Is today Heavyweight division half as poor as the division was back in the 90's?

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Originally Posted by ThegreatJoelouis

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by ThegreatJoelouis

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Originally Posted by ThegreatJoelouis

ike beauchi was a great fighter but never got a chance to proove it since he wen to jail

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if I have said that the 90 era was the poorest ever and gave evidence and still refuse the truth then wha else can i do
and by the way the ronnie guy??????????????????

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Um you didn't tell me this is 3rd time i have asked now what era was stronger than the 90s except 70s because if you consider 90s poor what other era was stronger except the 70s.

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I'll explain the easy way

every era was stronger than the 90 era
and to use the word strong and the 90 era
Is the most mis-match sentence anyone ever could use
so congratulation a accomplish is a accomplish

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It is well lets have look back show we ??

Joe Louis era wasn't as strong as 90s
Rocky Marcianos era wasn't as 90s
neither was Tysons era in 80s

Look back at 50s 40s ect none of them are strong as the 90s

And yet again you still haven't said why they are stronger eras because all Marcianos era had was old Walcott old Moore Ezzard Charles and few other decent hws

60s had Liston Clay Patterson Ingermar Cooper still not as strong as the 90s

Thats just a few examples.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by ThegreatJoelouis

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by ThegreatJoelouis

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Originally Posted by ThegreatJoelouis

ike beauchi was a great fighter but never got a chance to proove it since he wen to jail

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if I have said that the 90 era was the poorest ever and gave evidence and still refuse the truth then wha else can i do
and by the way the ronnie guy??????????????????

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Um you didn't tell me this is 3rd time i have asked now what era was stronger than the 90s except 70s because if you consider 90s poor what other era was stronger except the 70s.

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I'll explain the easy way

every era was stronger than the 90 era
and to use the word strong and the 90 era
Is the most mis-match sentence anyone ever could use
so congratulation a accomplish is a accomplish

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It is well lets have look back show we ??

Joe Louis era wasn't as strong as 90s
Rocky Marcianos era wasn't as 90s
neither was Tysons era in 80s

Look back at 50s 40s ect none of them are strong as the 90s

And yet again you still haven't said why they are stronger eras because all Marcianos era had was old Walcott old Moore Ezzard Charles and few other decent hws

60s had Liston Clay Patterson Ingermar Cooper still not as strong as the 90s

Thats just a few examples.

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just because joe louis beat every doesn't make it a poor era back then fighter fought 15 round no 90s fighter could have lasted that long
The worst fighter from joe louis era, marcian era is better than any fighter from the 90's

again u have confuse me about cooper being a strong contestant in 60 he was ko in the first round by soo many no body before and after the Ali fight. His biggest accomplish was the knock against ali but ali got up and destroy him the next round unlike lewis against rahman so rahman a grea fighter in ur book since he has the score even with lewis.
Am not goin to spend my time writing down every fighter name from other era, that would ake forever so am sayin for the last time if you don't understand simple english then am not to blame for it.
Take my advice take some english and hoopefully you will understand things more easily
take care good bye

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Originally Posted by ThegreatJoelouis

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by ThegreatJoelouis

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by ThegreatJoelouis

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Originally Posted by ThegreatJoelouis

ike beauchi was a great fighter but never got a chance to proove it since he wen to jail

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if I have said that the 90 era was the poorest ever and gave evidence and still refuse the truth then wha else can i do
and by the way the ronnie guy??????????????????

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Um you didn't tell me this is 3rd time i have asked now what era was stronger than the 90s except 70s because if you consider 90s poor what other era was stronger except the 70s.

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I'll explain the easy way

every era was stronger than the 90 era
and to use the word strong and the 90 era
Is the most mis-match sentence anyone ever could use
so congratulation a accomplish is a accomplish

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It is well lets have look back show we ??

Joe Louis era wasn't as strong as 90s
Rocky Marcianos era wasn't as 90s
neither was Tysons era in 80s

Look back at 50s 40s ect none of them are strong as the 90s

And yet again you still haven't said why they are stronger eras because all Marcianos era had was old Walcott old Moore Ezzard Charles and few other decent hws

60s had Liston Clay Patterson Ingermar Cooper still not as strong as the 90s

Thats just a few examples.

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just because joe louis beat every doesn't make it a poor era back then fighter fought 15 round no 90s fighter could have lasted that long
The worst fighter from joe louis era, marcian era is better than any fighter from the 90's

again u have confuse me about cooper being a strong contestant in 60 he was ko in the first round by soo many no body before and after the Ali fight. His biggest accomplish was the knock against ali but ali got up and destroy him the next round unlike lewis against rahman so rahman a grea fighter in ur book since he has the score even with lewis.
Am not goin to spend my time writing down every fighter name from other era, that would ake forever so am sayin for the last time if you don't understand simple english then am not to blame for it.
Take my advice take some english and hoopefully you will understand things more easily
take care good bye

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Oh so now your saying i don't understand English well i was willing to just keep it with debating but you have come out with rude comment so ill comeback with one and i'll say i honestly don't think you have clue what your on about Marcianos era as strong as the 90s are you kidding me ?? ask any boxing historian actually ask anyone who has been following boxing for years and ask them if they think Marcianos era was as strong as the 90s they would laugh at you and just because they went 15 rounds in Joe Louis's era that makes it stronger ??actually name me on fighter Louis beat in his reign as champion that are any better than Lewis Holyfield or Bowe.



