Re: Hatton v Tszyu: Not as impressive as it sounds.
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Originally Posted by dasamm
Ok, obviously this will upset a lot of Hatton fans, but it's not like eagle is hating..he brings up legitimate points. Not that anything can change but that's what forum's are for, debate right?
To add to eagle's points...
KT was also battling a chronic shoulder injury AND when he was considering a comeback not long ago he mentioned that he felt he lacked some of his previous fire before he fought Hatton.
I always feel that Hatton was at his absolute best that night..maybe at an apex he will never reach again. And he needed to be at his best against a Tszyu that obviously didn't have all the pieces fitting perfectly in place. Still, most fighters never have everything "perfect" when they fight.
That was a great fight, let's not forget how close it was! I think KT would've pummeled hatton out in Austrailia or the US..I remember that cheer Hatton got when he bashed KT in the balls..the brits went crazy...they loved it! How often do you hear such applause for an illegal blow?
You see everything you have said there shows me that you haven't seen a great deal of Ricky hatton fights. Hatton was not awesome on that night. He was effective and disciplined with the game plan he and billy graham set. I have seen him box ten times better than that. It was Kostya's mentality that let him down and that has nothing to do with age. He let hatton turn it into a macho contest and that took Kostya away from his game. Simple as.
Re: Hatton v Tszyu: Not as impressive as it sounds.
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Originally Posted by eagle
I think too many Hatton fans act as tho Ricky's win over KT was one of the all time great wins, but take a look into it further and it looks a whole lot less impressive.
Ricky was fighting a 36 year old Kostya who was probably in his prime aroun 1999.
Kostya fought Ricky in his own backyard.
Kostya fought against Ricky with a british ref who undoubtedly officiated in favor of hatton.
Kostya had fought 3 times in 4 years before that.
Now ask these questions.
Would Ricky have beaten 1999 in Sydney with an all aussie crowd with an aussie ref who bent the rules in kostyas favor?
The answer is no.
Now Rickys next big fight is against another aging warrior in Castillo.
This will be a more impressive win if he does it, yet still he has not fought a top champion in their prime...
Will Ricky's fans claim a victory against Castillo as another all time great win? Its not.
Last question, when Ricky is 36, had maybe a dozen defenses of his title, has not fought regularly, and is way past his prime, will he go to Australia, with an Australian ref and fight an up and coming aussie champ in their prime.
Not in a million years.
I agree with you have CC#33 on me fella al that holding and spoiling by Ricky should'nt have been allowed
Re: Hatton v Tszyu: Not as impressive as it sounds.
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Originally Posted by eagle
Now ask these questions.
Would Ricky have beaten 1999 in Sydney with an all aussie crowd with an aussie ref who bent the rules in kostyas favor?
It depends if you mean if A) Ricky was a 20 year old (back in '99) or B) your speaking about fantasy match up's?
A) No way
B) Who knows? Seriously, Who konws? No one gave Ricky a chance last time and he proved 80% of the boxing world wrong. Whos to say he couldn't raise his game against a better version of Tszyu?
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Originally Posted by eagle
Now Rickys next big fight is against another aging warrior in Castillo.
This will be a more impressive win if he does it, yet still he has not fought a top champion in their prime...
Will Ricky's fans claim a victory against Castillo as another all time great win? Its not.
I have to agree with you there... Castillo was the best possible option for a fight but im not sold on Castillo as a 140'er.
I dunno, i just have this feeling that Ricky is gonna have things his way all night. Not worries like.
A win wouldn't do that much for him IMO but it would just be nice to see Ricky do his thing aginst a like-minded fighter... And an extremely capable one at that.
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Originally Posted by eagle
Last question, when Ricky is 36, had maybe a dozen defenses of his title, has not fought regularly, and is way past his prime, will he go to Australia, with an Australian ref and fight an up and coming aussie champ in their prime.
Not in a million years.
Thats your opinion. Fair enough. Sounds like a bad case of delayed sour grapes though if you ask me. :-\
To be honest I doubt Ricky will get that far (to 36) anyway.
Its very rare for swarming pressure fighters to sustain a long successfull carrer. These days its a well known and accepted fact too.
Re: Hatton v Tszyu: Not as impressive as it sounds.
