Re: Paul Williams promises to bang with the Tijuana Tornado!
does anyone really truly feel Toney lives up to the publicity and hype that ARUM created for him? especially as of right this moment?
Re: Paul Williams promises to bang with the Tijuana Tornado!
I DO admit though,Tony looked HORRIBLE V cLOTTEY.(I'd say he was at 70%,he still won though)
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
He was about 16/17 when he fought Jones,with a limited amateur background.
Well P4P,if you think Clottey won the first,you neeed to go watch it again. Clottey always starts fast and gasses,Tony usually starts slow. Tony was injured too yet you didn't hear the rugged Tijuana native complaining "oh my wrist","oh my ankle". Clottey was outwilled.
He was 18 and had been pro for 2 years against Jones
With a limited amatuer career.Have you seen the fight? I haven't so I can't really comment.
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i think Paul Williams is the hungrier of the two to be honest at this point.
The basis for that statement is? Tony has been busting his balls and this is his first million plus payday with another in the waiting(winner of the Cotto Zab fight). I'm sure that'll make him hungry.
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plus toney looked awful against clottey for what ever reason. hes already looking on the decline IMO
Wrist injury,ankle injury,poor camp were all factors to take into account to.
i honestly dont see the same toney anymore for some reason?
I thought he looked really really sharp in sparring until the injury.I din't think they'll leave anything to chance this time.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
He was about 16/17 when he fought Jones,with a limited amateur background.
Well P4P,if you think Clottey won the first,you neeed to go watch it again. Clottey always starts fast and gasses,Tony usually starts slow. Tony was injured too yet you didn't hear the rugged Tijuana native complaining "oh my wrist","oh my ankle". Clottey was outwilled.
I just can't agree with you that he was "outwilled". I mean even you have to admit, he obviously did hurt his hand.. Sure Tony may have had injuries that he had been dealing with, but it's not as if he would have entered the fight if he was literally in pain on the day of.. And Clottey is perfectly capable of fighting 12 rounds, it's not as if he's a total front runner, he is just a better boxer than Tony.. You think he would have lost still if he didn't hurt the hand? I can't see it.
I don't see it any other way. PLenty of fighters have had broken hands,Floyd got pain in his spine in that fight he took a knee,yet he didn't whine about it,he got up and fought on. Clottey always gets gassed,did against Baldo,did at times v Chico,certainly did against Gutirrez and Tony. Tony always comes on strong. The fight was nearly cancelled when Tony twisted his ankle in sparring,thats how bad it was.
He is a better boxer, but his body is wide open all day long and TOny works the bod really well. Wacth the end of the 9th round where Tony sends him into the corner and bangs away.Clottey was getting worn out with Tony's shots which were not even fully powered.
I can't see how one can make the assumption that he DEFINITELY would have won had he not been injured.
Re: Paul Williams promises to bang with the Tijuana Tornado!
im not saying toney is a bum or garbage, far from it, i have mad respect/love for toney, but does anyone really feel he lives up to the hype/publicity and more so IMAGE of being the "boogie man" that ARUM so cleverly created?
Re: Paul Williams promises to bang with the Tijuana Tornado!
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does anyone really truly feel Toney lives up to the publicity and hype that ARUM created for him? especially as of right this moment?
No...but if he beats Williams...you definitely can't ignore him.
As for people mentioning that Margo has a limited am. background...so has Williams.It's not an excuse.
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
does anyone really truly feel Toney lives up to the publicity and hype that ARUM created for him? especially as of right this moment?
No...but if he beats Williams...you definitely can't ignore him.
As for people mentioning that Margo has a limited am. background...so has Williams.It's not an excuse.
i think its the other way around to be honest bro paul williams was chasing margarito more so than the other way around.
so when paul actually landed the fight will toney i was like whoa? didnt see that one coming hahaha
Re: Paul Williams promises to bang with the Tijuana Tornado!
now if toney fight cotto and gets passed him it would mean more to me, but i see cotto beating toney IMO!
Re: Paul Williams promises to bang with the Tijuana Tornado!
I think Williams and Margo both need this fight...Margo is just with a bigger promotional company.I'd like the winner to take on the winner of the Zab-Cotto fight...then that winner take on Mosley,Hatton,or Floyd.
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I think Williams and Margo both need this fight...Margo is just with a bigger promotional company.I'd like the winner to take on the winner of the Zab-Cotto fight...then that winner take on Mosley,Hatton,or Floyd.
i like what you are saying bro!
