Re: Hatton : Mayweather must make light-welter to fight me
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Originally Posted by CFH
I'm a bigger fan of Hatton than I am of PBF, but it certainly looks like Hatton is scared of going up to 147 again. I'd love to see this fight, though it doesn't look too promising right now. It doesn't really matter what weight they fight at anyways, Hatton is taylor-made for PBF, and Floyd stops Hatton and makes it look easy at any weight.
Why not 140 then? I have heard so many PBF fans stating he has fought beyond his natural weight to show how great he is. Does anyone really think 140 would be hard for Floyd?
Re: Hatton : Mayweather must make light-welter to fight me
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Originally Posted by CFH
I'm a bigger fan of Hatton than I am of PBF, but it certainly looks like Hatton is scared of going up to 147 again. I'd love to see this fight, though it doesn't look too promising right now. It doesn't really matter what weight they fight at anyways, Hatton is taylor-made for PBF, and Floyd stops Hatton and makes it look easy at any weight.
Why not 140 then? I have heard so many PBF fans stating he has fought beyond his natural weight to show how great he is. Does anyone really think 140 would be hard for Floyd?
I certainly do think Floyd could make 140 but why should he dance to the challengers tune?
If a lion is eating a zebra carcass a Hyena nearby can be as loud an aggressive as it likes...............providing it keeps at a safe distance.
It can win a 'moral' victory over the lion with taunts and shreaks and the lion is unlikely to bother to get up and chase it.
If the Hyena is foolish enough to actually advance on the lion however and take the meat then the lion will kill it and quickly.
Re: Hatton : Mayweather must make light-welter to fight me
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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I have to disagree a little in that Hatton with his ability to close the gap, and fight the exact fight that gives Mayweather problems means he is a more dangerous fighter to face Mayweather than Vargas(who can't get down to 154), Mayorga(who I doubt can get down to it anymore), Ouma(who isn't good enough), Karmazin(who isn't wellk known). I think Hatton also gives Mayweather more troubles than Margarito.
I think the hardest fight for him is Spinks, but Spinks would have had to win the 160, and come back down for that to happen. I felt he beat Taylor, but he didn't on the scorecards.
Disagree here with the points in bold. Hatton is not the type of fighter who can give Floyd problems at this point, in fact, he's the exact antithesis of the type of fighter who can beat Floyd. Hatton is short, with short arms, and no jab. This is the type of fighter that can be picked apart by a fighter like Floyd.
It's been proven over and over again that the weapon that neutralizes a great speed/defense fighter like Floyd is a long authorative jab. Hatton doesn't have the ability or the body type to beat a Mayweather-type fighter.
It's a complete mismatch imo.
Re: Hatton : Mayweather must make light-welter to fight me
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I have to disagree a little in that Hatton with his ability to close the gap, and fight the exact fight that gives Mayweather problems means he is a more dangerous fighter to face Mayweather than Vargas(who can't get down to 154), Mayorga(who I doubt can get down to it anymore), Ouma(who isn't good enough), Karmazin(who isn't wellk known). I think Hatton also gives Mayweather more troubles than Margarito.
I think the hardest fight for him is Spinks, but Spinks would have had to win the 160, and come back down for that to happen. I felt he beat Taylor, but he didn't on the scorecards.
Disagree here with the points in bold. Hatton is not the type of fighter who can give Floyd problems at this point, in fact, he's the exact antithesis of the type of fighter who can beat Floyd. Hatton is short, with short arms, and no jab. This is the type of fighter that can be picked apart by a fighter like Floyd.
It's been proven over and over again that the weapon that neutralizes a great speed/defense fighter like Floyd is a long authorative jab. Hatton doesn't have the ability or the body type to beat a Mayweather-type fighter.
:coolclick: I agree completely I think Floyd would destroy Hatton, it wouldn't even be a fight. For me big strong guys like Margarito, Williams and even Cintron would present a far bigger challenge to Floyd as he'd stuggle to get close enough to do damage and then get away.
Hatton with his stubby little arms wouldn't even get close to landing in a 100 rounds let alone 12.
It's a complete mismatch imo.
That could very well be the case. And again for the record I see PBF puttin it on Hatton if this fight were to happen. But we do have to consider that this is still a business. And protected or not, This is A guy that has strung together 43 consecutive wins & 0 losses. IMO it's a hard argument to win that he doesn't deserve the shot. It also doesn't hurt that he has a whole damn country buying tickets to watch him fight.