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Originally Posted by Snakey
Righto brits settle down, settle down guys ok. Go have a cup of tea and some nice scones and come back ok. If anyone knows these arguments....I DO! Cmon i think i hold the record around here for most arguments about this fight? Am i right, all the old school members will tell you that. Hatton won, good on him, fights been over for years....so kostya fans just let it go. I had alot of built up anger about the whole fight coz imo the ref was F****** dodgy as an english prostitute ;D And if you guys wanna hate me for thinking that then look bring it on, i have found a post where even memphis states parris and vann were dodgy in a couple of fights or something like that so dont act like im a conspiracy theorist. Problem with hatton lovers is...they think all credit should go to hatton, i agree to a degree but you gotta watch this fight objectively which i have recently. Hatton won and was winning on the score cards for sure, but damn man there was some dodgy F****** S*** in that fight. Yeah kostya low blowed him a couple of times....but watch it closely, where do those shots hit? They hit on the top of hattons trunks where im assuming his belly button would be. Kostya was warned, fair enough. But i do remember reading the rules regarding a INTENTIONAL LOW BLOW, the one by hatton. That is a MANDATORY 2 points or a DQ. And there was only a warning for that. Ok guys now dont start ripping into me, im not the same old snakey...im objective now, back to the way i was before that fight happened...the way i was when i first joined. I hold no grudges over this fight, this is one of many different views i have. I no longer just focus on kostya tszyu and this fight. So go ahead and sad click me if ya want, i understand. And by the way, hattons gonna beat castillo i reckon, ko most probably i think.
Castillo has never been koed in his career and i doubt Hatton will be the first to do it.
Re: Hatton v Tszyu: Not as impressive as it sounds.
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Snakey
Righto brits settle down, settle down guys ok. Go have a cup of tea and some nice scones and come back ok. If anyone knows these arguments....I DO! Cmon i think i hold the record around here for most arguments about this fight? Am i right, all the old school members will tell you that. Hatton won, good on him, fights been over for years....so kostya fans just let it go. I had alot of built up anger about the whole fight coz imo the ref was F****** dodgy as an english prostitute ;D And if you guys wanna hate me for thinking that then look bring it on, i have found a post where even memphis states parris and vann were dodgy in a couple of fights or something like that so dont act like im a conspiracy theorist. Problem with hatton lovers is...they think all credit should go to hatton, i agree to a degree but you gotta watch this fight objectively which i have recently. Hatton won and was winning on the score cards for sure, but damn man there was some dodgy F****** S*** in that fight. Yeah kostya low blowed him a couple of times....but watch it closely, where do those shots hit? They hit on the top of hattons trunks where im assuming his belly button would be. Kostya was warned, fair enough. But i do remember reading the rules regarding a INTENTIONAL LOW BLOW, the one by hatton. That is a MANDATORY 2 points or a DQ. And there was only a warning for that. Ok guys now dont start ripping into me, im not the same old snakey...im objective now, back to the way i was before that fight happened...the way i was when i first joined. I hold no grudges over this fight, this is one of many different views i have. I no longer just focus on kostya tszyu and this fight. So go ahead and sad click me if ya want, i understand. And by the way, hattons gonna beat castillo i reckon, ko most probably i think.
Castillo has never been koed in his career and i doubt Hatton will be the first to do it.
Castillo has been stopped 5 times Ice
Re: Hatton v Tszyu: Not as impressive as it sounds.
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Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Snakey
Righto brits settle down, settle down guys ok. Go have a cup of tea and some nice scones and come back ok. If anyone knows these arguments....I DO! Cmon i think i hold the record around here for most arguments about this fight? Am i right, all the old school members will tell you that. Hatton won, good on him, fights been over for years....so kostya fans just let it go. I had alot of built up anger about the whole fight coz imo the ref was F****** dodgy as an english prostitute ;D And if you guys wanna hate me for thinking that then look bring it on, i have found a post where even memphis states parris and vann were dodgy in a couple of fights or something like that so dont act like im a conspiracy theorist. Problem with hatton lovers is...they think all credit should go to hatton, i agree to a degree but you gotta watch this fight objectively which i have recently. Hatton won and was winning on the score cards for sure, but damn man there was some dodgy F****** S*** in that fight. Yeah kostya low blowed him a couple of times....but watch it closely, where do those shots hit? They hit on the top of hattons trunks where im assuming his belly button would be. Kostya was warned, fair enough. But i do remember reading the rules regarding a INTENTIONAL LOW BLOW, the one by hatton. That is a MANDATORY 2 points or a DQ. And there was only a warning for that. Ok guys now dont start ripping into me, im not the same old snakey...im objective now, back to the way i was before that fight happened...the way i was when i first joined. I hold no grudges over this fight, this is one of many different views i have. I no longer just focus on kostya tszyu and this fight. So go ahead and sad click me if ya want, i understand. And by the way, hattons gonna beat castillo i reckon, ko most probably i think.
Castillo has never been koed in his career and i doubt Hatton will be the first to do it.
Castillo has been stopped 5 times Ice
Thats cuts or stoppage from barrage of punches he has never tasted the canvas and has never been koed.
Re: Hatton v Tszyu: Not as impressive as it sounds.