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Good fight. Williams is relentless. Still a little raw. Show good stamina though. If he can hold up to Tony's power, or constantly beat him to the punch, it will be very interesting.
Williams winning would mean more for his career. I want to see Tony win, and face the Zab-Cotto winner.
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I DO admit though,Tony looked HORRIBLE V cLOTTEY.(I'd say he was at 70%,he still won though)
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
He was about 16/17 when he fought Jones,with a limited amateur background.
Well P4P,if you think Clottey won the first,you neeed to go watch it again. Clottey always starts fast and gasses,Tony usually starts slow. Tony was injured too yet you didn't hear the rugged Tijuana native complaining "oh my wrist","oh my ankle". Clottey was outwilled.
He was 18 and had been pro for 2 years against Jones
With a limited amatuer career.Have you seen the fight? I haven't so I can't really comment.
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
i think Paul Williams is the hungrier of the two to be honest at this point.
The basis for that statement is? Tony has been busting his balls and this is his first million plus payday with another in the waiting(winner of the Cotto Zab fight). I'm sure that'll make him hungry.
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
plus toney looked awful against clottey for what ever reason. hes already looking on the decline IMO
Wrist injury,ankle injury,poor camp were all factors to take into account to.
i honestly dont see the same toney anymore for some reason?
I thought he looked really really sharp in sparring until the injury.I din't think they'll leave anything to chance this time.
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Originally Posted by p4pking
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
He was about 16/17 when he fought Jones,with a limited amateur background.
Well P4P,if you think Clottey won the first,you neeed to go watch it again. Clottey always starts fast and gasses,Tony usually starts slow. Tony was injured too yet you didn't hear the rugged Tijuana native complaining "oh my wrist","oh my ankle". Clottey was outwilled.
I just can't agree with you that he was "outwilled". I mean even you have to admit, he obviously did hurt his hand.. Sure Tony may have had injuries that he had been dealing with, but it's not as if he would have entered the fight if he was literally in pain on the day of.. And Clottey is perfectly capable of fighting 12 rounds, it's not as if he's a total front runner, he is just a better boxer than Tony.. You think he would have lost still if he didn't hurt the hand? I can't see it.
I don't see it any other way. PLenty of fighters have had broken hands,Floyd got pain in his spine in that fight he took a knee,yet he didn't whine about it,he got up and fought on. Clottey always gets gassed,did against Baldo,did at times v Chico,certainly did against Gutirrez and Tony. Tony always comes on strong. The fight was nearly cancelled when Tony twisted his ankle in sparring,thats how bad it was.
He is a better boxer, but his body is wide open all day long and TOny works the bod really well. Wacth the end of the 9th round where Tony sends him into the corner and bangs away.Clottey was getting worn out with Tony's shots which were not even fully powered.
I can't see how one can make the assumption that he DEFINITELY would have won had he not been injured.
Jones was a very awkward Southpaw
Re: Paul Williams promises to bang with the Tijuana Tornado!
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Originally Posted by Olympian904
I think Williams and Margo both need this fight...Margo is just with a bigger promotional company.I'd like the winner to take on the winner of the Zab-Cotto fight...then that winner take on Mosley,Hatton,or Floyd.
That is one of the best things you've said in 300 odd posts! ;D
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Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
Good fight. Williams is relentless. Still a little raw. Show good stamina though. If he can hold up to Tony's power, or constantly beat him to the punch, it will be very interesting.
Williams winning would mean more for his career. I want to see Tony win, and face the Zab-Cotto winner.
Good points.
Re: Paul Williams promises to bang with the Tijuana Tornado!
Let's hope they BOTH bring their A game and we the fans WILL be the winners in the end.
Can't wait. :D
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Let's hope they BOTH bring their A game and we the fans WILL be the winners in the end.
Can't wait. :D
SERIOUSLY man thats all i ask for!
Re: Paul Williams promises to bang with the Tijuana Tornado!
Margarito has a chance to silence all the haters against Paul Williams, for about 5 seconds. Then, the same Margarito haters will turn on Williams, saying he's not ready to fight Margarito, Arum set it up, tony's breath was bad and put him off etc. etc.
Re: Paul Williams promises to bang with the Tijuana Tornado!
How many times has a fighter said he did well in sparring with some guy, and then he gets demolished in the actual fight. Williams is a tall guy but comparing him to the great Thomas Hearns is ridiculous. He fights more like Michael Nunn without the legs. Tommy Hearns was a great fighter even when he was coming up. We knew he was something special then. Hearns would have beaten Margarito. Williams in my mind will not.
