Re: Gavin Rees rated 5th best Light-Welter in the World by Ring Magazine!
Good post El Gamo..that perfectly highlights what a load of shit the ratings are.
Hopkins was their P4P NO.1 when Taylor fought him and Winky their NO.3..These two guys remain on their list even though Taylor is still unbeaten. Ridiculous.
Re: Gavin Rees rated 5th best Light-Welter in the World by Ring Magazine!
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Erm Preme,may be Im shocked because he has 2 wins over B Hop who is number 5 and a draw with Winky who is number 6? 2 wins and a draw against 2 defensive masters,and guys who have been P4P for a while and JT does not make P4P?? Those 2 names on his resume are as good as anyone else names on other resumes. Sure he looked bad v Spinks and Ouma but he won.Simple as.
I'd tend to agree with you, however I think it is a question of on what criteria you judge the p4p status. If you look at it recently, B-Hop has beaten Tarver and Wright, whilst Taylor has struggled with Spinks and Ouma. For me I don't think Barrera should be in the p4p list any more, because he hasn't performed at the top level for a few years now, although he looked OK against JMM. I think Barrera is in there simply because of his pedigree, rather than where he ranks among his peers on current form.
Personally I think Calzaghe is top 10 P4P and would muller the likes of Taylor..BUT..Calzaghe's been on the Ring P4P list since beating Lacy which he's followed up with Bika and Manfredo. Lacy wasn't in their top 10. Bika and Manfredo - nuff said.
How can Calzaghe rank above Taylor if Taylor beat and drew with guys in their top 10 and remains unbeaten? ???
Re: Gavin Rees rated 5th best Light-Welter in the World by Ring Magazine!
The ranking does seem rather silly if you ask me
Re: Gavin Rees rated 5th best Light-Welter in the World by Ring Magazine!
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If Soulyman M'Baye was in the 5th spot then The Ring have no choice but to put him there. Just don't expect him to be there long ;)
Yep
Re: Gavin Rees rated 5th best Light-Welter in the World by Ring Magazine!
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Good post El Gamo..that perfectly highlights what a load of shit the ratings are.
Hopkins was their P4P NO.1 when Taylor fought him and Winky their NO.3..These two guys remain on their list even though Taylor is still unbeaten. Ridiculous.
I agree brother,thanks. I'm starting to take the view that all these rankings,RING included,are BS. I just want the best to fight the best,then I'll be happy. As for P4P,we all know who is in the list,we just differ as to where.We don't need a magazine to tell us.
Re: Gavin Rees rated 5th best Light-Welter in the World by Ring Magazine!
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Erm Preme,may be Im shocked because he has 2 wins over B Hop who is number 5 and a draw with Winky who is number 6? 2 wins and a draw against 2 defensive masters,and guys who have been P4P for a while and JT does not make P4P?? Those 2 names on his resume are as good as anyone else names on other resumes. Sure he looked bad v Spinks and Ouma but he won.Simple as.
I'd tend to agree with you, however I think it is a question of on what criteria you judge the p4p status. If you look at it recently, B-Hop has beaten Tarver and Wright, whilst Taylor has struggled with Spinks and Ouma. For me I don't think Barrera should be in the p4p list any more, because he hasn't performed at the top level for a few years now, although he looked OK against JMM. I think Barrera is in there simply because of his pedigree, rather than where he ranks among his peers on current form.
Personally I think Calzaghe is top 10 P4P and would muller the likes of Taylor..BUT..Calzaghe's been on the Ring P4P list since beating Lacy which he's followed up with Bika and Manfredo. Lacy wasn't in their top 10. Bika and Manfredo - nuff said.
How can Calzaghe rank above Taylor if Taylor beat and drew with guys in their top 10 and remains unbeaten? ???
I think the only way to justify that is that Calzaghe is the biggest guy on their list and that he is dominating a division where he is head an shoulders better than anyone in there, except for the guy he's fighting next. There's still a few m/w's out there that Taylor needs to beat, such as Pavlik, but if he wins that one then he'll have to go in the mixer there too.
Re: Gavin Rees rated 5th best Light-Welter in the World by Ring Magazine!
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Erm Preme,may be Im shocked because he has 2 wins over B Hop who is number 5 and a draw with Winky who is number 6? 2 wins and a draw against 2 defensive masters,and guys who have been P4P for a while and JT does not make P4P?? Those 2 names on his resume are as good as anyone else names on other resumes. Sure he looked bad v Spinks and Ouma but he won.Simple as.
so what your saying is if a fighter gets onto the p4p list and doesnt lose, he should not be replaced?