The worst fighter from joe louis era, marcian era is better than any fighter from the 90's


Now this comment is actually just plain ridiculous you don't have any idea what your on about.

again u have confuse me about cooper being a strong contestant in 60 he was ko in the first round by soo many no body before and after the Ali fight. His biggest accomplish was the knock against ali but ali got up and destroy him the next round unlike lewis against rahman so rahman a grea fighter in ur book since he has the score even with lewis.

I didn't say he was one of the best from 60s i mentioned him because he was decent hw in that era and when did i say Rahman was a great fighter ?? his career is based off getting lucky punch.

The 90's was really not that bad....At times it was weak and at times it was pretty damn good.....Certainly not as bad as the mid 80's when Tyson was the only Real quality HW and the others were names like....Pinklelton Thomas ( how ever he spelled his first name)...Tillman,, Tubbs,,Tucker,,,all running the championship show.....

When you compare it to some names like....Bowe, Holyfield,, Moorer,, Mercer,,ect in the 90's .....

well if this era now is better then the era in the 90's tell why Vitial probably the best one in the bunch was beaten by a very old lewis and dont give me the cut excuse he was cut by a punch and that to me doesn't make lewis look bad at all for winning on a cut.

Actually Vitali is not even ranked at all and here the proof
http://www.boxrec.com/
You might be mixed up with Wladimir
Viali is the older, slower and definante;y doesn't carrie the one bomb shot that klitschko has, Vitali is mre of a consitent fighter
Lennox was suppose to the best 90's fughter (minus Klitschko Brother, ike beauch, Chris byrd)
Lennox also got better with age as he alway said it himself and Lennox prepared for Vitali as if it was his last fight, Lennox was in his best shape ever
lennox wanted to retire on a high but Viali who come in the fight with back and leg injury well you might as well say Vitali came in the fight with a walking stick and beat lennox up soo badly.
That lennox look so old, past his peak, wobblling after the fight, lennox got boo out the ring, lennox also couldn't keep his promise about a rematch.
this fight reminded me when lennox was beating rahman on point until rahman landed a lucky punch.
Vitali was beatin lennox on point until lennox landed the lucky punch But Vitali never went down since he has no glass chin instead there was a cut course
Lennox has many times said lighting don't strike in the same place so it make all the sense in the world for why lennox etire instead
I have more respect for rahman who atleast gave lewis the rematch

Acutual lennox was said to have over looked Vitali and i think at 38 going on 39 it was a good idea for him to retire and the reason lennox got a rematch is because he was the champion who lost Vitali was just challanger i personal think lennox was not losing as bad as you think he was

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Acutual lennox was said to have over looked Vitali and i think at 38 going on 39 it was a good idea for him to retire and the reason lennox got a rematch is because he was the champion who lost Vitali was just challanger i personal think lennox was not losing as bad as you think he was

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Agreed...When you watch the fight again...Both men were tired as all hell...leaning on each other ect....Lennox did admit he overlooked Vitaly...a bad habit Lewis had with many opponents....He was a great heavyweight but that does not mean he was not cockey and arrongant.....It was that minset that cost him the loss against both Rahman and McCall.....In re-matches when Lewis came with his game face on he dominated...Hell Rahman knew at the opening bell he was in for it.....

Also Vitaly had never faced a guy like lennox who was as big and knew how to use his weight on the inside.....

Thank you dark i am sick of ever one saying lennox was lucky they stoped the fight because of the cut and i cc you for the input

klitschko may not have been 1/3 of his peak but still knocked lennox into retirement, lennox all his life has just spent time on boxing and know nothing else but klitschko has been very busy in other thing since he was former kicboxing champion, involved in politics since he was trying to become mayor and has a p.h.d. this does no even sound like one person
But anyway lennox has spent all his life on just boxing, but i'm sick of hearing u clown say that lennox was old and past his peak, but lennox become undisputed world champion at 34 and then fought klitschko at 37, so i u really telling me that lennox was only the best in the world for 2 years. Even hasim rahman can do better, but my main point is everyone including lennox said tha lennox was got better with age
lennox would always give the example of wine when saying he got better with age. BUT klitschko who only prepared on just few days before the fight or shud i say unprepared beat lennox so badly and suudenly made lennox look like the unprepared fighter.
that staement not enuf because lennox looked so bad that he looked out os shape and old past his peak.
klitschko would have had more time to prepare for the rematch and lennox would have not got the lucky punch to cause the cut.
lennox was the heavier guy and should have dominate the earlier rounds and i don't know how the hell lennox lost these early round, the later round would have killed lennox since he was heavier and would get knocked out,if lennox come in lighter in rematch then would not be heavy enuf to handle the punching, so lennox could only see retirement is the way out

