Re: Fresh look at Trinidad vs de la Hoya
It's old news but here goes, i watched it again myself before DLH V Mayweather and neither fighter did anything in the first round, i hate even rounds but if anyone won the round i give it to DLH.
Rounds 2-9 are all DLH in an exhibit of boxing skill, then he coasted and lost the last three.
117-111 the same score i had it at 8 years ago! Trinidad just didn't do enough to take rounds away from DLH. I guess the rematch never happened because Tito could no longer make 147lb, or maybe he just didn't want to be soundly beaten again!
Re: Fresh look at Trinidad vs de la Hoya
I've watched this fight several times....volume on...volume off...one eye closed...drunk...sober....I just can't see how people don't give ODH 7 rounds out of the first ten...it baffles me...I agree that many rounds were close, but I thought Oscar was the better fighter that night
Re: Fresh look at Trinidad vs de la Hoya
PEople Judge fights very differently, some with Power Punches other with accumulations and stuff like that so because of that For me of course I declare that fight a Draw and shame on Oscar for try to optain 99.99999% of the $$ in a rematch pricing himself too high so the fight(re-match) couldn't be maid.
Re: Fresh look at Trinidad vs de la Hoya
I just finished watching the fight again tonight & I still feel DLH won. I scored it 115-113.
Re: Fresh look at Trinidad vs de la Hoya
I've read alot about this fight,some good analysis,some really bad. Rookiefan,yours is probably the best I have read. Have a CC. You look at it from both sides and made your points really well. Good man. When I originally saw the fight,I thought Oscar won easily and thought it was one of the biggest robberies I have seen.
However,upon review,I noticed alot of the things you notived Rookiefan. I thought the commentary,the replays,the crowd,everything was in Oscar's favour. The repays would show his punches,the commentators especially Lampley kept gloating about how amazing he was and the crowd would cheer even if he missed. (HBO does this with alot of their fighters >:mad)This all influences the person watching the fight so I watched it without sound and it was much closer than I originally thought.
I agree with nearly all your points especially on the jabs aspect. Jabs are good,scoring punches but I tkae a power shot over a jab as the criteria is clean,hard,punching,which alot of people forget. That's where your points come into play.
I think a draw would have been the best result. Just out of interest,anyone have punch stats for the fight?
Re: Fresh look at Trinidad vs de la Hoya
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Originally Posted by VanChilds
I've watched this fight several times....volume on...volume off...one eye closed...drunk...sober....I just can't see how people don't give ODH 7 rounds out of the first ten...it baffles me...I agree that many rounds were close, but I thought Oscar was the better fighter that night
:coolclick: Well stated...totally agree.
Re: Fresh look at Trinidad vs de la Hoya
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I've read alot about this fight,some good analysis,some really bad. Rookiefan,yours is probably the best I have read. Have a CC. You look at it from both sides and made your points really well. Good man. When I originally saw the fight,I thought Oscar won easily and thought it was one of the biggest robberies I have seen.
However,upon review,I noticed alot of the things you notived Rookiefan. I thought the commentary,the replays,the crowd,everything was in Oscar's favour. The repays would show his punches,the commentators especially Lampley kept gloating about how amazing he was and the crowd would cheer even if he missed. (HBO does this with alot of their fighters >:mad)This all influences the person watching the fight so I watched it without sound and it was much closer than I originally thought.
I agree with nearly all your points especially on the jabs aspect. Jabs are good,scoring punches but I tkae a power shot over a jab as the criteria is clean,hard,punching,which alot of people forget. That's where your points come into play.
I think a draw would have been the best result. Just out of interest,anyone have punch stats for the fight?
Thanks for your comments and CC for understanding what I'm trying to say.
It don't bother me if you saw the fight one way or another, I'm not trying to make you see it my way. I'm just pointing out that this fight was extremely close and no one got dominated at any point. Even when DLH was out boxing Tito and winning the fight, I did not get the impresion he was dominating Tito. Both guys did a great job and it was a solid fight. In a funny way, I think it was up to that point their finest hour and their worst hour all at once. If you all understand what I mean.... :-\
Re: Fresh look at Trinidad vs de la Hoya
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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
It's old news but here goes, i watched it again myself before DLH V Mayweather and neither fighter did anything in the first round, i hate even rounds but if anyone won the round i give it to DLH.
Rounds 2-9 are all DLH in an exhibit of boxing skill, then he coasted and lost the last three.
117-111 the same score i had it at 8 years ago! Trinidad just didn't do enough to take rounds away from DLH. I guess the rematch never happened because Tito could no longer make 147lb, or maybe he just didn't want to be soundly beaten again!
That comment is total bull, we all know why this re-match was never made. DLH just could not stand having anyone make the same money that he was making and priced himself out. Tito is still calling DLH and what did he do, decided to go back to 147.
Re: Fresh look at Trinidad vs de la Hoya
People crictizise DLH for running on the last rounds but isn't that how Floyd Mayweather jr. wins his fights? Besides, DLH didn't do that THE WHOLE FIGHT, he just did it on the last 2 or 3 rounds to play it safe because after all he was ahead in the score cards. It seemed smart but the fans and the judges didn't like that.
