights, a JC victory over Taylor (assuming it wasn't a bullshit stoppage following a pitty-pat slap-barrage--a dangerous assumption to make, no doubt) would do more for me than any previous JC fight in terms of proving his talent to me. I just don't see anyone behaving as if it's equivalent to the Lacy fight, or claiming that it just shows Taylor was overrated or something. Seriously, if JC could actually do better than Winky or B-Hop against this guy, that would finally convince me that there's something to Calzaghe. He'd finally share a common opponent with proven top fighters--one that those other fighters were unable to dominate.

But I also think that if the fight did happen, it's likely that JC would break his hand by mid-fight and then lose. Seriously.

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CC. Agree with everything.

Warren's offer was a total joke, an offer that was meant to be turned down and then some of Calzaghe's fans could say look Taylor ducked him.

Even the second offer where they said it didn't have to happen two months after fighting Spinks was a garbage offer, Taylor can make that kind of money fighting jr. middles in his hometown.

It's clear that Calzaghe doesn't want to fight Kessler, but I believe it is more to do with money/prestige than fear. Taylor is a more skilled fighter than Kessler in my eyes, so if that fight is made, i'll be happy.

My conclusion is that no matter what Joe does he'll be criticised:

beats Kessler......................He was not that good
beats Taylor.......................He was above his natural weight and not quite as good as people made out
beats Hopkins.....................He was old and past his best

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

I picked the second option.

"Taylor? Please. What about Kessler?"

'Nuff said.

In the end...if Joe is injured & Kessler is injured...why try to make another fight?

Something stinks like rotten fish.

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Is Emma back ?? ;D ;D