Re: Antonio Margarito... before you forget, he's still a VERY dangerous contender.
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Margarito is still dangerous. If the fight comes through against Cotto then he has his chance of redemption and getting back into the mix quick. Its a tough tough calling though.
Margarito is never active enough and this will have to change if he is serious about bouncing back again.
I know we all have this "bouncing back" attitude. I have it too. It really bummed me out that he lost.
But then I said to myself......... "dude........ dude :).... he lost to a pretty good fighter and wasn't humiliated."
He lost, but he's not gone. He's still here. IMO he has the ability to beat Mosley, Cotto, Cintron, and even Williams (if he accepts his loss and realizes his inactivity).
Williams did what a challenger had to do to beat a champion
.... and at 25 he'll be able to make 147 for quite awhile.
He's not my favorite fighter, but I can't deny, he's the new scary man at 147.
Re: Antonio Margarito... before you forget, he's still a VERY dangerous contender.
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Lets not forget who gave Williams a shot at the title the right way..... through the ropes. It was Margarito. He could have let Williams have his belt and get a VERY lucrative matchup against Cotto another competitive yet winnable fight.
NO.
He didn't he faced a BEAST, took a lower paycheck, risked being hidden away by the fans YET AGAIN, and fought him in front of everybody to see. 8)
I understand what your saying. People jump off a the bandwagon so quick in boxing. The best thing Margarito can do is fight again as soon as possible against another good opponent and get a win.
Maybe against CIntron?
cc Nonito :) (Nonito's awesome btw)
If he gets it through his head that he lost against Williams. That he wasn't as aggressive as he should have been.
Then he should rematch Williams right NOW. I honestly think Tony isn't broke, he just has to keep doing what he does best, pressure fight.
Cintron is better now, so that would be a "crossroads" fight, with Tony going down and Cintron up in popularity. So that has a story behind the match. It would sell and IMO Margarito would knockout Cintron again.
Would williams give him a rematch?
With the disgraceful way Margarito handled himself after the fight, I would not give him a rematch even if it was the biggest money fight available. You always wonder, though, with these dumbass sanctioning bodies if the WBO won't order a rematch. Hopefully, that won't happen and we'll get a Cintron-Williams unification bout (I'm assuming Mosley, Cotto, and Mayweather will duck Williams until he establishes a bigger name for himself). That has the potential to be quite a fight.
Awwwe... did he hurt you and everybawdy else's feelings?
He gave Williams his shot and fought him.... like a man. Give him his props. It's just pride that makes him not take the loss like a man. He didn't have to fight Williams, remember that he could have fought Cotto instead.
I agree he deserves a rematch, but fighters need to show some humbleness in defeat. All guys do these days is make excuses.
I know humbleness is a great virtue. But you gotta understand the competitiveness involved, the pride that beats inside these fighters when they do what they do for a living. They lose and it's hard to accept. As for Vic Darchinyan... not accepting that he was knocked out, that's just plain ridiculous. And Zab Judah attacking referee Jay Nady for stopping the fight because Zab did the chicken dance and fell twice, that was unacceptable. But all Tony just did is say to Larry Merchant that he thought he was robbed. No big deal IMO. It's his loss if he feels that way. I think he can learn to deal with it. But lets not ask too much JUST after a fight that has to do with their lifetime careers man.
Re: Antonio Margarito... before you forget, he's still a VERY dangerous contender.
btw cc'd all you guys. ;D 8)
Re: Antonio Margarito... before you forget, he's still a VERY dangerous contender.
I've made no secret of the fact that I think Margarito is the 2nd most overhyped guy in boxing today (following Anthony Mundine). I really don't like the guy because I couldn't stand listening to his fans with the whole "Floyd is ducking me" bollocks. Also though, I find him a boring fighter. I really didn't enjoy that fight on Saturday at all.
However, while I'm a critic, he is a decent fighter with an amazing chin, but I think he's a league below the premier league fighters in this division. He should be fighting Cintron again next. Cintron has massively improved since then.
I also wasn't overly impressed with Williams. Don't get me wrong, he's a good fighter...but I felt at times he was too easily mauled around by Tony, and I think he'd cave under the pressure of Miguel Cotto. I'd pick Tony in a rematch as I think he'd learn from previous mistakes.
Re: Antonio Margarito... before you forget, he's still a VERY dangerous contende
Margarito is still dangerous but where his career goes from here is up to him. This will be the real test of how good he is,will he bounce back,beat some guys like Zab,rematch Cintron or PW or will he mope around like an ass,moan about the decision for a year then fight next year? Or just fade into oblivion? It's all up to HIM. He needs to get more active,fight 3-4 times a year. It'll be interesting to see where he goes from here.
Re: Antonio Margarito... before you forget, he's still a VERY dangerous contende
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Margarito is still dangerous but where his career goes from here is up to him. This will be the real test of how good he is,will he bounce back,beat some guys like Zab,rematch Cintron or PW or will he mope around like an a**,moan about the decision for a year then fight next year? Or just fade into oblivion? It's all up to HIM. He needs to get more active,fight 3-4 times a year. It'll be interesting to see where he goes from here.
