Re: Gomez is a prospect not a contender
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the problem i think alot of people are having with gomez is there looking at him like he suspossed to be a top 10 WW contender and he's not. Gomez is a decent prospect IMO. on saturday he did what most prospect do. he beat an old fighter with a good name in an impressive fashion. thats what prospects do. when you look at gomez as a prospect the gatti fight makes more sense.
gomez isn't supposed to be fighting guys like hatton judah cotto & PBF yet.
:goodpost: Agreed.
If Berto would have done that to Gatti or Joel Julio they would have got more credit imo. It's going to be very hard for any of te Contender fighters to break the stigma that comes with being a reality tv fighter.
But I like Gomez to me he's got skills and in a weaker division I'd even fancy him to get a belt. He has no chance at welter weight as it's the strongest division out there but if he were a natural 140 lber I'd have no hesitation in picking him to beat guys like M'Baye and Torres.
You may be right about Julio & Berto possibly getting more credit if they had done it. But not from me. But Berto is 18-0 w/16 KO's & Julio is 32-1 w/30 KO's (1 loss to Quintana). Gomez= 17-3-2 w/8 KO's. Not that Gomez has lost to any bad fighters Ishe Smith, Manfredo, & Felicano. But it does make his resume pale a little in comparison w/ Berto & Julio. Not that these #'s mean everything right now. But for the most part it's easier for people to start beleiving in those other two guys stats. I'm not even implying that he couldn't or wouldn't beat those 2. I don't know.
The TV stigma is a double edged sword. On one hand he is known as the reality guy. But on the other hand atleast he's already well known. Alot of exposure. He will be fine as long as he's matched smart & keeps working hard. He's a good prospect & a tough guy.
I do beleive that he will be the best that he can possibly be. Is that good enough? Only time will tell.
I actually find Gomez's record more impressive than Julio's to be honest. Julio is actually 31-2 as nobody who actually saw his embarrasing display against Cosme Riveria would credit him with a win there. He got his a** handed to him by Quintana and then got given a boxing lesson and was floored by a guy Zab Judah destroyed in about 4 1/2 minutes.
Berto's record is impressive but only because he's a puncher, he certainly didn't impress with his skills last time out.
Wins over Gatti, Manfredo, Brinkley, Kuddour and Feliciano are more impressive than anything on either Berto's or Julio's resume.
If somebody disagrees and wants to point out the great fighters that Julio and Berto have beaten I'm all ears.
It seems to me though that in both cases their biggest wins have been over Contender stars K9 Bundrage and Noberto Bravo. Certainly Gomez is a notch above both of those guys.
Depending on the odds I'd be prepared to bet on a Gomez upset of any of the three prospects Berto, Julio and Chavez Jr.
If he hadn't have been on the Contender and all you had was his record I think many other people would think the same.
@CutMeMick, actually my humour and tendancy to sometimes play the fool (a la Columbo) sometimes obscures the fact that I'm the sharpest analytical mind on the forum. You'll see for yourself soon enough when I win the prediction contest at the end of the year ;)
I agree with alot of what u said. I don't necessarilly think that any of the 3 are much ahead or behind the others. But to the casual viewer (not into all the aspects of boxing). Those records put a**es in the seats.
And for the record. Gomez fought Feleciano 2x's & has not beaten him yet. (0-1-1)
I'm glad you agree with most of what I said, but just for the record Gomez and Felciano are (1-1-1) ;)
Re: Gomez is a prospect not a contender
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the problem i think alot of people are having with gomez is there looking at him like he suspossed to be a top 10 WW contender and he's not. Gomez is a decent prospect IMO. on saturday he did what most prospect do. he beat an old fighter with a good name in an impressive fashion. thats what prospects do. when you look at gomez as a prospect the gatti fight makes more sense.
gomez isn't supposed to be fighting guys like hatton judah cotto & PBF yet.
:goodpost: Agreed.
