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Floyd is NOT a first ballot hall of famer he retires now. He beat Oscar 7-5 or 8-4 easily. Oscar made the fight but his aggression was not effective. Shane could beat him I think. Cotto could give him trouble. Him and Hatton would be interesting, depends on how the night goes, but him saying he has nothing left to prove is bogus. He still has plenty to prove.
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Originally Posted by ross_w
You come on here and question other peoples boxing knowledge, then say something that stupid... Your opinion means officialy 0 bud.
to reply to the last comment made...you saying my opinion means nothing shows just how small-minded you are. i have taken in all comments made on my post and responded respectfully and taken in what has been said. When you show me evidence of Mayweather doing anthing meaningful until the 10th round show me
For those who have seen my posts before, it is well known that I agree with most of what has been said about Floyd's competition over his career.
I'm not going to trash him for what he did against Oscar. He did what he needed to, and Oscar didn't. Was it easy, no. I personally thought it was 7-5 for Floyd. I think Oscar lost it in the last 3-4 rounds when he seemed to run out of gas and stopped being aggressive and using his jab. If the fight ends after nine, he wins...just like Trinidad and Mosley. Too bad for Oscar, if he could just fight the last three rounds of a championship fight he could have had a career worthy of an all-time great. As it is now, his fate is sealed. It's the same old story for Oscar. I really don't think it was a question of age either. He was in shape and ready. I can see cases for 8-4 and 6-6, but I think any more than that is really pushing it.
Is Floyd an all-time great? Well, six titles in five divisions is what most will remember as time goes by. Yes, a great accomplishment. I wish he would stick around and prove it against some more guys, there are some good ones out there, but I happen to believe him when he says he's done. I think Mosley and Williams would be massive tests for him at 147. But it goes against the Floyd model for success. Take a belt, as a rule don't bother with the other champions or unification, and just wait for everyone else to lose and proclaim yourself the best. If it's not going to be easy, just wait, why risk it?
Maybe his bout with Oscar will change that approach, but I doubt it. His speed and defense have never been in doubt, but some of his vulnerablities were exposed in that match. At times he looked overwhelmed by just a simple jab and an aggressive bigger man.
If by some miracle he does come back, I doubt that he'll even consider fighting anyone over 147 so that'll rule out some very good competition immediately. BTW, I don't blame him for that, he doesn't belong up there. Still, there are some good ones out there at 140 and 147, well within his current range. I hope he sticks around and show's us what he can do when he's out of his pure comfort zone and really tested. For me, he took a big step to being an all-time great against Oscar, a couple more and he just might convince me yet.
Oscar always had questionable stamina..
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Originally Posted by ross_w
So if he's not the best fighter pound for pound today than who is better? Floyd would obliterate Hatton. It would be reminiscent of what he did to Gatti, just might take a few more rounds. You said yourself he would whup up Margarito. I think back in the day at lightweight or welter Floyd and Mosley could have had a megafight that lived up to the hype but nowadays Mosley would come up short against him. FLOYD HAS NOTHING MORE TO PROVE. He is retiring because there is no one left to challenge him. Will he stay gone? Doubtful and then you can see him slap around some of the guys you mentioned and maybe some new tough up and comers. But dont hate because Floyd has fought everyone who has posed a decent challenge and has brought money to the table. The only one you can say he ducked was Margarito (who I think we both know he would beat on all night and Tony wouldnt touch him once) but he did that to get the Oscar fight.
And look at Golden Boy. He's considered a great champ but most of his victories were against legends that were fading and past their prime. And if you think he won the first nine rounds of that fight, you are the one who knows nothing about boxing, my friend. Oscar hit nothing but air in that fight. And he hit it so hard he got too tired to keep throwing his jab; his only punch that was getting anything done at all. Floyd clearly beat him. He didnt KILL him. But he clearly beat him, outworking and outlanding Oscar pretty much the entire fight.
Do I think this makes Mayweather an all time great? No. If anything I still think Oscar has a more impressive resume. But he is definitely the best in the game right now? I mean...who is better? Drop some names...
this is coming from a man who was sitting RINGSIIIIIIDE so trust the man he speaks the TRUTH!Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
How do you explain Leonard getting out muscled and outworked by the slower, smaller Duran? Or Hagler getting a hard fight from an old, battle worn Duran? I'm not saying Duran isn't a great fighter, but if they were truly all that he would have been toast.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross_w
Robinson old or not was fighting tough guys who were slow, and uncoordinated in Basilio, Turpin, Lamotta, Fullmer, etc. He got caught by absolutely retarded punche sometimes like slow leaping left hooks by the opponent that wouldn't have caught Mayweather in a million years.
All I am saying is
Pep had trouble with Sadler
Louis had trouble with Conn, Walcott, and a few other guys
Marciano had trouble with anyone who could box
Ali had trouble with people who had limited talent, but were tough.
Leonard... well he had trouble with other greats
Hagler had trouble with Leonard and Duran because he tried to box too much with guys who could box better than him.
Roy had trouble with age, and an unconvential Griffin
Floyd has had trouble with tough ass guys comming forward, but so have all the great boxers who as they've moved up were less powerful punchers, Robinson had that with Lamotta at middleweight, Leonard against Hagler or even Duran at his own weight, Pep vs. Saddler. Besides Sadler and Hagler these were guys who Leonard and Robinson should have easily beaten, but Robinson had a lot of trouble with Lamotta in more than just their first fight, and Leonard altered his style in his second fight and didn't even beat Duran as convincingly as Mayweather beat Castillo the second time, and yes I think Castillo would hold his own against the ATG's at lightweight, he would probably lose, but he would give them a hell of a battle.
I have to second P4P's comments. If you really think Mayweather did nothing until the 10th then you must be blind or dare I say it.....stupid? I hate to sound rude, but what about the 1st round? Did Mayweather not control much of that round? The 3rd seemed a round where Mayweather was busier too. And what about the 5th? Mayweather clearly won the 8th and all the rounds thereafter by my reckoning. :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by ross_w
that only happened rounds 10-12 otherwise floyd would have lost his 0Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
This happened waaaaaaaay before the 10th round folks...Quote:
Originally Posted by ross_w
Watch the fight again before posting bullish. Small-minded? Nope...hatish? ???Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
basically imo oscar made 1 comment, and it was the comment of the night. If oscar didnt throw punches there would of been NO fight, Period.
PBF might of won that fight, but oscar was right.
I agree with you that Floyd is definitely not the best fighter. I disagree that he would beat Margarito so easily. Especially after seeing how fast he ran from that fight. It's been a while since i've seen someone run and hide so quickly. I think Margarito's wing span could contain Floyd and let's face it, Floyd would never be hit harder than if he stepped into the ring with Antonio. I think he knows that too and that's why he ran from an $8 mil payday (highest in career before de la hoya) to $2 mil payday against Baldomir. The 2 best welterweights right now are Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito, both could beat Floyd. But we'll never see it because he'll never test himself. Good job on the post.
if anyone seriously thinks magarito would beat floyd think again oscar was much better opponent than magarito and floyd beat him ok not in the most convincing manor but he still got the job done floyd would elude tony all night and pick him off. the only person who i can see give floyd a test is mosley thats it. as for if floyd is an all time great he may not be in the top 10 but he isin't far off in my opinion if he does come back out of his retirement to fight SSM and beats him and say beat any other top contender i'd put him as an all time great.