I agree bro Margarito is still a dangerous guy! There are a heap of good match-ups there for him it's just really the question of if they are made. His best opportunities back into the mix are maybe either rematches with both Cintron & Williams.
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I've made no secret of the fact that I think Margarito is the 2nd most overhyped guy in boxing today (following Anthony Mundine). I really don't like the guy because I couldn't stand listening to his fans with the whole "Floyd is ducking me" bollocks. Also though, I find him a boring fighter. I really didn't enjoy that fight on Saturday at all.
However, while I'm a critic, he is a decent fighter with an amazing chin, but I think he's a league below the premier league fighters in this division. He should be fighting Cintron again next. Cintron has massively improved since then.
I also wasn't overly impressed with Williams. Don't get me wrong, he's a good fighter...but I felt at times he was too easily mauled around by Tony, and I think he'd cave under the pressure of Miguel Cotto. I'd pick Tony in a rematch as I think he'd learn from previous mistakes.
Hey man.... sometimes fans like you can't see good things when they come. It's ok.
Re: Antonio Margarito... before you forget, he's still a VERY dangerous contende
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Margarito is still dangerous but where his career goes from here is up to him. This will be the real test of how good he is,will he bounce back,beat some guys like Zab,rematch Cintron or PW or will he mope around like an ass,moan about the decision for a year then fight next year? Or just fade into oblivion? It's all up to HIM. He needs to get more active,fight 3-4 times a year. It'll be interesting to see where he goes from here.
He came back after every loss he's had, so why think different El Gamo? Don't listen to these fools about Tony moping around, he just has too much pride. No big deal. Remember, Tony's used to getting the bad end of the stick.
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Margarito is still dangerous but where his career goes from here is up to him. This will be the real test of how good he is,will he bounce back,beat some guys like Zab,rematch Cintron or PW or will he mope around like an a**,moan about the decision for a year then fight next year? Or just fade into oblivion? It's all up to HIM. He needs to get more active,fight 3-4 times a year. It'll be interesting to see where he goes from here.
I agree bro Margarito is still a dangerous guy! There are a heap of good match-ups there for him it's just really the question of if they are made. His best opportunities back into the mix are maybe either rematches with both Cintron & Williams.
I think he can beat Williams. He took his best punches and had Williams gasping in the 11th. He just has to gut it out and not try to block the punches as much IMO. "The best defense is a great offense" mentality. But to do THAT he has to admit to himself, not to the public, that he lost and where to improve from there.
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Williams.... I'm surprised he didn't say a Tony rematch. He wanted Cotto. Paul wants his limelight, and he's already got it much faster than Margarito via defeating Margarito. BUT I don't think he's afraid of Tony.... he just has to know though.... that Tony will always be a very very tough fight.
That's not really surprising to you, is it? How many fights have you seen where (though close) one guy clearly wins and then says the fight he wants most is a rematch against the guy he just beat (well, I guess Mayweather did that; but Oscar's his own thing). Fights against Cotto, Mayweather, and Mosley would all be bigger than a rematch against Margarito, so it's pretty unsurprising that those are the fights Williams said he wants. It would have been very strange for him to just call out Margarito again. I'd like to see Cotto-Williams. I think Cotto wins, because I still see him as a level up from Margarito and Williams. Margarito-Cintron is the rematch that should happen.
Re: Antonio Margarito... before you forget, he's still a VERY dangerous contende
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No way I think Margarito deserves a rematch with Williams...though it was close I still think Williams gave a dominant performance.
But I wouldn't say the way Margarito handled himself after the fight was disgraceful at all. He was disappointed and thought he won. It was more that he wished he won. I did not watch the post fight but I bet margarito, after re-watching the fight would admit loss. . If he doesnt then he is deluding himself, but it's not disgraceful...it isn't like he was dissing Williams (from what I saw) just that he knows he needed to win and sometimes it's hard to immediately accept a loss like that.
He is still very dangerous because he is so tough. I cannot see him ever giving up in a fight, no matter how out matched, out boxed, or out hustled he is.
Even though I had Williams winning the fight, I was thinking that round 11 that Williams might not have what it takes to finish the fight.
For real, I think Margarito's career isn't over, but it is pretty shot. Who is going to want to fight a guy that is never gonna give up like that? He will take what you have to give, and good luck knocking him out or making him quit.
His main deal was making people HAVE to fight him. There are more skilled in his division...but no way is it going to be an easy fight...it will be a fight where you have to go all 12 to win and really test yourself cause he is always going to be there ready to hit you back.
He has got a face made of leather...not going to cut him for a stoppage, not gonna KO him...you are in for a long a** night! He's the kind of guy that even if you start to lose concentration in the later rounds, even if you are dominating him...he can make you pay.
Cool Click....... I couldn't have said it better than that, I really couldn't have. cc
cc back gyro, good thread!
