Greatest Heavyweight Of All-Time, Semi-Final: Mike Tyson vs. George Foreman

Prime Tyson. No heavyweight threw combinations at such speed combined with power.

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Originally Posted by miles

Prime Tyson. No heavyweight threw combinations at such speed combined with power.

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But anyone who could take his punches and didn't fight scared completely whipped his ass.....which is why I choose Foreman.

George was like Tyson but bigger, meaner, and he hit harder....sure his hands weren't super fast but his hands weren't slow either...I mean if they were slow punches more than 68 people would have gotten out of the way of those punches.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by miles

Prime Tyson. No heavyweight threw combinations at such speed combined with power.

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But anyone who could take his punches and didn't fight scared completely whipped his a**.....which is why I choose Foreman.

George was like Tyson but bigger, meaner, and he hit harder....sure his hands weren't super fast but his hands weren't slow either...I mean if they were slow punches more than 68 people would have gotten out of the way of those punches.

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Which is why I specified Prime Tyson. Tyson circa 1988. He had no reason to fear anybody. You use hindsight to assist your argument. But hindsight is summing up a completely revised fighter.

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Originally Posted by miles

Prime Tyson. No heavyweight threw combinations at such speed combined with power.

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Ali, Holmes, Holyfield, ;D

....yeah but look at PRIME Foreman and tell me he feared anyone

Foreman has right style to beat Tyson just look at Frazier vs Foreman yes they are bit different Tyson is faster ect but they both need to get close both use the bobbing and weaving tactic no one stands toe to toe with Foreman and survives the only style Foreman struggled with was stick and move fighters.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by miles

Prime Tyson. No heavyweight threw combinations at such speed combined with power.

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Ali, Holmes, Holyfield, ;D

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Nonsense. Tyson threw with a devastation none of those fighters possessed.

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by miles

Prime Tyson. No heavyweight threw combinations at such speed combined with power.

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Ali, Holmes, Holyfield, ;D

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Nonsense. Tyson threw with a devastation none of those fighters possessed.

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Notice my smiley face at end Miles meaning i was being a bit sarcastic but still all 3 threw pretty good combos not hard but still good.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....yeah but look at PRIME Foreman and tell me he feared anyone

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He feared noone but he still lost.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by miles

Prime Tyson. No heavyweight threw combinations at such speed combined with power.

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Ali, Holmes, Holyfield, ;D

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Nonsense. Tyson threw with a devastation none of those fighters possessed.

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Notice my smiley face at end Miles meaning i was being a bit sarcastic but still all 3 threw pretty good combos not hard but still good.

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Each of those fighters in their primes threw great combos, thats right. But Tysons freakish power makes him stand out for me.

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....yeah but look at PRIME Foreman and tell me he feared anyone

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He feared noone but he still lost.

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and Mike Tyson had trouble with Frank Bruno....and Mike Tyson didn't fear Buster Douglas but he got the shit kicked out of him.

There is no shame in losing to Ali dude....Mike Tyson didn't lose to Ali he loses to bums and he had trouble with fighters he should have.

Both Foreman and Tyson are devistating punchers and were feared so either way you can't lose but I side with Foreman.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....yeah but look at PRIME Foreman and tell me he feared anyone

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He feared noone but he still lost.

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and Mike Tyson had trouble with Frank Bruno....and Mike Tyson didn't fear Buster Douglas but he got the S*** kicked out of him.

There is no shame in losing to Ali dude....Mike Tyson didn't lose to Ali he loses to bums and he had trouble with fighters he should have.

Both Foreman and Tyson are devistating punchers and were feared so either way you can't lose but I side with Foreman.

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I know your arguments and you know much of what I have to say so as usual on threads of this nature that are impossible to resolve we shall just have to agree to disagree.