As far as the Gatti-Hatton comparison IMO it's a bit unfair. Gatti's fanbase was big. But not close to Hatton's. Gatti had also already established a pattern of losing when he stepped to the top echelon guys. Hatton had IMO only had 2 cracks at top echelon guys, Kostya & Castillo. Although in hindsight it seems that both of their better days were behind them, he was succesful when he got the chance. It was the opposite for Gatti.
If we are just talikng about who may be able to take PBF out. IMO Mosely & Cotto would have the best chances of that. But it is a business & like it or not this fight makes sense & is good for boxing.
For people to suggest that Cintron & Williams should be fighting PBF before Hatton. Well IMO that's just waayyy off at this point.
Re: Hatton : Mayweather must make light-welter to fight me
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Originally Posted by silent assassin
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I have to disagree a little in that Hatton with his ability to close the gap, and fight the exact fight that gives Mayweather problems means he is a more dangerous fighter to face Mayweather than Vargas(who can't get down to 154), Mayorga(who I doubt can get down to it anymore), Ouma(who isn't good enough), Karmazin(who isn't wellk known). I think Hatton also gives Mayweather more troubles than Margarito.
I think the hardest fight for him is Spinks, but Spinks would have had to win the 160, and come back down for that to happen. I felt he beat Taylor, but he didn't on the scorecards.
Disagree here with the points in bold. Hatton is not the type of fighter who can give Floyd problems at this point, in fact, he's the exact antithesis of the type of fighter who can beat Floyd. Hatton is short, with short arms, and no jab. This is the type of fighter that can be picked apart by a fighter like Floyd.
It's been proven over and over again that the weapon that neutralizes a great speed/defense fighter like Floyd is a long authorative jab. Hatton doesn't have the ability or the body type to beat a Mayweather-type fighter.
:coolclick: I agree completely I think Floyd would destroy Hatton, it wouldn't even be a fight. For me big strong guys like Margarito, Williams and even Cintron would present a far bigger challenge to Floyd as he'd stuggle to get close enough to do damage and then get away.
Hatton with his stubby little arms wouldn't even get close to landing in a 100 rounds let alone 12.
It's a complete mismatch imo.
That could very well be the case. And again for the record I see PBF puttin it on Hatton if this fight were to happen. But we do have to consider that this is still a business. And protected or not, This is A guy that has strung together 43 consecutive wins & 0 losses. IMO it's a hard argument to win that he doesn't deserve the shot. It also doesn't hurt that he has a whole damn country buying tickets to watch him fight.
As far as the Gatti-Hatton comparison IMO it's a bit unfair. Gatti's fanbase was big. But not close to Hatton's. Gatti had also already established a pattern of losing when he stepped to the top echelon guys. Hatton had IMO only had 2 cracks at top echelon guys, Kostya & Castillo. Although in hindsight it seems that both of their better days were behind them, he was succesful when he got the chance. It was the opposite for Gatti.
If we are just talikng about who may be able to take PBF out. IMO Mosely & Cotto would have the best chances of that. But it is a business & like it or not this fight makes sense & is good for boxing.
For people to suggest that Cintron & Williams should be fighting PBF before Hatton. Well IMO that's just waayyy off at this point.
:coolclick: A good post and I agree with you. I wasn't saying that Floyd shouldn't fight Ricky, on the contrary it would be a huge a fight. My point is that as champion it's not for Floyd to do all the hoop jumping to make this fight happen. Hatton needs Floyd not the other way around.
For Floyd right now commercially the biggest fights have to be a battle with Cotto or a rematch with Oscar. In terms of proving his legacy I'd say a fight with Mosely or even a move up to 160 would be better than fighting Hatton
I agree Hatton deserves a shot more than Williams and Cintron but I still think they would give Floyd a much tougher challenge than Hatton could.
Can you even imagine Hatton fighting Williams or Cintron? He'd get battered.
Re: Hatton : Mayweather must make light-welter to fight me
Two things I think Mayweather can't, won't do.
Make 140 lbs. and fight southpaws.
Re: Hatton : Mayweather must make light-welter to fight me
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Originally Posted by CFH
I'm a bigger fan of Hatton than I am of PBF, but it certainly looks like Hatton is scared of going up to 147 again. I'd love to see this fight, though it doesn't look too promising right now. It doesn't really matter what weight they fight at anyways, Hatton is taylor-made for PBF, and Floyd stops Hatton and makes it look easy at any weight.