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Originally Posted by Chino
People crictizise DLH for running on the last rounds but isn't that how Floyd Mayweather jr. wins his fights? Besides, DLH didn't do that THE WHOLE FIGHT, he just did it on the last 2 or 3 rounds to play it safe because after all he was ahead in the score cards. It seemed smart but the fans and the judges didn't like that.
No, not really.
Re: Fresh look at Trinidad vs de la Hoya
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I've read alot about this fight,some good analysis,some really bad. Rookiefan,yours is probably the best I have read. Have a CC. You look at it from both sides and made your points really well. Good man. When I originally saw the fight,I thought Oscar won easily and thought it was one of the biggest robberies I have seen.
However,upon review,I noticed alot of the things you notived Rookiefan. I thought the commentary,the replays,the crowd,everything was in Oscar's favour. The repays would show his punches,the commentators especially Lampley kept gloating about how amazing he was and the crowd would cheer even if he missed. (HBO does this with alot of their fighters >:mad)This all influences the person watching the fight so I watched it without sound and it was much closer than I originally thought.
I agree with nearly all your points especially on the jabs aspect. Jabs are good,scoring punches but I tkae a power shot over a jab as the criteria is clean,hard,punching,which alot of people forget. That's where your points come into play.
I think a draw would have been the best result. Just out of interest,anyone have punch stats for the fight?
You say that but Tito was landing in such small numbers it was hard to give him a round in early going because Oscar was out landing him in every single round.
The punchstats used to be on boxrec but there not there no more but from what i remember Tito landed about 110 punches while Oscar was about 220 punches something like that.
Re: Fresh look at Trinidad vs de la Hoya
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I've read alot about this fight,some good analysis,some really bad. Rookiefan,yours is probably the best I have read. Have a CC. You look at it from both sides and made your points really well. Good man. When I originally saw the fight,I thought Oscar won easily and thought it was one of the biggest robberies I have seen.
However,upon review,I noticed alot of the things you notived Rookiefan. I thought the commentary,the replays,the crowd,everything was in Oscar's favour. The repays would show his punches,the commentators especially Lampley kept gloating about how amazing he was and the crowd would cheer even if he missed. (HBO does this with alot of their fighters >:mad)This all influences the person watching the fight so I watched it without sound and it was much closer than I originally thought.
I agree with nearly all your points especially on the jabs aspect. Jabs are good,scoring punches but I tkae a power shot over a jab as the criteria is clean,hard,punching,which alot of people forget. That's where your points come into play.
I think a draw would have been the best result. Just out of interest,anyone have punch stats for the fight?
You say that but Tito was landing in such small numbers it was hard to give him a round in early going because Oscar was out landing him in every single round.
The punchstats used to be on boxrec but there not there no more but from what i remember Tito landed about 110 punches while Oscar was about 220 punches something like that.
I found this on CNN SI with google.
DLH 263/648 => 41%
Tito 166/462 => 36%
They also said DLH is credited with 143 jabs and Tito with 42
That means that DLH landed 120 Power Shots and Tito landed 124 Power Shots.
I would love to see a round by round of this with jabs and power shots per round but I just can't find it.
Re: Fresh look at Trinidad vs de la Hoya
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Originally Posted by VanChilds
I've watched this fight several times....volume on...volume off...one eye closed...drunk...sober....I just can't see how people don't give ODH 7 rounds out of the first ten...it baffles me...I agree that many rounds were close, but I thought Oscar was the better fighter that night
Bingo! It really amazes me as well how some people try so hard to justify the decision that night.
Re: Fresh look at Trinidad vs de la Hoya
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
How about, for the sake of argument, we give DLH rounds 3, and 5 through 8 and we give Tito rounds 10 to 12.
This gives us 5 rounds for DLH and 3 for Tito with 4 rounds left. These are 1, 2, 4 and 9. I think there was another round which was pretty close, don't remember now if it was the 5th or the 7th, but lets leave it this way just to narrow it down.
What is your opinion on how these four rounds went?
I'm not threugh with this damn topic yet!!! Unles of course, you guys are ;D
Any answer to the above question?
Re: Fresh look at Trinidad vs de la Hoya
Ive watched this fight a few times. Many years after it actually happend though, so i wasnt sold by the sheer hype of the fight yet it was still a slightly forgettable affair IMO.
I had Dela Hoya up by 4 going in to the 10th.
The most ineresting thing for me was how Dela Hoya actually didnt look tired to me (Maybe this is one of those so-called 'common mis-conceptions' ?)... Not like he gased agianst Mayweather anyway. I wonder if his antics in the the last three rounds were more to do with nerves or some sort of mental unravelling. Maybe Tito was really stronger in the championship rounds like myth used to quote.
Maybe Titos Cinderblock wraps had only just set properly? ::** (hows that for an old argument? ;D )