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Originally Posted by Snakey
Righto brits settle down, settle down guys ok. Go have a cup of tea and some nice scones and come back ok. If anyone knows these arguments....I DO! Cmon i think i hold the record around here for most arguments about this fight? Am i right, all the old school members will tell you that. Hatton won, good on him, fights been over for years....so kostya fans just let it go. I had alot of built up anger about the whole fight coz imo the ref was fuckin dodgy as an english prostitute ;D And if you guys wanna hate me for thinking that then look bring it on, i have found a post where even memphis states parris and vann were dodgy in a couple of fights or something like that so dont act like im a conspiracy theorist. Problem with hatton lovers is...they think all credit should go to hatton, i agree to a degree but you gotta watch this fight objectively which i have recently. Hatton won and was winning on the score cards for sure, but damn man there was some dodgy fuckin shit in that fight. Yeah kostya low blowed him a couple of times....but watch it closely, where do those shots hit? They hit on the top of hattons trunks where im assuming his belly button would be. Kostya was warned, fair enough. But i do remember reading the rules regarding a INTENTIONAL LOW BLOW, the one by hatton. That is a MANDATORY 2 points or a DQ. And there was only a warning for that. Ok guys now dont start ripping into me, im not the same old snakey...im objective now, back to the way i was before that fight happened...the way i was when i first joined. I hold no grudges over this fight, this is one of many different views i have. I no longer just focus on kostya tszyu and this fight. So go ahead and sad click me if ya want, i understand. And by the way, hattons gonna beat castillo i reckon, ko most probably i think.
CC where have you been?
Re: Hatton v Tszyu: Not as impressive as it sounds.
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Snakey
Righto brits settle down, settle down guys ok. Go have a cup of tea and some nice scones and come back ok. If anyone knows these arguments....I DO! Cmon i think i hold the record around here for most arguments about this fight? Am i right, all the old school members will tell you that. Hatton won, good on him, fights been over for years....so kostya fans just let it go. I had alot of built up anger about the whole fight coz imo the ref was F****** dodgy as an english prostitute ;D And if you guys wanna hate me for thinking that then look bring it on, i have found a post where even memphis states parris and vann were dodgy in a couple of fights or something like that so dont act like im a conspiracy theorist. Problem with hatton lovers is...they think all credit should go to hatton, i agree to a degree but you gotta watch this fight objectively which i have recently. Hatton won and was winning on the score cards for sure, but damn man there was some dodgy F****** S*** in that fight. Yeah kostya low blowed him a couple of times....but watch it closely, where do those shots hit? They hit on the top of hattons trunks where im assuming his belly button would be. Kostya was warned, fair enough. But i do remember reading the rules regarding a INTENTIONAL LOW BLOW, the one by hatton. That is a MANDATORY 2 points or a DQ. And there was only a warning for that. Ok guys now dont start ripping into me, im not the same old snakey...im objective now, back to the way i was before that fight happened...the way i was when i first joined. I hold no grudges over this fight, this is one of many different views i have. I no longer just focus on kostya tszyu and this fight. So go ahead and sad click me if ya want, i understand. And by the way, hattons gonna beat castillo i reckon, ko most probably i think.
Castillo has never been koed in his career and i doubt Hatton will be the first to do it.
Castillo has been stopped 5 times Ice
Thats cuts or stoppage from barrage of punches he has never tasted the canvas and has never been koed.
I get ya now Fella you mean never failed the 10 count
Re: Hatton v Tszyu: Not as impressive as it sounds.
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Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Snakey
Righto brits settle down, settle down guys ok. Go have a cup of tea and some nice scones and come back ok. If anyone knows these arguments....I DO! Cmon i think i hold the record around here for most arguments about this fight? Am i right, all the old school members will tell you that. Hatton won, good on him, fights been over for years....so kostya fans just let it go. I had alot of built up anger about the whole fight coz imo the ref was F****** dodgy as an english prostitute ;D And if you guys wanna hate me for thinking that then look bring it on, i have found a post where even memphis states parris and vann were dodgy in a couple of fights or something like that so dont act like im a conspiracy theorist. Problem with hatton lovers is...they think all credit should go to hatton, i agree to a degree but you gotta watch this fight objectively which i have recently. Hatton won and was winning on the score cards for sure, but damn man there was some dodgy F****** S*** in that fight. Yeah kostya low blowed him a couple of times....but watch it closely, where do those shots hit? They hit on the top of hattons trunks where im assuming his belly button would be. Kostya was warned, fair enough. But i do remember reading the rules regarding a INTENTIONAL LOW BLOW, the one by hatton. That is a MANDATORY 2 points or a DQ. And there was only a warning for that. Ok guys now dont start ripping into me, im not the same old snakey...im objective now, back to the way i was before that fight happened...the way i was when i first joined. I hold no grudges over this fight, this is one of many different views i have. I no longer just focus on kostya tszyu and this fight. So go ahead and sad click me if ya want, i understand. And by the way, hattons gonna beat castillo i reckon, ko most probably i think.