If Berto would have done that to Gatti or Joel Julio they would have got more credit imo. It's going to be very hard for any of te Contender fighters to break the stigma that comes with being a reality tv fighter.
But I like Gomez to me he's got skills and in a weaker division I'd even fancy him to get a belt. He has no chance at welter weight as it's the strongest division out there but if he were a natural 140 lber I'd have no hesitation in picking him to beat guys like M'Baye and Torres.
You may be right about Julio & Berto possibly getting more credit if they had done it. But not from me. But Berto is 18-0 w/16 KO's & Julio is 32-1 w/30 KO's (1 loss to Quintana). Gomez= 17-3-2 w/8 KO's. Not that Gomez has lost to any bad fighters Ishe Smith, Manfredo, & Felicano. But it does make his resume pale a little in comparison w/ Berto & Julio. Not that these #'s mean everything right now. But for the most part it's easier for people to start beleiving in those other two guys stats. I'm not even implying that he couldn't or wouldn't beat those 2. I don't know.
The TV stigma is a double edged sword. On one hand he is known as the reality guy. But on the other hand atleast he's already well known. Alot of exposure. He will be fine as long as he's matched smart & keeps working hard. He's a good prospect & a tough guy.
I do beleive that he will be the best that he can possibly be. Is that good enough? Only time will tell.
I actually find Gomez's record more impressive than Julio's to be honest. Julio is actually 31-2 as nobody who actually saw his embarrasing display against Cosme Riveria would credit him with a win there. He got his a** handed to him by Quintana and then got given a boxing lesson and was floored by a guy Zab Judah destroyed in about 4 1/2 minutes.
Berto's record is impressive but only because he's a puncher, he certainly didn't impress with his skills last time out.
Wins over Gatti, Manfredo, Brinkley, Kuddour and Feliciano are more impressive than anything on either Berto's or Julio's resume.
If somebody disagrees and wants to point out the great fighters that Julio and Berto have beaten I'm all ears.
It seems to me though that in both cases their biggest wins have been over Contender stars K9 Bundrage and Noberto Bravo. Certainly Gomez is a notch above both of those guys.
Depending on the odds I'd be prepared to bet on a Gomez upset of any of the three prospects Berto, Julio and Chavez Jr.
If he hadn't have been on the Contender and all you had was his record I think many other people would think the same.
@CutMeMick, actually my humour and tendancy to sometimes play the fool (a la Columbo) sometimes obscures the fact that I'm the sharpest analytical mind on the forum. You'll see for yourself soon enough when I win the prediction contest at the end of the year ;)
I agree with alot of what u said. I don't necessarilly think that any of the 3 are much ahead or behind the others. But to the casual viewer (not into all the aspects of boxing). Those records put a**es in the seats.
And for the record. Gomez fought Feleciano 2x's & has not beaten him yet. (0-1-1)
I'm glad you agree with most of what I said, but just for the record Gomez and Felciano are (1-1-1) ;)
:coolclick: #1012.
I stand corrected my good man.
I go off of memory the majority of the time & don't run to boxrec for info. Not sayin that u do. Point being is that I saw only 2 of the fights & assumed that there was no more. Thanks for the heads up. ;)
Re: Gomez is a prospect not a contender
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Originally Posted by silent assassin
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the problem i think alot of people are having with gomez is there looking at him like he suspossed to be a top 10 WW contender and he's not. Gomez is a decent prospect IMO. on saturday he did what most prospect do. he beat an old fighter with a good name in an impressive fashion. thats what prospects do. when you look at gomez as a prospect the gatti fight makes more sense.
gomez isn't supposed to be fighting guys like hatton judah cotto & PBF yet.
:goodpost: Agreed.
If Berto would have done that to Gatti or Joel Julio they would have got more credit imo. It's going to be very hard for any of te Contender fighters to break the stigma that comes with being a reality tv fighter.
But I like Gomez to me he's got skills and in a weaker division I'd even fancy him to get a belt. He has no chance at welter weight as it's the strongest division out there but if he were a natural 140 lber I'd have no hesitation in picking him to beat guys like M'Baye and Torres.
