Re: Pacquiao vs Marquez II
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Barrera Vs. PacMan
by James McDonnell (November 11, 2003)
Saturday’s match up between featherweight king Marco Antonio Barrera and Manny Pacquiao is something of a festive treat as we approach the birth of the wee baby Jesus.
True warriors from two different weight divisions match up in what many expect to be an explosive fight, whoever wins.
For me, though this isn’t a no-brainer, I am a surprised by the number of people picking Pacquiao to win, most of them by knockout. There are many reasons why I don’t think Pacquiao can beat, let alone knock out, Barrera.
Barrera has never been knocked cold by anyone. Back in the bad old days, before he improved his technique, Barrera was bamboozled and battered by a supposedly shot Junior Jones. ‘Poison’ defeated Barrera back to back in fights, which exposed Barrera as a Mexican toughnut with plenty of desire and power, but not yet enough finesse.
Since then Barrera has gradually refined his technique apotheosis of which was the transformation into a classy counter puncher against Naseem Hamed in 2001. That fight more than any other is the reason that I cannot see Pacquiao punishing Barrera with his rugged style.
Now Pacquiao is technically a more proficient puncher than Hamed showed on that night, and the Filipino bomber fights with more consistent pressure, but in no way is he more powerful than the Prince. He does, however, turn his shots beautifully, and although he sometimes looks a little wild, this is deceptive, and he has fast hands for a banger, not to mention a punishing jab.
But does Pacquiao bring anything to the table that Barrera cannot deal with? In my opinion, no. Barrera has shown since the Jones fight, and more especially since the Hamed fight, that he can box at range when called for, and brawl on the inside and let his hands go when required.
The one fighter who has given Barrera more trouble than any other is Eric Morales, but Morales is a tall, long armed boxer-puncher, and as time progresses, Morales’ skills look better and better.
Pacquiao’s only chance to win, would appear to be to overwhelm Barrera, and swarm him with his power-punching style, but as the smaller man at 5foot-6 (with a 67-reach), to Barrera’s 5-foot-7 (with a 70- reach) he can only win from the outside, or by timing Barrera.
I simply cannot see him being able to counterpunch Barrera, whose timing and innate sense of range with his shots is close to perfection these days. In order to have success then, Manny needs to get inside of the jab of Barrera and work him to the body and switch his attack upstairs. The trouble with this is that Barrera has some of the best straight shots in the game, Manny will be walking right into the line of fire against a man who loves to let his hands go, and who is a great combination puncher.
Though Manny has possibly the greater single punch firepower, he will be taking heavy punishment to deliver those shots, as Barrera boxes adroitly off the back foot.
Manny has been stopped, too. His chin, unlike Barrera’s has been exposed earlier in his career, and by far less accomplished punchers than Marco. In this department, if it turns into a brawl, Barrera as the bigger man, with the better chin, tighter defense, faster hands, and better footwork, is surely going to be the one dishing out the punishment. If Barrera finds himself on the receiving end and opens up, he has the tools to take Manny apart.
I think that Manny would do well against anyone else campaigning at featherweight, but against Barrera, he’s in with by far the most complete man in the division, and whatever way the fight pans out, he loses. He has a puncher’s chance of course, every puncher does, but against a man like Barrera, that’s a chance slimmer than a snake’s hipsters.
Another huge factor in Barrera’s favour is his big fight experience, not to mention his extensive career. Barrera has been fighting professionally, like Manuel Medina, since 15 years of age, and has been campaigning at the top level since 1995, when he won his first title at super bantamweight. He is a veteran of 20 title fights, and has experienced victory and defeat at the highest level of the sport.
Manny, by comparison, has never faced anyone of Barrera’s class, although he has beaten some good fighters along the way, none of them were future hall of famer certainties like Marco. As the two men enter the ring, it is likely to be Manny who feels the pinch of self doubt, if anyone.
Barrera either boxes Manny’s ears of for a one-sided unanimous decision, or he breaks him down, and then takes him down, inside of eight rounds.
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PacHaters like this guy will swallow all his words. ;D
Pacquiao by KO.
Re: Pacquiao vs Marquez II
Re: Pacquiao vs Marquez II
Pac is the guy who has probably improved since the last time they met . If anything Marquez has got worse . He's slowed down and his reflexes arent as good as they were . His main problem though is that he stands his ground more . If he fights Pac like how he fought Barrera , I think he gets knocked out .
If he can still box for 12 rounds at pace then I belive he can win on points . I think he won the 1st fight but his lapse in concentration in the 1st cost him .
Marco Antonio Barrera vs Juan Manuel Marquez Is Back On ??
Re: Marco Antonio Barrera vs Juan Manuel Marquez Is Back On ??
They've been known to jump the gun alot .
What they have written there means absolutely nothing . If Barreras fighting Marquez we'd know about it
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Originally Posted by GAME
They've been known to jump the gun alot .
What they have written there means absolutely nothing . If Barreras fighting Marquez we'd know about it
I wana see rematch because i thought Barrera won personally.
Re: Marco Antonio Barrera vs Juan Manuel Marquez Is Back On ??
Where do they get their info anyways?
Re: Marco Antonio Barrera vs Juan Manuel Marquez Is Back On ??
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Where do they get their info anyways?
Haven't got a clue always wondered that.
Re: Marco Antonio Barrera vs Juan Manuel Marquez Is Back On ??
