Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

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Originally Posted by Fire

since this is a thread filled with unbelievers go to wlad the impalor thread and dispute some of my points their...

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you're getting a bit annoying with this.

"unbelievers" I just said he was the best out there. JTRock said he was the kingpin of the division, nobody's saying he's a bad fighter.

We don't have to like the guy. You're a big fan, good for you.

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I totally agree with you Oumafan we have all said he is best in this era but doesn't mean we have to think he would beat anyone from any era.

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the guys i was talking w/ yestarday was saying he wasnt going to beat brewster.. much less the best of this era

i didnt say i thought he is the best of any era... i said he would be very competitive...

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

APPRECIATION

Congrats Big guy :appl: you have earned my respect and avenged the biggest blemish on your career despite a broken finger that requires an arm cast. you certainly proved me wrong you have made great strides mentally and Technically and are undoubtedly the king pin at Heavy for Now, depending how Sam Peter has improved and your brothers comeback go's....


HATING

Although you are the best Heavy and regained your legitamacy.. I still cant embrace you as a fan, I cant even think of you with the likes of Louis, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes,Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis . There is something missing about you, I think its your tentativeness and propensity to not hold your ground and clinch at the 1st sign a fighter comes alive. you appear to be a bundle of nerves and lack the killer instinct in the ring and I think you have a soft ticker and I dont think of that when I think of a good-great Heavyweight. I feel you are not even 1/2 of the warrior as your prodessors were and that is sad for the tradition rich Heavyweight division :-\

Last nite was one of the boringest Heavyweight Fights I have ever seen, Brewster didnt want to fight and lacked heart and interest, you could have demolished him easily but where content on just jabbing, jabbing, jabbing, jabbing, pawing, pawing, jab. :cwm33: it works for you and thats good I guess, but dosent motivate me to get anymore interested in the Heavyweight division

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Good post JT CC in 24. .it’s hard to embrace a guy that does not risk anything. Just like Lewis before him, great fighters, but not exciting style. Stays in his range, ties up on the inside , boring,. take a guy like Riddick Bowe, Tall fighter, but was willing to fight on the inside and did well , keep a good offense going . Inside fighting is where the excitement truly begins

They all hate Wlad but will bet (real money)on him 9 out of ten times or won't bet at all.

Hey, he throws more than Lennox does, and he actually puts steam on his jab which Lennox hardly ever did. I love Lennox, but I am just saying that the heavyweights of the past have been great as much because of their flaws as because of their strengths. If Ali had the defensive skills of Mayweather we would have never heard about Frazier after Ali would have beaten him the first time. If Foreman didn't tire, and if he had better boxing skills he would have been top of the world while Frazier, and Ali would have slipped into his shadow. Every fighter had their flaws. I don't think Wlad could fight at Ali's pace because he doesn't have Ali's chin, and also being as muscular and ginormous as he is it takes a lot more energy for him to move.

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Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS

They all hate Wlad but will bet (real money)on him 9 out of ten times or won't bet at all.

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Its because they have even less confidence in his opponents which is plausible considering the division.

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Originally Posted by Lords Gym

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

APPRECIATION

Congrats Big guy :appl: you have earned my respect and avenged the biggest blemish on your career despite a broken finger that requires an arm cast. you certainly proved me wrong you have made great strides mentally and Technically and are undoubtedly the king pin at Heavy for Now, depending how Sam Peter has improved and your brothers comeback go's....