You may be right about Julio & Berto possibly getting more credit if they had done it. But not from me. But Berto is 18-0 w/16 KO's & Julio is 32-1 w/30 KO's (1 loss to Quintana). Gomez= 17-3-2 w/8 KO's. Not that Gomez has lost to any bad fighters Ishe Smith, Manfredo, & Felicano. But it does make his resume pale a little in comparison w/ Berto & Julio. Not that these #'s mean everything right now. But for the most part it's easier for people to start beleiving in those other two guys stats. I'm not even implying that he couldn't or wouldn't beat those 2. I don't know.
The TV stigma is a double edged sword. On one hand he is known as the reality guy. But on the other hand atleast he's already well known. Alot of exposure. He will be fine as long as he's matched smart & keeps working hard. He's a good prospect & a tough guy.
I do beleive that he will be the best that he can possibly be. Is that good enough? Only time will tell.
I actually find Gomez's record more impressive than Julio's to be honest. Julio is actually 31-2 as nobody who actually saw his embarrasing display against Cosme Riveria would credit him with a win there. He got his a** handed to him by Quintana and then got given a boxing lesson and was floored by a guy Zab Judah destroyed in about 4 1/2 minutes.
Berto's record is impressive but only because he's a puncher, he certainly didn't impress with his skills last time out.
Wins over Gatti, Manfredo, Brinkley, Kuddour and Feliciano are more impressive than anything on either Berto's or Julio's resume.
If somebody disagrees and wants to point out the great fighters that Julio and Berto have beaten I'm all ears.
It seems to me though that in both cases their biggest wins have been over Contender stars K9 Bundrage and Noberto Bravo. Certainly Gomez is a notch above both of those guys.
Depending on the odds I'd be prepared to bet on a Gomez upset of any of the three prospects Berto, Julio and Chavez Jr.
If he hadn't have been on the Contender and all you had was his record I think many other people would think the same.
@CutMeMick, actually my humour and tendancy to sometimes play the fool (a la Columbo) sometimes obscures the fact that I'm the sharpest analytical mind on the forum. You'll see for yourself soon enough when I win the prediction contest at the end of the year ;)
I agree with alot of what u said. I don't necessarilly think that any of the 3 are much ahead or behind the others. But to the casual viewer (not into all the aspects of boxing). Those records put a**es in the seats.
And for the record. Gomez fought Feleciano 2x's & has not beaten him yet. (0-1-1)
I'm glad you agree with most of what I said, but just for the record Gomez and Felciano are (1-1-1) ;)
:coolclick: #1012.
I stand corrected my good man.
No problem, cc returned :)
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@silent assassin, sorry bro Karma wont let me click you again for 24 hrs
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@silent assassin, sorry bro Karma wont let me click you again for 24 hrs
No problem. We'll be around for plenty long enough to pass CC's. Saddo members are lifers bro. Catch me on the flip.
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@CutMeMick, actually my humour and tendancy to sometimes play the fool (a la Columbo) sometimes obscures the fact that I'm the sharpest analytical mind on the forum. You'll see for yourself soon enough when I win the prediction contest at the end of the year ;)
HA!
I laught at that prediction. 8)
Re: Gomez is a prospect not a contender
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
@CutMeMick, actually my humour and tendancy to sometimes play the fool (a la Columbo) sometimes obscures the fact that I'm the sharpest analytical mind on the forum. You'll see for yourself soon enough when I win the prediction contest at the end of the year ;)
HA!
I laught at
that prediction. 8)
I'm the favorite to win as i still have momentum from my Liddell-Jackson prediction. ;D
Re: Gomez is a prospect not a contender
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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@CutMeMick, actually my humour and tendancy to sometimes play the fool (a la Columbo) sometimes obscures the fact that I'm the sharpest analytical mind on the forum. You'll see for yourself soon enough when I win the prediction contest at the end of the year ;)
HA!