Boxrec is highly unrelaible,anyone ever seen their P4P lists? I woudn't rely on that firstly and secondly,I don't see the need for a rematch. MAB said that was his best camp ever along with 2 others but JMM won fairly easily imo. The only reason I thought it was close was because I had the absolutely nut hugging bordering on cock sucking commentary from Lampley and Steward. Example: JMM would land flush,and they would say MAB rolled it. I watched the fight without it and had JMM winning fairly comfortably. MAB started off well,then found he couldnt bang with JMM and towards the end,JMM took control. This is the one fight I have seen where guys from boxingtalk,maxboxing,doghouse alllllll agreed that JMM won comfortably. Thats rare. I'd rather in fatc much much rather see JMM v Manny.
Re: Marco Antonio Barrera vs Juan Manuel Marquez Is Back On ??
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Boxrec is highly unrelaible,anyone ever seen their P4P lists? I woudn't rely on that firstly and secondly,I don't see the need for a rematch. MAB said that was his best camp ever along with 2 others but JMM won fairly easily imo. The only reason I thought it was close was because I had the absolutely nut hugging bordering on cock sucking commentary from Lampley and Steward. Example: JMM would land flush,and they would say MAB rolled it. I watched the fight without it and had JMM winning fairly comfortably. MAB started off well,then found he couldnt bang with JMM and towards the end,JMM took control. This is the one fight I have seen where guys from boxingtalk,maxboxing,doghouse alllllll agreed that JMM won comfortably. Thats rare. I'd rather in fatc much much rather see JMM v Manny.
Well i disagree but whatever i won't start a debate but if JMM vs Pac can't happen straight away then Barrera vs Marquez 2 would be 2nd best prize for the fans.
Re: Marco Antonio Barrera vs Juan Manuel Marquez Is Back On ??
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Originally Posted by GAME
They've been known to jump the gun alot .
What they have written there means absolutely nothing . If Barreras fighting Marquez we'd know about it
I wana see rematch because i thought Barrera won personally.
Same here . Barrera threw and landed more punches and he scored the knockdown . JMM was the more marked up and I think Barrera outboxed the supposed better boxer , made him look failry plodding like Shane made Oscar look in their 1st fight
I think Barrera should have won but if they have a return whats to stop the same BS from happening again ?!
Re: Marco Antonio Barrera vs Juan Manuel Marquez Is Back On ??
JMM nearly had MAB stopped and the marked face means nothing. Jaca and Terdsak both busted JMMs face up,does that mean they were winning? And MAB landed more jabs,JMM landed more power shots. Emphasis in scoring is on hard punching.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
JMM nearly had MAB stopped and the marked face means nothing. Jaca and Terdsak both busted JMMs face up,does that mean they were winning? And MAB landed more jabs,JMM landed more power shots. Emphasis in scoring is on hard punching.
I said Barrera threw and landed more shots . Most of JMMs powerpunches were landed in the round he got floored himself . Also getting marked up more means you got the worst of it in most cases . Barrera emerged pretty unmarked as he did a good job of avoiding and blocking . Marquez though looked like he'd been hit by a bus .
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
JMM nearly had MAB stopped and the marked face means nothing. Jaca and Terdsak both busted JMMs face up,does that mean they were winning? And MAB landed more jabs,JMM landed more power shots. Emphasis in scoring is on hard punching.
I said Barrera threw and landed more shots . Most of JMMs powerpunches were landed in the round he got floored himself . Also getting marked up more means you got the worst of it in most cases . Barrera emerged pretty unmarked as he did a good job of avoiding and blocking . Marquez though looked like he'd been hit by a bus .
Yes exactly people always bring up Marquez landed more power shots but he had two massive rounds where he landed ton more power punches but other than that they were pretty even in power punches department.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
JMM nearly had MAB stopped and the marked face means nothing. Jaca and Terdsak both busted JMMs face up,does that mean they were winning? And MAB landed more jabs,JMM landed more power shots. Emphasis in scoring is on hard punching.
I said Barrera threw and landed more shots . Most of JMMs powerpunches were landed in the round he got floored himself . Also getting marked up more means you got the worst of it in most cases . Barrera emerged pretty unmarked as he did a good job of avoiding and blocking .
Marquez though looked like he'd been hit by a bus .
And like I said ??? ??? Just because you;re face is busted doesnt mean you didn't win. If thats the case,Manny mauled JMM,but we all know he didn't. And I can manipulate punch stats just as easily,MAB threw nearly all his jabs in the first half of the fight,and most of his activity came in sporadic rounds too.
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
JMM nearly had MAB stopped and the marked face means nothing. Jaca and Terdsak both busted JMMs face up,does that mean they were winning? And MAB landed more jabs,JMM landed more power shots. Emphasis in scoring is on hard punching.
I said Barrera threw and landed more shots . Most of JMMs powerpunches were landed in the round he got floored himself . Also getting marked up more means you got the worst of it in most cases . Barrera emerged pretty unmarked as he did a good job of avoiding and blocking . Marquez though looked like he'd been hit by a bus .
Yes exactly people always bring up Marquez landed more power shots but he had two massive rounds where he landed ton more power punches but other than that they were pretty even in power punches department.
JMM won....end of.He'd win a rematch too,MAB is not the fighter he once was. He knew he didn't have the potential to bang so he tried to box the master counter puncher and got beaten and nearly stopped.
