Re: Why Do People Think Tyson Is Unbeatable ??
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Holmes got HURT vs fighters he wasn't supposed to get hurt by none of those guys did that very often.
I don't consider Holmes near as good of a fighter as Ali....the jab was ok, his power, Eh....I mean who had an iron chin that he beat??? Tex Cobb??? There's no danger in Tex Cobb other than he'll take your power.
Louis beat A TON of fighters....25 title defenses vs anyone and everyone, Tyson's division was almost as weak and he couldn't even come close to that!
Marciano's style was awkward and despite of his lackluster technical skills he could land what he wanted to when he wanted to do it
Also just a clarification I said they would have a good chance vs Tyson....those guys were GREATS they'd have a good chance vs pretty much anyone
Yes Holmes made mistakes everyone does but he was fantastic boxer in his prime Ali had better speed and footwork than Holmes but stamina chin and power is about the same imo but i believe Holmes would have better chance than Rocky and Dempsey and even Louis because Louis was to flatfooted Rocky and Dempsey were to easy to hit and are also flatfooted i just don't see them beating Tyson in all honesty Lyle.
Its just a shame Holmes didn't have Ali's competition would of been great to have seen him in early 70s against the greats.
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anybody can win at any time, any fight.
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Lennox Lewis was flatfooted didn't bother him.
Ali never got dropped by the likes of Renaldo Snipes! When Ali got dropped he got dropped by the likes of JOE FRAZIER who's left hook would have killed most fighters.
Holmes is by all means underrated all-time but I think he was a lot more flawed than Ali and I think Frazier and Foreman would have ate him from lunch
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Lennox Lewis was flatfooted didn't bother him.
Ali never got dropped by the likes of Renaldo Snipes! When Ali got dropped he got dropped by the likes of JOE FRAZIER who's left hook would have killed most fighters.
Holmes is by all means underrated all-time but I think he was a lot more flawed than Ali and I think Frazier and Foreman would have ate him from lunch
Ali did get knocked down by Cooper and Jones though :) sorry i might be mistaken im not sure if Jones decked him but you say Holmes got decked by Snipes but that was only flash kd Holmes got up and gave him butt whooping where as Ali struggled with sd over Jones and was almost koed by Cooper.
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Holmes was knocked down by Kevin Isaac....what's your point?
Re: Why Do People Think Tyson Is Unbeatable ??
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Holmes was knocked down by Kevin Isaac....what's your point?
Lol come on Lyle that was his 7th pro fight i have never seen the fight but its totally different to a almost prime Ali getting decked by Cooper and only just winning sd over Doug Jones to a Holmes who only had 6 pro fights at that time.
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...Holmes only won an SD over Ken Norton, if Larry had better power than Ali then he should have KO'd Kenny or at least knocked him down
I respect Holmes as a great fighter but I personally was never impressed with his skill....he won a lot but I was never impressed and I thought had he been in the "Ali Era" he'd have had his ass handed to him on a regular basis
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Same could be said for Ali who lost twice to Norton imo i think Holmes had alot of skill but nvm i can't change your mind cc for the debate anyways i always enjoy a debate with you because we don't result to name calling just a good old fashioned boxing debate and thats what i like wish more members were like you in the debating department.
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True that brother, cc back
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Anyone who thinks prime Tyson was unbeatable or the greatest heavyweight ever obviously never watched prime Ali.
Mike Tyson does not even deserve to mentioned in the same sentence as Muhammad Ali.
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I'd pick prime Tyson over Shavers, Lyle, Norton and I'd give him a decent shot against Frazier (not saying he was a better fighter than Frazier, but his speed/power would probably be a tough pill for Frazier to swallor).
I don't believe there is much of a middle ground with prime Tyson. It seems that either guys are grossly overrating him or grossly underrating him.
He was a magnificent puncher and had the physical tools to beat anyone on any given night, but not by any means unbeatable. Buster Douglas proved that, and even if you believe Tyson was underprepared for that bout (which he probably was), journeyman James Tillis gave him an incredibly tough fight which I felt was VERY close, which he was in his prime
Re: Why Do People Think Tyson Is Unbeatable ??
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Anyone who thinks prime Tyson was unbeatable or the greatest heavyweight ever obviously never watched prime Ali.
Mike Tyson does not even deserve to mentioned in the same sentence as Muhammad Ali.
Mike Tyson captured the imagination of the boxing fan at a time when it was greatly needed, Tyson put asses in seats and was one of the most exciting fighters in history, nobody can take that away from him.
Re: Why Do People Think Tyson Is Unbeatable ??
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Anyone who thinks prime Tyson was unbeatable or the greatest heavyweight ever obviously never watched prime Ali.
Mike Tyson does not even deserve to mentioned in the same sentence as Muhammad Ali.
Mike Tyson captured the imagination of the boxing fan at a time when it was greatly needed, Tyson put asses in seats and was one of the most exciting fighters in history, nobody can take that away from him.
OK..... but that doesn't make him unbeatable, and that's what the title of the thread is about.
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Anyone who thinks prime Tyson was unbeatable or the greatest heavyweight ever obviously never watched prime Ali.
Mike Tyson does not even deserve to mentioned in the same sentence as Muhammad Ali.
Mike Tyson captured the imagination of the boxing fan at a time when it was greatly needed, Tyson put asses in seats and was one of the most exciting fighters in history, nobody can take that away from him.
OK..... but that doesn't make him unbeatable, and that's what the title of the thread is about.
nobody is unbeatable.. not even Ali as you would have it. .. to stay unbeatable you need one hell of a match maker on your side , lots of smoke and plenty of mirrors.
