How tough is Enzo?

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08-15-2007, 04:03 PM
Scrap

Re: How tough is Enzo?

Haye cant fight Enzo can. Enzo is learning his craft Haye isnt They are the things Ive noticed
08-15-2007, 04:32 PM
Master

Re: How tough is Enzo?

If Haye beats Mormeck he will prove he is the best in the division and he has no need to fight Enzo who is a shade below him in ability and talent. Haye wins.
08-15-2007, 05:01 PM
Fenster

Re: How tough is Enzo?

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Originally Posted by Master

If Haye beats Mormeck he will prove he is the best in the division and he has no need to fight Enzo who is a shade below him in ability and talent. Haye wins.

Yeah, the very fact Haye is fighting the top man Mormeck next and Enzo just had his best win over a guy Mormeck had already helped send into retirement, says it all.

I'd love Haye-Enzo though.
08-15-2007, 05:31 PM
Preme

Re: How tough is Enzo?

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Originally Posted by Master

If Haye beats Mormeck he will prove he is the best in the division and he has no need to fight Enzo who is a shade below him in ability and talent. Haye wins.

I consider mormeck the 'top man' 'coz he has the ring belt, other than that he isn't undpisputed, he isnt the out and out best... There are two other champions out there in the form of maccarinelli and cunningham...

If haye beats mormeck all he will prove is that he beat one of the best, you can still argue bell deserves another shot as its 1-1 with him and mormeck, cunningham, maccarinelli and ever the polish fella(really need to learn how to spell that cunts name) are all more than capable of beating mormeck and i would pick all three to beat him honestly, after a few rounds mormeck hs nothing in the tank and is badly on th decline.

If haye took a jump to heavyweight IF he beats mormeck it would lose a lot of respect for him, i know enzo has been chasing a unification for a long time, but with mandatorys and rematchs taking place, hopefully he will get a shot at cunningham next, and i got faith steve will be looking to unifiy if he beats enzo. Haye can't beat mormeck caim heis the best and jump up, thats bull shit if it happens.
08-15-2007, 05:57 PM
Kev

Re: How tough is Enzo?

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Originally Posted by Preme

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Originally Posted by Master

If Haye beats Mormeck he will prove he is the best in the division and he has no need to fight Enzo who is a shade below him in ability and talent. Haye wins.

I consider mormeck the 'top man' 'coz he has the ring belt, other than that he isn't undpisputed, he isnt the out and out best... There are two other champions out there in the form of maccarinelli and cunningham...

If haye beats mormeck all he will prove is that he beat one of the best, you can still argue bell deserves another shot as its 1-1 with him and mormeck, cunningham, maccarinelli and ever the polish fella(really need to learn how to spell that cunts name) are all more than capable of beating mormeck and i would pick all three to beat him honestly, after a few rounds mormeck hs nothing in the tank and is badly on th decline.

If haye took a jump to heavyweight IF he beats mormeck it would lose a lot of respect for him, i know enzo has been chasing a unification for a long time, but with mandatorys and rematchs taking place, hopefully he will get a shot at cunningham next, and i got faith steve will be looking to unifiy if he beats enzo. Haye can't beat mormeck caim heis the best and jump up, thats bull S*** if it happens.

Personally I still think O'Neil Bell is the the man in this division
08-15-2007, 08:06 PM
Bomp

Re: How tough is Enzo?

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Enzo's the better boxer, can't see Haye winning without a knockout, which is possibble of course. It would be a cracking fight and absolutely should happen if they both win two titles each in November, I don't by Haye's idea to move up after his next fight, if he can stay down til November, he can stay down for a few more F****** months to really show who's the best cruiser.

Where do people get this idea that Enzo is the better boxer ???

Technically, Haye is better, but Enzo seems to have better stamina and a higher workrate.

I get the feeling if these two did meet people would be suprised by how much Haye would just pick Enzo apart. I'd expect him to finish him with 7 or 8 rounds, although if Enzo weathered the storm it could be a tough last third for Haye.

Basically Haye early/middle or Enzo late

I have to dissagree. I reckon Haye's the better athlete, but technically IMO he is behind Enzo. Enzo showed against Braithwaite he has a good defence and makes fewer mistakes than Haye.

Fragomeni was giving Haye fits when he put Haye on the back foot, he found it difficult to pick off a guy with such a high work rate, he'll find it much harder against someone who can punch as well like Mac.
08-15-2007, 10:50 PM
c_phillips3

Re: How tough is Enzo?