Re: Gavin Rees rated 5th best Light-Welter in the World by Ring Magazine!
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Erm Preme,may be Im shocked because he has 2 wins over B Hop who is number 5 and a draw with Winky who is number 6? 2 wins and a draw against 2 defensive masters,and guys who have been P4P for a while and JT does not make P4P?? Those 2 names on his resume are as good as anyone else names on other resumes. Sure he looked bad v Spinks and Ouma but he won.Simple as.
I'd tend to agree with you, however I think it is a question of on what criteria you judge the p4p status. If you look at it recently, B-Hop has beaten Tarver and Wright, whilst Taylor has struggled with Spinks and Ouma. For me I don't think Barrera should be in the p4p list any more, because he hasn't performed at the top level for a few years now, although he looked OK against JMM. I think Barrera is in there simply because of his pedigree, rather than where he ranks among his peers on current form.
Most people who watched that fight agreed JMM won a very very close decision.. a few thought barrera even won.. so if JMM just won and stays in the list, then surly barrera should be jsut behinde him in it?
Re: Gavin Rees rated 5th best Light-Welter in the World by Ring Magazine!
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Erm Preme,may be Im shocked because he has 2 wins over B Hop who is number 5 and a draw with Winky who is number 6? 2 wins and a draw against 2 defensive masters,and guys who have been P4P for a while and JT does not make P4P?? Those 2 names on his resume are as good as anyone else names on other resumes. Sure he looked bad v Spinks and Ouma but he won.Simple as.
sorry, u mention spinks...
Yeah he got the DC, JUST again... but going by that, anaturalmiddle v a former WW and JUST won.. surlyif taylor belongs on the list then spinks does to?? you would have to be higher up even, being the smaller fighter and unluckily lossing against the undisputed middleweight??
P4P list is a list of the best fighters in the world right now, and taylor sure as hell isnt one.... its not a case of what you done 3 years ago, or how many fans you have... if your one of the best boxers in the world you belong on that list, if you look piss poor and are not performing, you don't belong there, simple as that.
I see the same people (not saying u gam) defending taylor for being dropped form the list, when they had no problems when hatton was, even tho he was still winning...
Re: Gavin Rees rated 5th best Light-Welter in the World by Ring Magazine!
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Erm Preme,may be Im shocked because he has 2 wins over B Hop who is number 5 and a draw with Winky who is number 6? 2 wins and a draw against 2 defensive masters,and guys who have been P4P for a while and JT does not make P4P?? Those 2 names on his resume are as good as anyone else names on other resumes. Sure he looked bad v Spinks and Ouma but he won.Simple as.
I'd tend to agree with you, however I think it is a question of on what criteria you judge the p4p status. If you look at it recently, B-Hop has beaten Tarver and Wright, whilst Taylor has struggled with Spinks and Ouma. For me I don't think Barrera should be in the p4p list any more, because he hasn't performed at the top level for a few years now, although he looked OK against JMM. I think Barrera is in there simply because of his pedigree, rather than where he ranks among his peers on current form.
Most people who watched that fight agreed JMM won a very very close decision.. a few thought barrera even won.. so if JMM just won and stays in the list, then surly barrera should be jsut behinde him in it?
Have no idea where you are going with that one bro.Fightwriter,Eastside,doghouse,boxingtalk and maxboxing had JMM winning with scores similar to those of the judges.NONE thought MAB won(I posted the scores at the time) and most of these guys help RING to decide their lists. Also,I agree with SHR,MAB has not fought great competition for a long long time(Fana,Peden,even Juarez do not cut it for me)
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Erm Preme,may be Im shocked because he has 2 wins over B Hop who is number 5 and a draw with Winky who is number 6? 2 wins and a draw against 2 defensive masters,and guys who have been P4P for a while and JT does not make P4P?? Those 2 names on his resume are as good as anyone else names on other resumes. Sure he looked bad v Spinks and Ouma but he won.Simple as.
sorry, u mention spinks...
Yeah he got the DC, JUST again... but going by that, anaturalmiddle v a former WW and JUST won.. surlyif taylor belongs on the list then spinks does to?? you would have to be higher up even, being the smaller fighter and unluckily lossing against the undisputed middleweight??
P4P list is a list of the best fighters in the world right now, and taylor sure as hell isnt one.... its not a case of what you done 3 years ago, or how many fans you have... if your one of the best boxers in the world you belong on that list, if you look piss poor and are not performing, you don't belong there, simple as that.
I see the same people (not saying u gam) defending taylor for being dropped form the list, when they had no problems when hatton was, even tho he was still winning...