Why not 140 then? I have heard so many PBF fans stating he has fought beyond his natural weight to show how great he is. Does anyone really think 140 would be hard for Floyd?
I certainly do think Floyd could make 140 but why should he dance to the challengers tune?
If a lion is eating a zebra carcass a Hyena nearby can be as loud an aggressive as it likes...............providing it keeps at a safe distance.
It can win a 'moral' victory over the lion with taunts and shreaks and the lion is unlikely to bother to get up and chase it.
If the Hyena is foolish enough to actually advance on the lion however and take the meat then the lion will kill it and quickly.
Thanks Bilbo. I know what you mean mate but I reckon Floyd wants this fight too.
Re: Hatton : Mayweather must make light-welter to fight me
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Originally Posted by CFH
I'm a bigger fan of Hatton than I am of PBF, but it certainly looks like Hatton is scared of going up to 147 again. I'd love to see this fight, though it doesn't look too promising right now. It doesn't really matter what weight they fight at anyways, Hatton is taylor-made for PBF, and Floyd stops Hatton and makes it look easy at any weight.
Why not 140 then? I have heard so many PBF fans stating he has fought beyond his natural weight to show how great he is. Does anyone really think 140 would be hard for Floyd?
I think the most competitive fight would occur at 140 and there's no reason Floyd couldn't make the weight, other than the inherant dangers of losing too much muscle too quickly. Floyd often (aside from the Oscar fight) seems to want to dictate the terms of his fights trying to give himself some advantages and he'd have more experience and confidence at 147, which is where's he'll probably demand the fight take place.
He's the P4P #1 and Hatton called him out, that gives him the upper hand in laying out the terms for this fight.
Re: Hatton : Mayweather must make light-welter to fight me
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Originally Posted by ghoster
Two things I think Mayweather can't, won't do.
Make 140 lbs. and fight southpaws.
He has fought southpaws
Re: Hatton : Mayweather must make light-welter to fight me
This is crap on hattons part, and didn't his trainer just state they would go up to welterweight for this fight to happen! I mean if he wants this fight so baddly he should move up to welterweight, its making it look like hatton's scarred of pbf, and I don't want to believe that, but it's looking like its the truth. Like everyone else said hatton needs pbf more than pbf needs hatton.
Re: Hatton : Mayweather must make light-welter to fight me
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Two things I think Mayweather can't, won't do.
Make 140 lbs. and fight southpaws.
He has fought southpaws
Plus Ricky fights orthadox so why is it even relevent?
Re: Hatton : Mayweather must make light-welter to fight me
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by silent assassin
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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I have to disagree a little in that Hatton with his ability to close the gap, and fight the exact fight that gives Mayweather problems means he is a more dangerous fighter to face Mayweather than Vargas(who can't get down to 154), Mayorga(who I doubt can get down to it anymore), Ouma(who isn't good enough), Karmazin(who isn't wellk known). I think Hatton also gives Mayweather more troubles than Margarito.
I think the hardest fight for him is Spinks, but Spinks would have had to win the 160, and come back down for that to happen. I felt he beat Taylor, but he didn't on the scorecards.
Disagree here with the points in bold. Hatton is not the type of fighter who can give Floyd problems at this point, in fact, he's the exact antithesis of the type of fighter who can beat Floyd. Hatton is short, with short arms, and no jab. This is the type of fighter that can be picked apart by a fighter like Floyd.
It's been proven over and over again that the weapon that neutralizes a great speed/defense fighter like Floyd is a long authorative jab. Hatton doesn't have the ability or the body type to beat a Mayweather-type fighter.
:coolclick: I agree completely I think Floyd would destroy Hatton, it wouldn't even be a fight. For me big strong guys like Margarito, Williams and even Cintron would present a far bigger challenge to Floyd as he'd stuggle to get close enough to do damage and then get away.
Hatton with his stubby little arms wouldn't even get close to landing in a 100 rounds let alone 12.
It's a complete mismatch imo.
That could very well be the case. And again for the record I see PBF puttin it on Hatton if this fight were to happen. But we do have to consider that this is still a business. And protected or not, This is A guy that has strung together 43 consecutive wins & 0 losses. IMO it's a hard argument to win that he doesn't deserve the shot. It also doesn't hurt that he has a whole damn country buying tickets to watch him fight.