Im sure Tyson got hit with only one big punch from Bruno. The outcome was never in doubt! Anyways, I respectfully wish to disagree with you. ;D

Watch Tyson amateur fight with Winston bent and tell me he could not out box George, ppl seem to 4 get the Tyson was very hard to hit when he wasn't being careless and it wasn't because people feared him. ppl feared George foreman and he got hit all the time as well as Frazier and Liston. Tyson had excellent footwork,Masterful head movement, and use angles (unlike Frazier).

But it is what it is and the reality is no one knocks out George foreman unless George foreman tires out and Tyson body assault would of help George tire

The end all of end all Tyson gets a late stoppage (Rounds 7,8,9) due to defense and heavy body shots leading george foreman to exhaustion eventually putting him down.

But other than that Foreman will eventually catch Tyson cuz Tyson Defense begins to fade around round 7 so hopefully Tyson has already drained foreman by than.

Tyson is the whole reason I got into boxing and his training regime was sick when he was young so I am a Tyson fan but all boxing purist know That Foreman had the power to stop Tyson but Tyson did not have the Power to stop Foreman. If Tyson wants the victory he would of had to relied on his other assets and the power would of naturally took its toll later in the fight

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Originally Posted by Souljah

Watch Tyson amateur fight with Winston bent and tell me he could not out box George, ppl seem to 4 get the Tyson was very hard to hit when he wasn't being careless and it wasn't because people feared him. ppl feared George foreman and he got hit all the time as well as Frazier and Liston. Tyson had excellent footwork,Masterful head movement, and use angles (unlike Frazier).

But it is what it is and the reality is no one knocks out George foreman unless George foreman tires out and Tyson body assault would of help George tire

The end all of end all Tyson gets a late stoppage (Rounds 7,8,9) due to defense and heavy body shots leading george foreman to exhaustion eventually putting him down.

But other than that Foreman will eventually catch Tyson cuz Tyson Defense begins to fade around round 7 so hopefully Tyson has already drained foreman by than.

Tyson is the whole reason I got into boxing and his training regime was sick when he was young so I am a Tyson fan but all boxing purist know That Foreman had the power to stop Tyson but Tyson did not have the Power to stop Foreman. If Tyson wants the victory he would of had to relied on his other assets and the power would of naturally took its toll later in the fight

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So your basing it on amateur fight that he could outbox Foreman ??

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

I had to go for Tyson. He was just unstoppable in his prime.

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You need to watch some old Foreman fights!

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Originally Posted by Master

Tyson because he had better technique, size, speed, timing and power than Frasier. Foreman would not have time to set up his punches. In a strange way it could go to points if no-one was knocked out early similar to the Rudduck fight where both just absorb the bombs and Tyson had better conditioning at his best.

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Foreman stood up to Ron Lyle, Joe Frazier, and when he was 40 plus years old he took punches from Holyfield that knocked out Mike Tyson......George took those when he was 40.....AND he hurt Holyfield some in the fight too....more than Tyson ever did and don't bring up this PRIME stuff George was 40 freaking years old when he fought Evander so Mike has NO EXCUSES!

Tyson was smaller than Joe Frazier

Joe Frazier had good head movement too and look what it got him....KNOCKED THE FUNK OUT....twice

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I find it comical that you ALWAYS try to compare Frazier to Tyson,

#1 Frazier was slow and plodding with limited handspeed

#2 Frazier Bobbed and weaved which played into Foremans bludgeoning upper cut style, Tyson had superb head movement and was side to side like a windshield wiper

#3 Tyson was a combination concussive puncher and had the ability in his prime to put 4-5 combos together and had terrific footwork and could close the distance as good as most welterweights cause of his coordination and athleticism... Frazier was as graceful as a Hippo and lacked even the smidge of the footwork Tyson had.

I will say this, unless this fight takes place PRE-PRISON and got to be around the 9th round I dont think Tyson could hold it together mentally he might quit.

This is gonna sound like a farce but Tyson could absorb 10 fights worth of punishment in the 1st 7 rounds and still stand and fight with all the heart in the world, but around 9-10th round unless he KO's George Mike would pack it in

Tyson Tko by round 6