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Thank you dark i am sick of ever one saying lennox was lucky they stoped the fight because of the cut and i cc you for the input

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CC back I mean it is just commen sense.....The name is Daxx not Dark by the way ;)

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Originally Posted by Davidhayebest

klitschko may not have been 1/3 of his peak but still knocked lennox into retirement, lennox all his life has just spent time on boxing and know nothing else but klitschko has been very busy in other thing since he was former kicboxing champion, involved in politics since he was trying to become mayor and has a p.h.d. this does no even sound like one person
But anyway lennox has spent all his life on just boxing, but i'm sick of hearing u clown say that lennox was old and past his peak, but lennox become undisputed world champion at 34 and then fought klitschko at 37, so i u really telling me that lennox was only the best in the world for 2 years. Even hasim rahman can do better, but my main point is everyone including lennox said tha lennox was got better with age
lennox would always give the example of wine when saying he got better with age. BUT klitschko who only prepared on just few days before the fight or shud i say unprepared beat lennox so badly and suudenly made lennox look like the unprepared fighter.
that staement not enuf because lennox looked so bad that he looked out os shape and old past his peak.
klitschko would have had more time to prepare for the rematch and lennox would have not got the lucky punch to cause the cut.
lennox was the heavier guy and should have dominate the earlier rounds and i don't know how the hell lennox lost these early round, the later round would have killed lennox since he was heavier and would get knocked out,if lennox come in lighter in rematch then would not be heavy enuf to handle the punching, so lennox could only see retirement is the way out

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Lewis lost the first 3- maybe 4 but was controlling the fight the last 2 rounds....I think it was established that Lennox self admittingly came in under rating Vitaly....the whole kickboxing...mayor...phd....tirade has nothing to do with anything......

So why did Vitaly leave kickboxing anyway?......seemed to me he retired from that sport after his KO loss...so what no feedback to him on that...not re-matching the guy who KO'd him?...or is that a point we were just overlooking :-\

Listen i am sick of you putting down lewis he has accomplished more then most and was the last undisputed champion of the world and he beat vital and that is that nothing else i can say to you make all the excuses you like bottom line lewis won and retired a champion

Well this topic deserves a sad click and there you go.


If the division is so piss poor how about you go and be champ since the fighters are so bad and the division is so poor.

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Thank you dark i am sick of ever one saying lennox was lucky they stoped the fight because of the cut and i cc you for the input

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CC back I mean it is just commen sense.....The name is Daxx not Dark by the way ;)

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Originally Posted by Davidhayebest

klitschko may not have been 1/3 of his peak but still knocked lennox into retirement, lennox all his life has just spent time on boxing and know nothing else but klitschko has been very busy in other thing since he was former kicboxing champion, involved in politics since he was trying to become mayor and has a p.h.d. this does no even sound like one person
But anyway lennox has spent all his life on just boxing, but i'm sick of hearing u clown say that lennox was old and past his peak, but lennox become undisputed world champion at 34 and then fought klitschko at 37, so i u really telling me that lennox was only the best in the world for 2 years. Even hasim rahman can do better, but my main point is everyone including lennox said tha lennox was got better with age
lennox would always give the example of wine when saying he got better with age. BUT klitschko who only prepared on just few days before the fight or shud i say unprepared beat lennox so badly and suudenly made lennox look like the unprepared fighter.
that staement not enuf because lennox looked so bad that he looked out os shape and old past his peak.
klitschko would have had more time to prepare for the rematch and lennox would have not got the lucky punch to cause the cut.
lennox was the heavier guy and should have dominate the earlier rounds and i don't know how the hell lennox lost these early round, the later round would have killed lennox since he was heavier and would get knocked out,if lennox come in lighter in rematch then would not be heavy enuf to handle the punching, so lennox could only see retirement is the way out

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Lewis lost the first 3- maybe 4 but was controlling the fight the last 2 rounds....I think it was established that Lennox self admittingly came in under rating Vitaly....the whole kickboxing...mayor...phd....tirade has nothing to do with anything......

So why did Vitaly leave kickboxing anyway?......seemed to me he retired from that sport after his KO loss...so what no feedback to him on that...not re-matching the guy who KO'd him?...or is that a point we were just overlooking :-\

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Does retirement mean being ko
again u r confused just because lennox was ko into reirement by Vitali

Vitali also retired in 2005 but I can't remember him losing his belt, So he did retire from kickboxig as the champion go research it and he beat every professional fighter, he may have lost once but this avenge his fight
you get more confusing by say the kickboxing, phd and mayor don't matter then why are you mentioning any losses that (if he did) Vitali got in his kick boxing fight
Lennox prooved he lost the first fight especially when he retired instead of having a rematch

Your are an Idiot....


This is coming from a guy who says Remy Bonjasky is not a world champion caliber kickboxer...yet has titles to state otherwise.....GO AWAY LITTLE BOY....