I'm surprised to see the highlighted because if that is the case, and I'm just using him as an example again because I know you really like him,MAB should not have been on the list for a long long time. He looked like shit v Juarez the first time(a Juarez who got his ass handed on a plate to him by Soto) and he beat guys like I mentioned earlier. His biggest fight in ages(v JMM and he lost it).
My point is, JT beat and drew with 2 P4P and HOF guys,which was not too long ago and he's not on the list? How can anyone argue against that? Sure he looked woeful in his last 2 fights but it does not detract from the fact that he got the W and beat/drew with 2 guys that are there now.
Post your list for me please.
Re: Gavin Rees rated 5th best Light-Welter in the World by Ring Magazine!
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Originally Posted by Galaxy.
M,Baye was ranked #5 coming in so Rees just took over his place. Moving everyone down one & pushing out the man that could only manage a draw with M'Baye... Kotelnik.
Right. I think the right thing was done in this case. If you beat a ranked guy you break into the rankings.
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Once you break into the top 10 you either slip down the list from ass whippings or get pulled due to inactivity. That's how I remember it being.
Re: Gavin Rees rated 5th best Light-Welter in the World by Ring Magazine!
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Erm Preme,may be Im shocked because he has 2 wins over B Hop who is number 5 and a draw with Winky who is number 6? 2 wins and a draw against 2 defensive masters,and guys who have been P4P for a while and JT does not make P4P?? Those 2 names on his resume are as good as anyone else names on other resumes. Sure he looked bad v Spinks and Ouma but he won.Simple as.
I'd tend to agree with you, however I think it is a question of on what criteria you judge the p4p status. If you look at it recently, B-Hop has beaten Tarver and Wright, whilst Taylor has struggled with Spinks and Ouma. For me I don't think Barrera should be in the p4p list any more, because he hasn't performed at the top level for a few years now, although he looked OK against JMM. I think Barrera is in there simply because of his pedigree, rather than where he ranks among his peers on current form.
Most people who watched that fight agreed JMM won a very very close decision.. a few thought barrera even won.. so if JMM just won and stays in the list, then surly barrera should be jsut behinde him in it?
Have no idea where you are going with that one bro.Fightwriter,Eastside,doghouse,boxingtalk and
AUTO MESSAGE: The webmaster of this site has requested that we do not use any content from it.... please delete this post had JMM winning with scores similar to those of the judges.NONE thought MAB won(I posted the scores at the time) and most of these guys help RING to decide their lists. Also,I agree with SHR,MAB has not fought great competition for a long long time(Fana,Peden,even Juarez do not cut it for me)
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Erm Preme,may be Im shocked because he has 2 wins over B Hop who is number 5 and a draw with Winky who is number 6? 2 wins and a draw against 2 defensive masters,and guys who have been P4P for a while and JT does not make P4P?? Those 2 names on his resume are as good as anyone else names on other resumes. Sure he looked bad v Spinks and Ouma but he won.Simple as.
sorry, u mention spinks...
Yeah he got the DC, JUST again... but going by that, anaturalmiddle v a former WW and JUST won.. surlyif taylor belongs on the list then spinks does to?? you would have to be higher up even, being the smaller fighter and unluckily lossing against the undisputed middleweight??
P4P list is a list of the best fighters in the world right now, and taylor sure as hell isnt one.... its not a case of what you done 3 years ago, or how many fans you have... if your one of the best boxers in the world you belong on that list, if you look piss poor and are not performing, you don't belong there, simple as that.
I see the same people (not saying u gam) defending taylor for being dropped form the list, when they had no problems when hatton was, even tho he was still winning...
I'm surprised to see the highlighted because if that is the case, and I'm just using him as an example again because I know you really like him,MAB should not have been on the list for a long long time. He looked like S*** v Juarez the first time(a Juarez who got his a** handed on a plate to him by Soto) and he beat guys like I mentioned earlier. His biggest fight in ages(v JMM and he lost it).
My point is, JT beat and drew with 2 P4P and HOF guys,which was not too long ago and he's not on the list? How can anyone argue against that? Sure he looked woeful in his last 2 fights but it does not detract from the fact that he got the W and beat/drew with 2 guys that are there now.
Post your list for me please.
Thing is what was the odds for Barrera/ Marquez? I'm sure it was a hell of a lot closer than Taylor/ Spinks! Taylor was a huge favorite going in & many thought he lost. Barrera maybe not the favorite going in had a better shot of winning in the majority of peoples minds than Spinks did. Therefore IMO Taylor deserved to be removed!
