Re: What if Tyson beat Williams....
I saw that julius it was good CC
Re: What if Tyson beat Williams....
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
Im a massive Tyson fan when he lost to a pug like Williams i could of cried but i put it down to his knee injurie i saw him wince in pain in round 1 but when he sat on canvas and looked miles away i knew that was it end of a great heavyweight champ and my childhood
That fight was the knee injury. Without a doubt. However, that fight ruined him mentally. Prior to that his greatness was over just like everyone says, and he was just good. But he could compete at the upper echelon and be competetive he lacked the desire to win at the top level.
But after that he's ruined and can't even beat below average fighters. McBride only won cause Tyson was mentally destroyed by that Williams fight. Plain and simple.
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
yup theirs no one like tyson, you guys seen that one show long ago.
it had sugar ray lenard mohammad ali and mike tyson.
ali said tyson was a true champ and is one of the greatest of all time. ali even said if they had fought prime vs prime if tyson caught him he'd be knock out. but ali insisted tyson would have to catch him first.
i saw it at youtube.com a few days ago.
they talk about reverse pyscology too, how ali was the godfather of mind games, and how tyson adopted it from ali but tyson came of as more aggressive and more of a beast. i think behind tyson crazy interviews his whole character that he put on, i always thought he was a great champ but was a trouble person. if he would of stayed focus on boxing without the b.s in his life, tyson would of continued to knock out oppenents. I don't think anyone could of stop him.
Disagree with that.
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
yup theirs no one like tyson, you guys seen that one show long ago.
it had sugar ray lenard mohammad ali and mike tyson.
ali said tyson was a true champ and is one of the greatest of all time. ali even said if they had fought prime vs prime if tyson caught him he'd be knock out. but ali insisted tyson would have to catch him first.
i saw it at youtube.com a few days ago.
they talk about reverse pyscology too, how ali was the godfather of mind games, and how tyson adopted it from ali but tyson came of as more aggressive and more of a beast. i think behind tyson crazy interviews his whole character that he put on, i always thought he was a great champ but was a trouble person. if he would of stayed focus on boxing without the b.s in his life, tyson would of continued to knock out oppenents. I don't think anyone could of stop him.
Disagree with that.
yea i'm sure a lot would disagree with me on that, but hey not all my oppinions are right. hehe
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Yes at one point motivation has something to do with it... but honestly his tools are gone, he has the good power now (not great) but you see everything coming now thats the diffrence combinations are rastically reduced and well his defense is not even 60 percent of what it once was, face it hes old some of you guys dont realize this, I guy the other day on youtube was talking how holyfield wasnt a great fighter cause he lost to james toney and that tyson would kill toney, of course he would in his prime both men would but tyson lost to kevin mcbride for godsake and danny williams for godssake, holyfield to larry donald and christ byrd! Face it they are old there skills are not 40 percent of wehat they once were
Re: What if Tyson beat Williams....
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
yup theirs no one like tyson, you guys seen that one show long ago.
it had sugar ray lenard mohammad ali and mike tyson.
ali said tyson was a true champ and is one of the greatest of all time. ali even said if they had fought prime vs prime if tyson caught him he'd be knock out. but ali insisted tyson would have to catch him first.
i saw it at youtube.com a few days ago.
they talk about reverse pyscology too, how ali was the godfather of mind games, and how tyson adopted it from ali but tyson came of as more aggressive and more of a beast. i think behind tyson crazy interviews his whole character that he put on, i always thought he was a great champ but was a trouble person. if he would of stayed focus on boxing without the b.s in his life, tyson would of continued to knock out oppenents. I don't think anyone could of stop him.
part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki4UKsI8bms
part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMfZ8...elated&search=
Re: What if Tyson beat Williams....
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Originally Posted by luvfightgame
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
Im a massive Tyson fan when he lost to a pug like Williams i could of cried but i put it down to his knee injurie i saw him wince in pain in round 1 but when he sat on canvas and looked miles away i knew that was it end of a great heavyweight champ and my childhood
That fight was the knee injury. Without a doubt. However, that fight ruined him mentally. Prior to that his greatness was over just like everyone says, and he was just good. But he could compete at the upper echelon and be competetive he lacked the desire to win at the top level.
But after that he's ruined and can't even beat below average fighters. McBride only won cause Tyson was mentally destroyed by that Williams fight. Plain and simple.