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Williams.... I'm surprised he didn't say a Tony rematch. He wanted Cotto. Paul wants his limelight, and he's already got it much faster than Margarito via defeating Margarito. BUT I don't think he's afraid of Tony.... he just has to know though.... that Tony will always be a very very tough fight.
That's not really surprising to you, is it? How many fights have you seen where (though close) one guy clearly wins and then says the fight he wants most is a rematch against the guy he just beat (well, I guess Mayweather did that; but Oscar's his own thing). Fights against Cotto, Mayweather, and Mosley would all be bigger than a rematch against Margarito, so it's pretty unsurprising that those are the fights Williams said he wants. It would have been very strange for him to just call out Margarito again. I'd like to see Cotto-Williams. I think Cotto wins, because I still see him as a level up from Margarito and Williams. Margarito-Cintron is the rematch that should happen.
Well let it be known, I KNEW people would be calling for Margarito Cintron even before this fight.
El Gamo has to have my back on this one. ;)
But yeah.... I hear you.... Williams wants to move to bigger and better things..... but you gotta have respect for the champ you just beat.... especially if he never had his claim to fame... and you took it from him in a close fight... and he gave you a shot when he didn't have to (could have faced Cotto as Arum wanted). Remember, P-Will is a new player. He's 25 and he's known.... Margarito is just barely getting known. I believe in showing respect on the overall picture. Get me?
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If you think Mosley will fight Williams,you are dreaming. Golden Boy would not put SSM with him,trust me. Arum already said after the fight that he does not want Cotto fighting PW. He didn't think PW won,there is a link somewhere if you'd like me to find it. That leaves Cintron,Margarito and Clottey.
I'd just like to add that Lampley is an idiot. After every round his analysis would be PW throws over 100 punches yet if you look at punch stats,they land near enough simlar % with Margarito certainly landing the harder shots. The scoring for this fight reminds me of Ponce V Penelosa. Ponce threw hundreds of punches every round but never once hurt Gerry. Gerry landed and threw less but made much more of an impact.
I've altered my opinion having seen the fight numerous times,I want to see a rematch. If Margarito can go to court against his own promotional company to get the fight with PW,I'm sure PW can return the favour.
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No way I think Margarito deserves a rematch with Williams...though it was close I still think Williams gave a dominant performance.
But I wouldn't say the way Margarito handled himself after the fight was disgraceful at all. He was disappointed and thought he won. It was more that he wished he won. I did not watch the post fight but I bet margarito, after re-watching the fight would admit loss. . If he doesnt then he is deluding himself, but it's not disgraceful...it isn't like he was dissing Williams (from what I saw) just that he knows he needed to win and sometimes it's hard to immediately accept a loss like that.
He is still very dangerous because he is so tough. I cannot see him ever giving up in a fight, no matter how out matched, out boxed, or out hustled he is.
Even though I had Williams winning the fight, I was thinking that round 11 that Williams might not have what it takes to finish the fight.
For real, I think Margarito's career isn't over, but it is pretty shot. Who is going to want to fight a guy that is never gonna give up like that? He will take what you have to give, and good luck knocking him out or making him quit.
His main deal was making people HAVE to fight him. There are more skilled in his division...but no way is it going to be an easy fight...it will be a fight where you have to go all 12 to win and really test yourself cause he is always going to be there ready to hit you back.
He has got a face made of leather...not going to cut him for a stoppage, not gonna KO him...you are in for a long a** night! He's the kind of guy that even if you start to lose concentration in the later rounds, even if you are dominating him...he can make you pay.
Cool Click....... I couldn't have said it better than that, I really couldn't have. cc
cc back gyro, good thread!
"But I wouldn't say the way Margarito handled himself after the fight was disgraceful at all. He was disappointed and thought he won. It was more that he wished he won. I did not watch the post fight but I bet margarito, after re-watching the fight would admit loss. . If he doesnt then he is deluding himself, but it's not disgraceful...it isn't like he was dissing Williams (from what I saw) just that he knows he needed to win and sometimes it's hard to immediately accept a loss like that." Dasamm
Thanks, I think you and I know a lot about losing. haha :D I'll keep a lookout for your posts from now on. 8)
Re: Antonio Margarito... before you forget, he's still a VERY dangerous contende
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He is not done. He has a couple of years left. He is still a threat and we all seen that against Cintron. Kermit said that was a fluke? Let him prove it and demand a rematch. I would. Styles make fights you all know the drill. Paul Williams will be tough to beat. I have a feeling Pual Williams will be avoided like Tony was avoived. I guess Paul not only took Tony's belt, he also took the torch as the man people will be avoiding in the future. This division is full of danger. I love it! I am dying to see Cotto Williams. Make it happen.
Williams won't be ducked, I can tell you that..... that's just my opinion on that. He won't be ducked, just look at all the hoopla he's caused already. He earned it all, but it gets to me he earned it off a fighter who's earned it for years but never got his shot at a name opponent.
yea i agree with that,
it is not a Winky situation who had to go round the world as he was an unknown who never hit the limelight , Williams is young and now pretty famous in boxing now thanks to Margarito , I reckon there is no way he could be ducked.