As far as the Gatti-Hatton comparison IMO it's a bit unfair. Gatti's fanbase was big. But not close to Hatton's. Gatti had also already established a pattern of losing when he stepped to the top echelon guys. Hatton had IMO only had 2 cracks at top echelon guys, Kostya & Castillo. Although in hindsight it seems that both of their better days were behind them, he was succesful when he got the chance. It was the opposite for Gatti.
If we are just talikng about who may be able to take PBF out. IMO Mosely & Cotto would have the best chances of that. But it is a business & like it or not this fight makes sense & is good for boxing.
For people to suggest that Cintron & Williams should be fighting PBF before Hatton. Well IMO that's just waayyy off at this point.
:coolclick: A good post and I agree with you. I wasn't saying that Floyd shouldn't fight Ricky, on the contrary it would be a huge a fight. My point is that as champion it's not for Floyd to do all the hoop jumping to make this fight happen. Hatton needs Floyd not the other way around.
For Floyd right now commercially the biggest fights have to be a battle with Cotto or a rematch with Oscar. In terms of proving his legacy I'd say a fight with Mosely or even a move up to 160 would be better than fighting Hatton
I agree Hatton deserves a shot more than Williams and Cintron but I still think they would give Floyd a much tougher challenge than Hatton could.
Can you even imagine Hatton fighting Williams or Cintron? He'd get battered.
:coolclick: #973 Back 2 u. I agree that Hatton needs PBF. PBF does not need Hatton.
As far as Cintron & Williams vs Hatton I'm not sure. They both have the tools but 4 me the jury is stiil out on Cintron to beat Hatton because of what happened with Margarito. Williams just hasn't shown how he would react in a knockdown/dragout fight. The tools are there but I would have to see a little more from those 2. I would pick Cotto to put a beating on Hatton & Mosely to beat him also.
Re: Hatton : Mayweather must make light-welter to fight me
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Originally Posted by CFH
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Originally Posted by Kel
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I'm a bigger fan of Hatton than I am of PBF, but it certainly looks like Hatton is scared of going up to 147 again. I'd love to see this fight, though it doesn't look too promising right now. It doesn't really matter what weight they fight at anyways, Hatton is taylor-made for PBF, and Floyd stops Hatton and makes it look easy at any weight.
Why not 140 then? I have heard so many PBF fans stating he has fought beyond his natural weight to show how great he is. Does anyone really think 140 would be hard for Floyd?
I think the most competitive fight would occur at 140 and there's no reason Floyd couldn't make the weight, other than the inherant dangers of losing too much muscle too quickly. Floyd often (aside from the Oscar fight) seems to want to dictate the terms of his fights trying to give himself some advantages and he'd have more experience and confidence at 147, which is where's he'll probably demand the fight take place.
He's the P4P #1 and Hatton called him out, that gives him the upper hand in laying out the terms for this fight.
I thought Floyd called him out recently following Hattons remarks after the Castillo fight?
Anyway I think the fight should be made at 145 to be fair. Floyd could piss it as he was only about 4 pounds heavier at the Oscar weigh in (if I remember right) and it gives Rick a little more slack also.
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Ricky Hatton's father, Ray, said yesterday that Floyd Mayweather would have to come down to light-welterweight if he wanted to figure in a contest between the two undefeated fighters in November.
Mayweather's last contest was at light-middleweight, one stone heavier than Hatton's division, and the American has since indicated that he will now fight as a welterweight, at 10st 7lb. Ray Hatton's statement seems to rule out the possibility of a Hatton-Mayweather fight this year, with New York's Paulie Malignaggi, the WBA light-welterweight champion, still most likely to get the Hatton engagement.
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/boxing/s...125503,00.html
The Hatton camp know Mayweather is never going to come down to 140. They're ducking him. Maybe they're ducking because they think they can make more money with alternative fights, that's the most charitable way of looking at this. I wonder what PBF will have to say about it. :)
For some reason Ray Hatton always seems to say something after a fight that totally pisses me off!
Rick can fight a few guys up at 147 and Floyd is defo one of them. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR YOU SON RAY!
Re: Hatton : Mayweather must make light-welter to fight me
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Originally Posted by ghoster
Two things I think Mayweather can't, won't do.
Make 140 lbs. and fight southpaws.
I disagree. He CAN do both. He does not & would not have a problem fighting another southpaw & would -no problem. But we are all guessing if he would want to make 140.