I don't think the Williams fight mentally destroyed him i think he realised in the McBride fight he was done he could no longer get up for fights he had been fighting just for the money for years had he not been robbed out of millions he would have retired after 2nd holyfield fight or somewhere near their its such a shame that someone who's earned over £500m ends up £22m in debt once Cus and Jimmy died people just swarmed him like vulchers people he trusted and loved ripped him off King,holloway,Horne and Givens
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
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Originally Posted by luvfightgame
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
Im a massive Tyson fan when he lost to a pug like Williams i could of cried but i put it down to his knee injurie i saw him wince in pain in round 1 but when he sat on canvas and looked miles away i knew that was it end of a great heavyweight champ and my childhood
That fight was the knee injury. Without a doubt. However, that fight ruined him mentally. Prior to that his greatness was over just like everyone says, and he was just good. But he could compete at the upper echelon and be competetive he lacked the desire to win at the top level.
But after that he's ruined and can't even beat below average fighters. McBride only won cause Tyson was mentally destroyed by that Williams fight. Plain and simple.
I don't think the Williams fight mentally destroyed him i think he realised in the McBride fight he was done he could no longer get up for fights he had been fighting just for the money for years had he not been robbed out of millions he would have retired after 2nd holyfield fight or somewhere near their its such a shame that someone who's earned over £500m ends up £22m in debt once Cus and Jimmy died people just swarmed him like vulchers people he trusted and loved ripped him off King,holloway,Horne and Givens
Thats all true as i said b4, prison, and don king have both played bog parts in destroying mike tysons life
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Re: What if Tyson beat Williams....
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
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Originally Posted by luvfightgame
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
Im a massive Tyson fan when he lost to a pug like Williams i could of cried but i put it down to his knee injurie i saw him wince in pain in round 1 but when he sat on canvas and looked miles away i knew that was it end of a great heavyweight champ and my childhood
That fight was the knee injury. Without a doubt. However, that fight ruined him mentally. Prior to that his greatness was over just like everyone says, and he was just good. But he could compete at the upper echelon and be competetive he lacked the desire to win at the top level.
But after that he's ruined and can't even beat below average fighters. McBride only won cause Tyson was mentally destroyed by that Williams fight. Plain and simple.
I don't think the Williams fight mentally destroyed him i think he realised in the McBride fight he was done he could no longer get up for fights he had been fighting just for the money for years had he not been robbed out of millions he would have retired after 2nd holyfield fight or somewhere near their its such a shame that someone who's earned over £500m ends up £22m in debt once Cus and Jimmy died people just swarmed him like vulchers people he trusted and loved ripped him off King,holloway,Horne and Givens
The reason I think the Williams fight destroyed him mentally is this.... He was killing Williams, seriously, beating him senseless, he hurts his knee, his body starts to go into shock and he loses all his strength. Williams survived the beating and wins by ko.
The knock on Tyson before that fight was if you get past the 3rd round Tyson will tire and you can win. Up till that point nobody had proven that theory. This fight it happens because of a severe knee injury, and all the media starts saying "see Tyson can't go past the 3rd round". That was all over the media, and I think Tyson already knew his heart wasn't in fighting anymore, but now he believes he can't make it past the 3rd round anymore. He gets in the ring with McBride and Tyson gives up. Prior to that fight Tyson never quit. He took severe beatings and still didn't quit. He could take a punch and has a hell of a chin. So obviously he wasn't hurt by Williams or McBride. He gave up.
I agree with King and all that mess destroying his career and personal life. You can see it happened as soon as Don King got involved.
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I agree with some of which you have all said, at one time I was a huge tyson fan still am but.. I seriously have doubts about Mike even a prime one, mentally i think he could unravel a bit had he have ever been challenged, once quit enters your mind it doesnt go away, i think atlas is kind of right in that tyson made what he refers to as silent contracts in their in his losses to lewis holyfield, he really didnt go for broke, what people tend to forget is tyosn was as good as he was forbecause of his defense being as good as his offense and in a tough fight his instinct is to become defensive to not take chances and absorb punishment to hit you when you cant hit him, in tought fights you cant always do that.
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In all honesty, I don't put much into the knee injury story from the Williams loss. Mike walked out of the fight fine like Williams said, then used it as an excuse. Yes, you can see him sort of hurt his knee in the fight, but it was not a HUGE deal. Mike threw everything he had at a very determined Williams, who survived it, then hurt Tyson, who was not nearly as up for the fight or determined as Williams and Mike essentially said "Fuk it" and quit. It is what it is.
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yo guys i was at YANKEE DOODLES this hot spot in santa monica promenade that night watching this fight and everyone in the sports bar was like WTF???????
i remember calling everyone up and telling them that tyson just got knocked out and everyone at the promenade was like stairing at me with their jaws dropped in shock.
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i also remember one of my boys just dropped the phone on me cuz he was in vegas and about to put $100 on williams just for the odds cuz it was a 9 to 1 under dog situation.
he was so pissed he just hung up the phone on me hahaha
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but yea if tyson beat danny i think he would of went on to beat some more journey men and build up his confidence and keep active and would probably land a title shot against one of the weaker abc belts. cuz vitali had the wbc at the time and would not of been good for this post prime tyson to take on a prime vitali.
