I don't think SSR would school Marciano because of his size over him and power.
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I don't think SSR would school Marciano because of his size over him and power.
....oh so in this case size doesn't matter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Samson3000
You never add anything to the conversation you just try to pick on Rocky Marciano.....were you raped by an Italian or something?
Now come on people i wanted some answers not bashing the boxers.
Well, what about Jimmy Wilde versus Sonny Liston?
Maxim never wore him out the 110 degree weather did. Shit they even changed refs do to heat exposure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
#1 You mean "Maxim never wore him out" and #2 It ain't exactly like Maxim had an A/C unit strapped to his backQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitMarciano never wore him out the 110 degree weather did. Shit they even changed refs do to heat exposure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
Yeah I corrected it. I just got up.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong#1 You mean "Maxim never wore him out" and #2 It ain't exactly like Maxim had an A/C unit strapped to his backQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitMarciano never wore him out the 110 degree weather did. Shit they even changed refs do to heat exposure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
Rocky would have battered SRR into submission.
I don’t think he batters Ray at all and would probably think he was fighting a crowd. The speed difference would be out of this world. Marciano was 5 11 with a 67 inch reach. Robinson was 5 11 with a 73 inch reach. I’m not convinced Marciano would be able to lay a glove on him. Greb beat Tunney arguably twice along with several contending heavyweights. Greb was not a big middleweight. Ketchel was giving Johnson all he could handle and was outweighed by about 40 pounds. And what of Langford? He made a living out of fighting guys twice his size.
If a smaller more agile guy was going to beat Rocky wouldn't Ezzard Charles have done it? Plus Gene Tunney was a light heavyweight and he beat Greb and Ketchel & Johnson had a deal to go X number of rounds because of film rights or some such nonsense at the time. When Ketchel blasted Johnson and Johnson got back up, Ketchel got decked and eventually woke back up minus a few teeth so let's not get carried away hereQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Who's getting carried away. I simply said that Marciano beating Ray is not a forgone conclusion. Charles did pound him splitting his nose in two and Ray was leaner and faster then Charles. That film right claim is bogus. Greb fought Tunney 5 times and the point about Ketchel was to show that much smaller men fought much larger men all the time and especially in the original 8. P4p actually meant something in those days. Whats getting carried away is the suggestion that Robinson would not have a chance when the exact same thing involving other fighters has played out numerous times over history and ftr Marciano was no bigger then TunneyQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIf a smaller more agile guy was going to beat Rocky wouldn't Ezzard Charles have done it? Plus Gene Tunney was a light heavyweight and he beat Greb and Ketchel & Johnson had a deal to go X number of rounds because of film rights or some such nonsense at the time. When Ketchel blasted Johnson and Johnson got back up, Ketchel got decked and eventually woke back up minus a few teeth so let's not get carried away hereQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Carmen Basilio beat Ray Robinson and narrowly lost to him as well....would that not add support to the "Marciano would demolish Robinson" argument?
Pender beat Robinson and so did Turpin. Lamotta beat him the first time they fought. These fights have little or nothing to do with a Marciano match-up
It is true if Ezzard Charles could not do it SRR could not either. It is simple genetics. SRR struggled at light heavy, he is naturally smaller. He would not be able to take Rocky;s punches for too long.
They have plenty to do with it because Basillio was small for a middleweight and he out hustled and out muscled the bigger stronger Robinson....granted Gene Fullmer was felled by SRR and he was more of a bruiser, but Rocky was bigger & stronger and punched a hell of a lot harder 49 wins 43 KO's 100% of them at heavyweight. Now if we said Spinks vs Rokcy or Bob Foster or Dick Tiger or Holyfield or Qawi or Bert Cooper then it's on more even terms for a matchup with Rocky, but Robinson?!?!? COME ON MAN!Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit