Re: Could Paul Williams be the man to beat Floyd?
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Williams-Mayweather would be a boring one.
Williams throws over a 100 punches a round, how would this be boring? ???
They won't be able to hurt each other.
You serious? Margarito and Williams wern't able to hurt each other either but show me a better fight this year ;)
Re: Could Paul Williams be the man to beat Floyd?
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by smashcrusher
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Ah, no.
Thank you. Williams is good but why is it when someone comes off a win, everyone immediately thinks they can beat the best who's in their division? DLH beats Mayorga and everyone on this board is saying he'll slay everyone, Mosley beats Vargas and all the sudden he's the second coming of Tommy Hearns. And now Williams beats Antonio Margarito 8 rounds to 4 so he's gonna beat Floyd Mayweather ??? I don't think so.
Fair point, I'm not saying Williams is the best fighter in the world I'm just putting the question out there as to how stylistically would Floyd solve the Williams puzzle.
In recent fights Floyd has one by staying on the outside and relying on his superior speed to pick of his opponents with single shot combinations.
How does he possibly stay on the outside of a man who's practically got a whole extra arm's length in wingspan to him? ???
Oscar WAS able to back up Floyd early and apply pressure but he tired late on and Floyd took over. We just saw against Margarito that Williams doesn't gas and unlike Oscar who got punch shy in the final rounds Williams was just a whirlwind from start to finish.
If you going to even make a post saying Williams loses end of, at least tell us how what strategy you think Floyd will adopt and HOW he will win.
This isn't just a yes or no poll I want reasons and opinions as to HOW this fight would pan out ;)
Regardless of "Reach" they have the same length of arms 26'. Second Mayweather knew Oscar was going to tire so he kept the fight closer. Third Oscar is still a better fighter than Williams, and he has faster hands.
Have you seen how faster Mayweather can move if he wants? He could easily keep the distance if he wanted to. I think he will have more a problem with pressure from Hatton who gets in quicker than with Williams because if Mayweather keeps moving a lot Williams won't be able to throw punches especially if he has to worry about Mayweather's sharp counters.
Re: Could Paul Williams be the man to beat Floyd?
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by smashcrusher
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Ah, no.
Thank you. Williams is good but why is it when someone comes off a win, everyone immediately thinks they can beat the best who's in their division? DLH beats Mayorga and everyone on this board is saying he'll slay everyone, Mosley beats Vargas and all the sudden he's the second coming of Tommy Hearns. And now Williams beats Antonio Margarito 8 rounds to 4 so he's gonna beat Floyd Mayweather ??? I don't think so.
Fair point, I'm not saying Williams is the best fighter in the world I'm just putting the question out there as to how stylistically would Floyd solve the Williams puzzle.
In recent fights Floyd has won by staying on the outside and relying on his superior speed to pick of his opponents with single shot combinations.
How does he possibly stay on the outside of a man who's practically got a whole extra arm's length in wingspan to him? ???
Oscar WAS able to back up Floyd early and apply pressure but he tired late on and Floyd took over. We just saw against Margarito that Williams doesn't gas and unlike Oscar who got punch shy in the final rounds Williams was just a whirlwind from start to finish.
If you going to even make a post saying Williams loses end of, at least tell us how what strategy you think Floyd will adopt and HOW he will win.
This isn't just a yes or no poll I want reasons and opinions as to HOW this fight would pan out ;)
When has reach ever been a problem for Floyd. He nearly is always at a disadvantage as far as reach. The fact of the matter is this, styles only come into play against one dimensional fighters, rarely against well rounded world class fighters. The way to beat well rounded world class fighters is to impose your will on them, and that is not how Williams fights. A fighter with the aggression of a Castillo/Hatton/Cotto are the only ones with a chance to beat Floyd, and IMO Floyd beats even all of them. Face it, Floyd is simply better in every phase of the game than Williams.
Re: Could Paul Williams be the man to beat Floyd?
the size difference would make this very interesting. Floyd could beat Williams as he is open to counters, he will often leave his chin out and drop his shoulder too much, Williams wont be able to put out that work rate either as he will have to chase floyd around the ring, Margarito was constantly coming in so Williams could set the pace.
Re: Could Paul Williams be the man to beat Floyd?
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by smashcrusher
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Ah, no.
Thank you. Williams is good but why is it when someone comes off a win, everyone immediately thinks they can beat the best who's in their division? DLH beats Mayorga and everyone on this board is saying he'll slay everyone, Mosley beats Vargas and all the sudden he's the second coming of Tommy Hearns. And now Williams beats Antonio Margarito 8 rounds to 4 so he's gonna beat Floyd Mayweather ??? I don't think so.
Fair point, I'm not saying Williams is the best fighter in the world I'm just putting the question out there as to how stylistically would Floyd solve the Williams puzzle.
In recent fights Floyd has one by staying on the outside and relying on his superior speed to pick of his opponents with single shot combinations.
How does he possibly stay on the outside of a man who's practically got a whole extra arm's length in wingspan to him? ???
Oscar WAS able to back up Floyd early and apply pressure but he tired late on and Floyd took over. We just saw against Margarito that Williams doesn't gas and unlike Oscar who got punch shy in the final rounds Williams was just a whirlwind from start to finish.
If you going to even make a post saying Williams loses end of, at least tell us how what strategy you think Floyd will adopt and HOW he will win.
This isn't just a yes or no poll I want reasons and opinions as to HOW this fight would pan out ;)
All I can think of is Leonard/Hearns.
I am not comparing Tommy to Paul but there are some similarities. Height and reach being the most obvious.
Floyd would have to take risks against Williams and I dont see Floyd being that brave. That kind of balls and bravery nearly Cost Leonard his entire carreer. Floyd would get jabbed to death unless Floyd took that risk to fight like Leonard did against Hearns. Leonard was better than Flody and Ray had more power. Paul does not seem to have the power that Hearns had but Paul has the higher work rate so that would be an advantage. Why does it feel that Paul is still a little green after more than 32 fights? He ain't faught no one. Pual still looks good enough to beat Roid. Let's not forget that Paul is also a South Paw and we saw what a south paw in Judah did to Roid early.
Re: Could Paul Williams be the man to beat Floyd?
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Williams-Mayweather would be a boring one.
Williams throws over a 100 punches a round, how would this be boring? ???
They won't be able to hurt each other.
You serious? Margarito and Williams wern't able to hurt each other either but show me a better fight this year ;)
I don't know about you but I find the 1st and 2nd HBO fights tonight more exciting than the 3rd one.
Most boxing fans prefer to see KO/TKO coz they're like slam dunks of NBA, homeruns of MLB, and touchdowns of NFL.
got my point?
Re: Could Paul Williams be the man to beat Floyd?
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Originally Posted by Danny_G
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by smashcrusher
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Ah, no.
Thank you. Williams is good but why is it when someone comes off a win, everyone immediately thinks they can beat the best who's in their division? DLH beats Mayorga and everyone on this board is saying he'll slay everyone, Mosley beats Vargas and all the sudden he's the second coming of Tommy Hearns. And now Williams beats Antonio Margarito 8 rounds to 4 so he's gonna beat Floyd Mayweather ??? I don't think so.
Fair point, I'm not saying Williams is the best fighter in the world I'm just putting the question out there as to how stylistically would Floyd solve the Williams puzzle.
In recent fights Floyd has one by staying on the outside and relying on his superior speed to pick of his opponents with single shot combinations.
How does he possibly stay on the outside of a man who's practically got a whole extra arm's length in wingspan to him? ???
Oscar WAS able to back up Floyd early and apply pressure but he tired late on and Floyd took over. We just saw against Margarito that Williams doesn't gas and unlike Oscar who got punch shy in the final rounds Williams was just a whirlwind from start to finish.
If you going to even make a post saying Williams loses end of, at least tell us how what strategy you think Floyd will adopt and HOW he will win.
This isn't just a yes or no poll I want reasons and opinions as to HOW this fight would pan out ;)
All I can think of is Leonard/Hearns.
I am not comparing Tommy to Paul but there are some similarities. Height and reach being the most obvious.
Floyd would have to take risks against Williams and I dont see Floyd being that brave. That kind of balls and bravery nearly Cost Leonard his entire carreer. Floyd would get jabbed to death unless Floyd took that risk to fight like Leonard did against Hearns. Leonard was better than Flody and Ray had more power. Paul does not seem to have the power that Hearns had but Paul has the higher work rate so that would be an advantage. Why does it feel that Paul is still a little green after more than 32 fights? He ain't faught no one. Pual still looks good enough to beat Roid. Let's not forget that Paul is also a South Paw and we saw what a south paw in Judah did to Roid early.
Why would Floyd not take risks against Williams. Exactly what sort of power threat does this man pose to any elite fighter at 147? Don't get me wrong, he's a good fighter, but the man ain't knocking out Floyd, Mosley, Cotto, and dare I say even Ricky Hatton. (and just so you know, Judah didn't give Floyd problems because he's a southpaw, he gave him problems because he's just as fast. Floyd's anihilated every other southpaw he's ever faced).
Re: Could Paul Williams be the man to beat Floyd?
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Originally Posted by Danny_G
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by smashcrusher
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Ah, no.
Thank you. Williams is good but why is it when someone comes off a win, everyone immediately thinks they can beat the best who's in their division? DLH beats Mayorga and everyone on this board is saying he'll slay everyone, Mosley beats Vargas and all the sudden he's the second coming of Tommy Hearns. And now Williams beats Antonio Margarito 8 rounds to 4 so he's gonna beat Floyd Mayweather ??? I don't think so.
Fair point, I'm not saying Williams is the best fighter in the world I'm just putting the question out there as to how stylistically would Floyd solve the Williams puzzle.
In recent fights Floyd has one by staying on the outside and relying on his superior speed to pick of his opponents with single shot combinations.
How does he possibly stay on the outside of a man who's practically got a whole extra arm's length in wingspan to him? ???
Oscar WAS able to back up Floyd early and apply pressure but he tired late on and Floyd took over. We just saw against Margarito that Williams doesn't gas and unlike Oscar who got punch shy in the final rounds Williams was just a whirlwind from start to finish.
If you going to even make a post saying Williams loses end of, at least tell us how what strategy you think Floyd will adopt and HOW he will win.
This isn't just a yes or no poll I want reasons and opinions as to HOW this fight would pan out ;)
All I can think of is Leonard/Hearns.
I am not comparing Tommy to Paul but there are some similarities. Height and reach being the most obvious.
Floyd would have to take risks against Williams and I dont see Floyd being that brave. That kind of balls and bravery nearly Cost Leonard his entire carreer. Floyd would get jabbed to death unless Floyd took that risk to fight like Leonard did against Hearns. Leonard was better than Flody and Ray had more power. Paul does not seem to have the power that Hearns had but Paul has the higher work rate so that would be an advantage. Why does it feel that Paul is still a little green after more than 32 fights? He ain't faught no one. Pual still looks good enough to beat Roid. Let's not forget that Paul is also a South Paw and we saw what a south paw in Judah did to Roid early.
And the biggest difference is that Hearns used his height and his reach and backed it up with superb defense back in his day he used his height with one of the greatest jabs I've ever seen it was a power jab and William's jab is more of a range finding jab along with his straights to set you up for a hook he wants on the inside, actually Williams would probably fight Floyd more on the inside.
Re: Could Paul Williams be the man to beat Floyd?
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Originally Posted by Danny_G
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by smashcrusher
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Ah, no.
Thank you. Williams is good but why is it when someone comes off a win, everyone immediately thinks they can beat the best who's in their division? DLH beats Mayorga and everyone on this board is saying he'll slay everyone, Mosley beats Vargas and all the sudden he's the second coming of Tommy Hearns. And now Williams beats Antonio Margarito 8 rounds to 4 so he's gonna beat Floyd Mayweather ??? I don't think so.
Fair point, I'm not saying Williams is the best fighter in the world I'm just putting the question out there as to how stylistically would Floyd solve the Williams puzzle.
In recent fights Floyd has one by staying on the outside and relying on his superior speed to pick of his opponents with single shot combinations.
How does he possibly stay on the outside of a man who's practically got a whole extra arm's length in wingspan to him? ???
Oscar WAS able to back up Floyd early and apply pressure but he tired late on and Floyd took over. We just saw against Margarito that Williams doesn't gas and unlike Oscar who got punch shy in the final rounds Williams was just a whirlwind from start to finish.
If you going to even make a post saying Williams loses end of, at least tell us how what strategy you think Floyd will adopt and HOW he will win.
This isn't just a yes or no poll I want reasons and opinions as to HOW this fight would pan out ;)
All I can think of is Leonard/Hearns.
I am not comparing Tommy to Paul but there are some similarities. Height and reach being the most obvious.
Floyd would have to take risks against Williams and I dont see Floyd being that brave. That kind of balls and bravery nearly Cost Leonard his entire carreer. Floyd would get jabbed to death unless Floyd took that risk to fight like Leonard did against Hearns. Leonard was better than Flody and Ray had more power. Paul does not seem to have the power that Hearns had but Paul has the higher work rate so that would be an advantage. Why does it feel that Paul is still a little green after more than 32 fights? He ain't faught no one. Pual still looks good enough to beat Roid. Let's not forget that Paul is also a South Paw and we saw what a south paw in Judah did to Roid early.
I don't mean to sound out of the loop here, but who is Roid ???
Re: Could Paul Williams be the man to beat Floyd?
I think that Williams really has the speed and sheer punch output to catch Floyd more often than Floyd can come back at him.
Floyd is a technically solid fighter, but tactically he's lacking. Since when have you seen him have to really come up with a plan to set his opponent up, create traps, and do things strategically to change the course of the fight? I sure has haven't.
By no means am I trying to discredit Mayweather, but I honestly can't see him beating Williams with the same fight that he brings to all his fights. And on Williams behalf someone's going to have to really have a plan to offset his quickness and torrent of punches.
Re: Could Paul Williams be the man to beat Floyd?
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Floyd is a technically solid fighter, but tactically he's lacking. Since when have you seen him have to really come up with a plan to set his opponent up, create traps, and do things strategically to change the course of the fight? I sure has haven't.
So you missed the De La Hoya fight ???
Re: Could Paul Williams be the man to beat Floyd?
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I think that Williams really has the speed and sheer punch output to catch Floyd more often than Floyd can come back at him.
Floyd is a technically solid fighter, but tactically he's lacking. Since when have you seen him have to really come up with a plan to set his opponent up, create traps, and do things strategically to change the course of the fight? I sure has haven't.
By no means am I trying to discredit Mayweather, but I honestly can't see him beating Williams with the same fight that he brings to all his fights. And on Williams behalf someone's going to have to really have a plan to offset his quickness and torrent of punches.
A fighter who is as good as the one I suppose you're talking about would have beaten a wild swinging amateur like Margarito 12-0. Williams ain't that great folks, hate to break it to you.
Re: Could Paul Williams be the man to beat Floyd?
Here's the thing, Margarito was exposed by Williams... but a lot of us already knew what Floyd knew, Margarito is a wide puncher who basically just tries to outwork his opponents and land his shots near the end to take them out. Floyd didn't duck Margarito the same way he's about to not duck Hatton. Just because Williams needed the fight to put his name in the top echelon doesn't mean he just beat the best man out there. Floyd would have done a better job against Margarito because he has DEFENSE, and Williams really has none. Floyd would weather the large output by Williams because Willams doesn't have the power to hurt him. He'd counter him all night long, slip the slaps and touch him up. No knockout cause Mayweather really wouldn't hurt Willaims, but it would be a wide UD. This is a thinking man's game and until someone has the intellectual capacity plus the power to out think AND hurt Floyd, no one is going to beat him.
Re: Could Paul Williams be the man to beat Floyd?
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Williams-Mayweather would be a boring one.
Williams throws over a 100 punches a round, how would this be boring? ???
They won't be able to hurt each other.
You serious? Margarito and Williams wern't able to hurt each other either but show me a better fight this year ;)
pavlik-miranda
Re: Could Paul Williams be the man to beat Floyd?
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather+Mosley
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Williams-Mayweather would be a boring one.
Williams throws over a 100 punches a round, how would this be boring? ???
They won't be able to hurt each other.
You serious? Margarito and Williams wern't able to hurt each other either but show me a better fight this year ;)
pavlik-miranda
Agreed. I think Pavlik shocked the world on that one.