HATING

Although you are the best Heavy and regained your legitamacy.. I still cant embrace you as a fan, I cant even think of you with the likes of Louis, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes,Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis . There is something missing about you, I think its your tentativeness and propensity to not hold your ground and clinch at the 1st sign a fighter comes alive. you appear to be a bundle of nerves and lack the killer instinct in the ring and I think you have a soft ticker and I dont think of that when I think of a good-great Heavyweight. I feel you are not even 1/2 of the warrior as your prodessors were and that is sad for the tradition rich Heavyweight division :-\

Last nite was one of the boringest Heavyweight Fights I have ever seen, Brewster didnt want to fight and lacked heart and interest, you could have demolished him easily but where content on just jabbing, jabbing, jabbing, jabbing, pawing, pawing, jab. :cwm33: it works for you and thats good I guess, but dosent motivate me to get anymore interested in the Heavyweight division

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Good post JT CC in 24. .it’s hard to embrace a guy that does not risk anything. Just like Lewis before him, great fighters, but not exciting style. Stays in his range, ties up on the inside , boring,. take a guy like Riddick Bowe, Tall fighter, but was willing to fight on the inside and did well , keep a good offense going . Inside fighting is where the excitement truly begins

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Thanks :coolclick: #884 for you my friend....always enjoy your input ;)

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Originally Posted by Taeth

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Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS

They all hate Wlad but will bet (real money)on him 9 out of ten times or won't bet at all.

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Its because they have even less confidence in his opponents which is plausible considering the division.

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:coolclick: #207 Corretomundo dude, you nailed it right on the head  ;)

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Hey, he throws more than Lennox does, and he actually puts steam on his jab which Lennox hardly ever did. I love Lennox, but I am just saying that the heavyweights of the past have been great as much because of their flaws as because of their strengths. If Ali had the defensive skills of Mayweather we would have never heard about Frazier after Ali would have beaten him the first time. If Foreman didn't tire, and if he had better boxing skills he would have been top of the world while Frazier, and Ali would have slipped into his shadow. Every fighter had their flaws. I don't think Wlad could fight at Ali's pace because he doesn't have Ali's chin, and also being as muscular and ginormous as he is it takes a lot more energy for him to move.

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cc taeth great points

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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather+Mosley

he'll fade away..because Vitaly is coming back this nov..and he's the real champion...

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Sorry JonesJrMayweather, now JT Rock is absolutely right and I find amusing how he and Punisher agree on this one, with your statement I can't agree with... Since you seem to be a wise, senseful and pretty neutral fan, man, let me ask ya... How come Vitaly sticks that left lead and leans his head back as he does so? Then combines the jab with a fast right but discharges the power and leaves the right hand there ( even vs Kirk Johnson)??? The guy is so damn tentative and cautious that if he didn't have power he wouldn't be better than Henry Akinwande... The real Champ that quitter ( vs Byrd, never fought Rahman), get outa here!!!

They said the same shit about Lennox Lewis and all I can say is FUCK ALL Y'ALL BITCHES

Last nite was one of the boringest Heavyweight Fights I have ever seen, Brewster didnt want to fight and lacked heart and interest, you could have demolished him easily but where content on

Brewster was in the same boat as Oliver McCall in his rematch with Lennox Lewis he just didn't cry before giving up but Brewster like McCall knew he was going to the mat before it was over so he gave up.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

They said the same shit about Lennox Lewis and all I can say is FUCK ALL Y'ALL BITCHES

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Lewis needed other guys to sell tickets, his style was boring... smart fighter in the ring no question , but boring, Lewis needed the Holyfield, and Tyson’s to sell the seats. Lewis could have been more exciting fighter and was before Manny , Steward seems to neuter his prospects.. Lewis Klitchko Taylor, Cintron, all have the starch taking out of them.. much better and exciting before Steward came into the picture in my opinion

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Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS

They all hate Wlad but will bet (real money)on him 9 out of ten times or won't bet at all.

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I don't understand you at all you come on here praise up Wlad and when anyone disagrees with anything about Wlad you call them haters when everyone on this thread has said he is best of this era i mean what more do you want ?? because i've noticed in quite a few threads you call people haters truth is he has good skills weak chin suspect stamina he is best of a bad bunch and that is it really.

Fools!...


We all know that it is James Toney's Divison 8) :D

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Originally Posted by Lyle

They said the same S*** about Lennox Lewis and all I can say is F*** ALL Y'ALL BITCHES

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Fuk me huh? Gee Lyle I'll remember that when you are spewing bullshit about Mayweather ::**