I laught at
that prediction. 8)
I'm the favorite to win as i still have momentum from my Liddell-Jackson prediction. ;D
Yup you are on a roll, by the looks of your sig. it looks like you and I ain't going nowhere. ;D
Re: Gomez is a prospect not a contender
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
@CutMeMick, actually my humour and tendancy to sometimes play the fool (a la Columbo) sometimes obscures the fact that I'm the sharpest analytical mind on the forum. You'll see for yourself soon enough when I win the prediction contest at the end of the year ;)
HA!
I laught at
that prediction. 8)
I'm the favorite to win as i still have momentum from my Liddell-Jackson prediction. ;D
Yup you are on a roll, by the looks of your sig. it looks like you and I ain't going nowhere. ;D
You'll notice that the hobbit is 1-0 in sig bets 8)
Re: Gomez is a prospect not a contender
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
@CutMeMick, actually my humour and tendancy to sometimes play the fool (a la Columbo) sometimes obscures the fact that I'm the sharpest analytical mind on the forum. You'll see for yourself soon enough when I win the prediction contest at the end of the year ;)
HA!
I laught at
that prediction. 8)
I'm the favorite to win as i still have momentum from my Liddell-Jackson prediction. ;D
Yup you are on a roll, by the looks of your sig. it looks like you and I ain't going nowhere. ;D
You'll notice that the hobbit is 1-0 in sig bets 8)
I'm 4-1 but the people whom I've beaten are no longer here :(
tuctan, BurkE!, rsanchez and .JamesToneyFan. this is my 1st loss :(
Re: Gomez is a prospect not a contender
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
@CutMeMick, actually my humour and tendancy to sometimes play the fool (a la Columbo) sometimes obscures the fact that I'm the sharpest analytical mind on the forum. You'll see for yourself soon enough when I win the prediction contest at the end of the year ;)
HA!
I laught at
that prediction. 8)
I'm the favorite to win as i still have momentum from my Liddell-Jackson prediction. ;D
Yup you are on a roll, by the looks of your sig. it looks like you and I ain't going nowhere. ;D
You'll notice that the hobbit is 1-0 in sig bets 8)
I'm 4-1 but the people whom I've beaten are no longer here :(
tuctan, BurkE!, rsanchez and .JamesToneyFan. this is my 1st loss :(
You must have humiliated them real good and run them out of town. Punisher has been pretty quiet these past few days since I became his daddy.
Much respect to you though for making your sig bet bold and proud, Punisher's is tiny, he's clearly trying to hide the fact that he got his spanked by the Baggins :P
Re: Gomez is a prospect not a contender
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
@CutMeMick, actually my humour and tendancy to sometimes play the fool (a la Columbo) sometimes obscures the fact that I'm the sharpest analytical mind on the forum. You'll see for yourself soon enough when I win the prediction contest at the end of the year ;)
HA!
I laught at
that prediction. 8)
I'm the favorite to win as i still have momentum from my Liddell-Jackson prediction. ;D
Yup you are on a roll, by the looks of your sig. it looks like you and I ain't going nowhere. ;D
That was a bet made with the intention of wanting the outcome instead of thoroughly expecting it. While I am still amazed that gatti lost, i should've seen it coming.
Re: Gomez is a prospect not a contender
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the problem i think alot of people are having with gomez is there looking at him like he suspossed to be a top 10 WW contender and he's not. Gomez is a decent prospect IMO. on saturday he did what most prospect do. he beat an old fighter with a good name in an impressive fashion. thats what prospects do. when you look at gomez as a prospect the gatti fight makes more sense.
gomez isn't supposed to be fighting guys like hatton judah cotto & PBF yet.
:goodpost:. Have :coolclick: #152
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Another problem for the contender mob is that it feels like they've been around for ever. They all have pre contender careers, a mini career during the show and now their post contender career. Gomez only has 20 fights but he's already being labelled a journeyman which is way off the mark.
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He's nowhere near the level of Hatton & cotto etc... yet.
