Re: Who are the top Heavyweight contenders that never got to be champion
Re: Who are the top Heavyweight contenders that never got to be champion
Max Schmeling,James J. Braddock, PrimoCarnera This are not contenders they have all been champions and the original question was that who was the bes that never got the championship.
Re: Who are the top Heavyweight contenders that never got to be champion
Harry Wills read about this guy. Couldn't get a fight with Dempsey because of the colour line heard him mentioned quite alot when Dempsey gets brought up. Fought Sam Langford wait for it 22 times yes not a misprint 22 times and won 6 lost 2 by ko and 14 no contests. Crazy.
Re: Who are the top Heavyweight contenders that never got to be champion
When people say no contest does that mean that it is a draw basically
Re: Who are the top Heavyweight contenders that never got to be champion
Not sure mate in those days it was like 20 round fights and they had different rules.
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are you joking or are serious when you say James toney is a top heavyweight contender.
Course he is ..
He could have and should have been the champ.. He beat ruiz but fwocked himself over by failing a frug test.. When everyone knows he could have beat him anyway..
Got an undeserved draw against rahman.. The judges obv didnt take into account it was toney's fight because toney knew he had more chance by using the ropes to counter and fight his fight instead of making it hard for himself in the middle of the ring.. Thats what we call ring smarts and that made him deserve more then he got
He Stopped holyfield..Only stopped once before and never again since hes been around..
Tremendous skill in that fight
Beaten some named contenders..
Deserved the win against peter in the first fight and so should have gotten his third title shot.. Where i say he beats maskaev..And Hes a middleweight fighting at heavyweight at 40 plus years of age ..Never been stopped Only ever been dropped legitimately 16 years ago that one time..
Give the man his dues..Pffttt Joking!
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Really had me going there for a while until i read your last words
Re: Who are the top Heavyweight contenders that never got to be champion
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Originally Posted by Mr140
Really had me going there for a while until i read your last words
No..I wasnt joking..Iwas pfftting at the fact you thought i was joking..
Re: Who are the top Heavyweight contenders that never got to be champion
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Originally Posted by Mr140
are you joking or are serious when you say James toney is a top heavyweight contender.
Course he is ..
He could have and should have been the champ.. He beat ruiz but fwocked himself over by failing a frug test.. When everyone knows he could have beat him anyway..
Got an undeserved draw against rahman.. The judges obv didnt take into account it was toney's fight because toney knew he had more chance by using the ropes to counter and fight his fight instead of making it hard for himself in the middle of the ring.. Thats what we call ring smarts and that made him deserve more then he got
He Stopped holyfield..Only stopped once before and never again since hes been around..
Tremendous skill in that fight
Beaten some named contenders..
Deserved the win against peter in the first fight and so should have gotten his third title shot.. Where i say he beats maskaev..And Hes a middleweight fighting at heavyweight at 40 plus years of age ..Never been stopped Only ever been dropped legitimately 16 years ago that one time..
Give the man his dues..Pffttt Joking!
CC, I agree completely. I cannot stand James Toney and the way he runs his fool mouth, but there is no denying his tremendous skill, chin, etc. Imagine what he could've done (or possibly still do) if he had been in shape in those fights.
Re: Who are the top Heavyweight contenders that never got to be champion
Re: Who are the top Heavyweight contenders that never got to be champion
Chuvalo and Bonavena come to mind.
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Originally Posted by Mr140
When people say no contest does that mean that it is a draw basically
No, boxing at the time was not strictly legitimate. Any sort of formal decision was illegal so the wins and losses were all stoppages (not always KOs, sometimes though injury or simply tiredness).
In those days, newspaper reporters published who they thought 'won' on points - although there was no points system in place - and the bookies paid out according to the newspaper decisions. The records still formally show all those as No Contests though.
Re: Who are the top Heavyweight contenders that never got to be champion
:) A brit comes to mind if only he had the heart of a fighter, he did all right against ALI and FRAZIER,he had the build, and the stamina, and the chin to take a punch, yes its JOE BUGNER ;)
Re: Who are the top Heavyweight contenders that never got to be champion
Re: Who are the top Heavyweight contenders that never got to be champion
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:) A brit comes to mind if only he had the heart of a fighter, he did all right against ALI and FRAZIER,he had the build, and the stamina, and the chin to take a punch, yes its JOE BUGNER ;)
What puzzles me about Bugner is that he gives Frazier and Ali run for there moeny but loses to bloody Jack Boddell or however you spell his name he was terrible i just don't get boxing sometimes.