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it really depens on who lands the first big shot on the chin, enzo's got a better chin and i feel he may just have better stamina but hayes smother in what he does, it would be interesting fight and would draw in the boxing loving british public but as always there not able to make the fight due to both parties not really wanting it at this stage in life, maybe when there both in there 30's and on the way down

what do you mean enzo has a good chin are you on drugs or something every one knows he has a glass jaw you just have to look at the boxers he has been put in with non hard punchers he was put down twice by not hard punchers i know he recovers well after being hit but that still shows he has a glass jaw the first big puncher he goes in with will knock him spark ouy no problem
08-15-2007, 10:54 PM
c_phillips3

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Originally Posted by nuclear bull

it really deepens on who lands the first big shot on the chin, enzo's got a better chin and i feel he may just have better stamina but hayes smother in what he does, it would be interesting fight and would draw in the boxing loving british public but as always there not able to make the fight due to both parties not really wanting it at this stage in life, maybe when there both in there 30's and on the way down
08-15-2007, 10:56 PM
c_phillips3

Re: How tough is Enzo?

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Originally Posted by nuclear bull

it really depens on who lands the first big shot on the chin, enzo's got a better chin and i feel he may just have better stamina but hayes smother in what he does, it would be interesting fight and would draw in the boxing loving british public but as always there not able to make the fight due to both parties not really wanting it at this stage in life, maybe when there both in there 30's and on the way down

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08-15-2007, 10:57 PM
Preme

Re: How tough is Enzo?

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Originally Posted by nuclear bull

it really depens on who lands the first big shot on the chin, enzo's got a better chin and i feel he may just have better stamina but hayes smother in what he does, it would be interesting fight and would draw in the boxing loving british public but as always there not able to make the fight due to both parties not really wanting it at this stage in life, maybe when there both in there 30's and on the way down

what do you mean enzo has a good chin are you on drugs or something every one knows he has a glass jaw you just have to look at the boxers he has been put in with non hard punchers he was put down twice by not hard punchers i know he recovers well after being hit but that still shows he has a glass jaw the first big puncher he goes in with will knock him spark ouy no problem

so why didn't braithwaite put him down then? i mean after all he is one of the biggest punchers around...
08-16-2007, 01:42 AM
Scrap

Re: How tough is Enzo?

Enzo is still a baby, the improvement in 2 years is commendable. Where David has not improved the matchmaking has because it has to, everytime he comes up against a Boxer who fights back theres been a problem even in the Amatuers that tells me something and the people I talk to feel the same. Athletic he is, in this game its knowing how to use it. He will probably beat Mormick hes got a lot of miles on the clock, but whats happened four times before will happen again, bet your life on it
08-16-2007, 03:10 AM
Kev

Re: How tough is Enzo?

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Originally Posted by Scrap

Enzo is still a baby, the improvement in 2 years is commendable. Where David has not improved the matchmaking has because it has to, everytime he comes up against a Boxer who fights back theres been a problem even in the Amatuers that tells me something and the people I talk to feel the same. Athletic he is, in this game its knowing how to use it. He will probably beat Mormick hes got a lot of miles on the clock, but whats happened four times before will happen again, bet your life on it

I don't know his first round KO of Tomasz Bonin was more impressive than anything Enzo has ever done. Bonin was a top 20 rated heavyweight. Enzo is definitely improving but I still don't see a world class fighter there. I think Haye would get him out of there quick.

Braithwaite was a big step up for Enzo and he aced that test but Haye is bigger, faster and hits harder.

If it goes to the final third of the fight I'd say it swings Enzo's way but I just got this feeling that Haye would catch him early. I don't think Enzo has a glass jaw, but he certainly ain't no James Toney or Mike McCallum in the chin department. If he hits him he'll go.

Same holds true for Enzo catching Haye but I think Enzo is too slow to land, at least in the first half of the fight and that might be all the time Haye needs.

A great matchup though, explosives gauranteed and it really could go either way.
08-16-2007, 12:55 PM
Jimanuel Boogustus

Re: How tough is Enzo?

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Originally Posted by Scrap

Haye cant fight Enzo can. Enzo is learning his craft Haye isnt They are the things Ive noticed

Thats the imrpression i get too.

I mean obviously, their bound to operate differently even though their both bangers but Enzo is becoming a steady fighter and is working well all fight... Depending on his own toughness, this is bad for Haye.

Haye is still trying to blow people away (very effectively). And while he isnt gassing and crumbling, he's still shwoing signs of getting ragged if they guy infront of him dosent go away.

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