Castillo has never been koed in his career and i doubt Hatton will be the first to do it.
Castillo has been stopped 5 times Ice
Thats cuts or stoppage from barrage of punches he has never tasted the canvas and has never been koed.
I get ya now Fella you mean never failed the 10 count
Corrales had him out on his feet in one fight, but all the rest were ref stoppages (cuts, etc.)
Re: Hatton v Tszyu: Not as impressive as it sounds.
i agree with this point about hatton. all the mentions of the favoritism towards hatton were true ! personally i think it is outragous that he got away with such a blatant low blow.... he may have well just kicked him in the nuts it was so bad and hard. and i think that KT has probably retired because of that shot, and has probably suffered damages, no MAN, no pro athlete should be rewarded for that type of nonsense! KT couldnt even finish the fight and who in a million years would have guessed that KT would have retired during the fight?!?!?!
and i havnt seen a good hatton from that night on... squeaked by collazo too, and thats why he moved down to fight smaller older guys.
this is something of a trend in boxing now, i hate it . u cant simply fight journey men and claim to be the best!! its a similar point to PBF's fight with DLH. we all use boxrec here , go looka t PBF's career and tell me u think hes fought the best in the divisions to prove a shot against oscar. NOPE, ....i dont care if floyd retires cuz i think it will be a blessing for fight fans enuf of this over rated self hyping self proclaiming legend in there lifetime status its all bull shizle !!
if u want to be great, fight great, fight great fighters, and prove dominance in your divisions, fighters are always trying to rise to new levels to challenge the best. prove that it isnt a fluke or whatever. that u are the best and one more, two more macthes wont make the diff. think about lamotta robinson, ali frazier, gatti ward, pryior arguello. u cant be afraid to lose your title, this is the stuff legends are made of and how the will be recognized and remembered in history. think about this for a minute, toney hopkins and rjj all within a few pounds of each other and what did we see, 1 fight. no rjj feels he needs to prove sometihng against tarver and boom hes not the best huh all that running wont win u fights and certainly wont win you legend status. i mean roy is one of the greatest, but fight for sh!ts sake against the best competitiors. all 3 of them should have fought each other at least twice. where have all the good fights gone?
so bak to hatton cuz i dont want yall call me a hater of fatton. i was on the wagon up to the KT match. but after the wrestling and low blow i lost all respect for fatton, and hes not gained a bit more with his recent fights, ill never support him after that shot to be honest it was a disgrace and he should have been made an example of. fined, suspended or a point or 2 taken in that fight! jesus man they might as well been fighting in the street like Rocky 5.
ummm, and another point who the heck has ricky really fought? !! hes fought one fight a yr since KT and proved nothing except hes afraid of fighting real contenders. oooh im 42 - 0 and a legend but havnt fought anyone of real consequence. and the only one that was i cheated! dont tell me ben takie is a meaningful mark either.
like who do i think he should be facing or should have been ??? D Hopkins, Lazcano, Zab, Cotto , Margarito, .... PBF , one fight a yr isnt going to cut it. u get older and your drive and motivation go down... so ... no wonder hes sitting back at 140, theres no one to fight!!!
HATE IF U WILL BUT THAT FIGHT WAS UNFAIR to be celebrating it.....
Re: Hatton v Tszyu: Not as impressive as it sounds.
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by boozeboxer
Piss on all of you for engaging in the most cliched outdated and useless argument since Valuev is better than Marciano (or whatever the Hell Landmine950 had).
How is it useless?
Because if you haven't gotten every point of view about this fight YET, you obviously are a very slow witted chap. Hell a week doesn't go by and it is talked about.......and the fight was a long time ago.
Re: Hatton v Tszyu: Not as impressive as it sounds.
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Originally Posted by boozeboxer
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by boozeboxer
Piss on all of you for engaging in the most cliched outdated and useless argument since Valuev is better than Marciano (or whatever the Hell Landmine950 had).
How is it useless?
Because if you haven't gotten every point of view about this fight YET, you obviously are a very slow witted chap. Hell a week doesn't go by and it is talked about.......and the fight was a long time ago.
A Hatton lover would say that. Imagine if th result was reversed.... You'd be in my position and i'd be in yours.
Re: Hatton v Tszyu: Not as impressive as it sounds.
Actually I don't think so. I do love Hatton. But I loved KT too. It was a hard fight for me.
