Re: zab has more natural talent then mayweather
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Originally Posted by Taeth
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Originally Posted by artest2000
but he did not take advantage of it. mayweather seems to have got the most of his boxing skill. i mean he is a gym rat. if zab had the same mind set he would have been the better fighter.
If you compare p4p I disagree. At welterweight it was clearly true that Zab could hit harder, and was still as fast, but Mayweather at 130 or 135 was p4p as good of a puncher as Zab at 147, and almost as good as Zab 140, but faster of foot, and hand. Both Oscar who has fought Mosley, and Baldomir who already fought Zab were suprised by just how fast Mayweather really is. Against Zab Mayweather was punching more to land than to get steam behind his punches, and thats why they didn't look as quick that night.
Zab probably does have the more "physical" talent. But we will never know will we? Zab didn't take advantage of it when he was truly peaking, he's still in his quote unquote prime but this is his last chance
Re: zab has more natural talent then mayweather
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Originally Posted by artest2000
but he did not take advantage of it. mayweather seems to have got the most of his boxing skill. i mean he is a gym rat. if zab had the same mind set he would have been the better fighter.
um, nope.
Re: zab has more natural talent then mayweather
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Taeth
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Originally Posted by artest2000
but he did not take advantage of it. mayweather seems to have got the most of his boxing skill. i mean he is a gym rat. if zab had the same mind set he would have been the better fighter.
If you compare p4p I disagree. At welterweight it was clearly true that Zab could hit harder, and was still as fast, but Mayweather at 130 or 135 was p4p as good of a puncher as Zab at 147, and almost as good as Zab 140, but faster of foot, and hand. Both Oscar who has fought Mosley, and Baldomir who already fought Zab were suprised by just how fast Mayweather really is. Against Zab Mayweather was punching more to land than to get steam behind his punches, and thats why they didn't look as quick that night.
Zab probably does have the more "physical" talent. But we will never know will we? Zab didn't take advantage of it when he was truly peaking, he's still in his quote unquote prime but this is his last chance
I think they're pretty even p4p. Except Mayweather has a far better chin.
Re: zab has more natural talent then mayweather
Zab will go down in boxing history as one of the greatest wasted talents ever. He has not been the same since Tszyu rocked his world in 2001. He had one good win against Spinks and that's it since then, he is capable of anything and Cotto knows this, Mayweather is a better fighter than Zab and that must be conceded. This is Zab's last chance and like a wounded lion i expect him to perform knowing that it really is his last chance. He loses this fight and he won't get another shot for years or ever.
You need more than natural talent to win big fights sometimes and i wonder if Zab has anything other than that going for him.
Re: zab has more natural talent then mayweather
Zab is a case of coulda shoulda woulda doesn't
Soon that will change, I am confident.
He will be a case of coulda shoulda woulda didn't
The only way to prove the premise of the thread subject is to prove it: do the work, develop the mindset, and go from could, would should to does and did.
Without that proof from Judah, the only legit response is: Maybe so, maybe not, doesn't matter.
We waste so much time on what Judah coulda, mighta. Be nice if he did the same.
Re: zab has more natural talent then mayweather
Zab has million dollar skills and a ten cent brain
Re: zab has more natural talent then mayweather
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Zab has million dollar skills and a ten cent brain
Yep!
Re: zab has more natural talent then mayweather
Zab has good speed but overall he is only a "good" fighter. Not even very good...
Re: zab has more natural talent then mayweather
Zab @ his best is dynamic but he doesn't always show up!!!
Re: zab has more natural talent then mayweather
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Originally Posted by Taeth
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Taeth
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Originally Posted by artest2000
but he did not take advantage of it. mayweather seems to have got the most of his boxing skill. i mean he is a gym rat. if zab had the same mind set he would have been the better fighter.
If you compare p4p I disagree. At welterweight it was clearly true that Zab could hit harder, and was still as fast, but Mayweather at 130 or 135 was p4p as good of a puncher as Zab at 147, and almost as good as Zab 140, but faster of foot, and hand. Both Oscar who has fought Mosley, and Baldomir who already fought Zab were suprised by just how fast Mayweather really is. Against Zab Mayweather was punching more to land than to get steam behind his punches, and thats why they didn't look as quick that night.
Zab probably does have the more "physical" talent. But we will never know will we? Zab didn't take advantage of it when he was truly peaking, he's still in his quote unquote prime but this is his last chance
I think they're pretty even p4p. Except Mayweather has a far better chin.
how can you say his chin is better if it wasnt tested? nobody has hit mayweather flush yet.. and when they do.. then you could post that
Re: zab has more natural talent then mayweather
Zab caught Floyd good.....JLC hit him hard....De la Hoya landed some good shots.
You land flush on ANYONE and they'll go down.....being able to stand up to the good hard shots is good enough for me to say his chin is decent.
Zab wobbles anytime he gets hit....Baldomir rocked him!!!!!
Re: zab has more natural talent then mayweather
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Zab caught Floyd good.....JLC hit him hard....De la Hoya landed some good shots.
You land flush on ANYONE and they'll go down.....being able to stand up to the good hard shots is good enough for me to say his chin is decent.
Zab wobbles anytime he gets hit....Baldomir rocked him!!!!!
baldomir rocked him???i didnt see that one.. but if he did i dunno how much of that power really landed since every time anybody punches floyd they get the shoulder first..
and nobody said anything about judah having a good chin
Re: zab has more natural talent then mayweather
....check it out 1:36 into the clip Zab goes all rubbery in the legs from a shot by Carlos Baldomir
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Re: zab has more natural talent then mayweather
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Originally Posted by Lyle
....check it out 1:36 into the clip Zab goes all rubbery in the legs from a shot by Carlos Baldomir
[youtube=425,350]V4pYiYo_OrI[/youtube]
dude, i wasnt quoting against judah, i am replying to the post that says "mayweather has a better chin". youre replying to me all wrong man.
Re: zab has more natural talent then mayweather
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Originally Posted by artest2000
but he did not take advantage of it. mayweather seems to have got the most of his boxing skill. i mean he is a gym rat. if zab had the same mind set he would have been the better fighter.
how does he have more natural talent? Mayweather is not hit by punches which Zab is. Zab is not great fighter, he is a good talent who has a very weak chin.
