Re: Pacman training update:his sparring partners.
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Originally Posted by Preme
i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
If he beats Pac, then he will be the greatest. EM already accomplished that.
Re: Pacman training update:his sparring partners.
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Originally Posted by Preme
i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
That's quite ridiculous,no offence but there is NO WAY in hell that MAB is the greatest Mexican ever,there is not even a case for it. That title belongs to JCC or Sal Sanchez. Morales resume is on par with MAB's if not better too.
I've also read Manny weighs 136 pouds and will be sparring 130-150 rounds¬?¬?¬?!?!?!
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Preme
i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
That's quite ridiculous,no offence but there is NO WAY in hell that MAB is the greatest Mexican ever,there is not even a case for it. That title belongs to JCC or Sal Sanchez. Morales resume is on par with MAB's if not better too.
I've also read Manny weighs 136 pouds and will be sparring 130-150 rounds¬?¬?¬?!?!?!
how can a guy who barrera beat 2-1 in this prime be better than him?
barrera started long before morles, and was the brawler long befor people said morales was... is older yet morales became shot before barrera...
sure JCC was a warrior... but i could be wrong but im pretty sure barrera has been in fights with more p4p fighters than JCC, beaten more p4p fighters than jcc... marco is pushing on 70 pro fights, in this day that is fucking is crazy, 70 fights and still fighiting the best about and doing damn well to...
Re: Pacman training update:his sparring partners.
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Preme
i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
That's quite ridiculous,no offence but there is NO WAY in hell that MAB is the greatest Mexican ever,there is not even a case for it. That title belongs to JCC or Sal Sanchez. Morales resume is on par with MAB's if not better too.
I've also read Manny weighs 136 pouds and will be sparring 130-150 rounds¬?¬?¬?!?!?!
how can a guy who barrera beat 2-1 in this prime be better than him?
barrera started long before morles, and was the brawler long befor people said morales was... is older yet morales became shot before barrera...
sure JCC was a warrior... but i could be wrong but im pretty sure barrera has been in fights with more p4p fighters than JCC, beaten more p4p fighters than jcc... marco is pushing on 70 pro fights, in this day that is F****** is crazy, 70 fights and still fighiting the best about and doing damn well to...
This thread shouldn't turn into a Barrera vs. Morales debate. Both are legendary warriors. That being said...Barrera was able to adapt and extend his career...while Eric's inability to do so wore him down quicker. Not sure where i rate Marco all time on Mexico's greatest fighters list...but if he beats Pac...he is in the top 3.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
CC back Tam. Sorry,there were other sparing partners too but those are the ones I could remember. Urbano is supposed to be a decent all round fighter and Armando Cruz is a come forward pressure fighter so no,I don't think either are similar to MAB but they will give Manny tough tough rounds which is what he needs. I think he'll be able to figure out MAB's style,he did pretty well last time out ;D
yer they sparring partners sound pretty much okay. im hoping mab can have one last horahh and can push manny to the button but im thinking a manny pac UD here
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hey I want in on the sig bet ;D
pacman knocks out marco under 6 ;)
Re: Pacman training update:his sparring partners.
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Preme
i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
That's quite ridiculous,no offence but there is NO WAY in hell that MAB is the greatest Mexican ever,there is not even a case for it. That title belongs to JCC or Sal Sanchez. Morales resume is on par with MAB's if not better too.
I've also read Manny weighs 136 pouds and will be sparring 130-150 rounds¬?¬?¬?!?!?!
how can a guy who barrera beat 2-1 in this prime be better than him?
barrera started long before morles, and was the brawler long befor people said morales was... is older yet morales became shot before barrera...
sure JCC was a warrior... but i could be wrong but im pretty sure barrera has been in fights with more p4p fighters than JCC, beaten more p4p fighters than jcc... marco is pushing on 70 pro fights, in this day that is fucking is crazy, 70 fights and still fighiting the best about and doing damn well to...
although i'm a big morales fan as is el gamo, i think morales is at par with barrera and the 3 fights they had could have swung either way. morales got considered shot pretty fast after 2 consecutive fights with the pacman at 130lbs. he sure as hell did quite well in his last fight at lightweight which in my opinion he won even if he did fade in the last couple of rounds. i think erik can still continue fighting at lightweight if only he would maintain his weight close to the 135lbs lightweight limit and not balloon up to 170lbs in between fights. even at 135lbs i think losing so much weight takes it's toll on the body. erik might be on the slide but i honestly don't think he's shot.
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there will be a KO either really early in the fight or near the end. for pac
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Originally Posted by KKisser
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Preme
i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
That's quite ridiculous,no offence but there is NO WAY in hell that MAB is the greatest Mexican ever,there is not even a case for it. That title belongs to JCC or Sal Sanchez. Morales resume is on par with MAB's if not better too.
I've also read Manny weighs 136 pouds and will be sparring 130-150 rounds¬?¬?¬?!?!?!
how can a guy who barrera beat 2-1 in this prime be better than him?
barrera started long before morles, and was the brawler long befor people said morales was... is older yet morales became shot before barrera...
sure JCC was a warrior... but i could be wrong but im pretty sure barrera has been in fights with more p4p fighters than JCC, beaten more p4p fighters than jcc... marco is pushing on 70 pro fights, in this day that is F****** is crazy, 70 fights and still fighiting the best about and doing damn well to...
although i'm a big morales fan as is el gamo, i think morales is at par with barrera and the 3 fights they had could have swung either way. morales got considered shot pretty fast after 2 consecutive fights with the pacman at 130lbs. he sure as hell did quite well in his last fight at lightweight which in my opinion he won even if he did fade in the last couple of rounds. i think erik can still continue fighting at lightweight if only he would maintain his weight close to the 135lbs lightweight limit and not balloon up to 170lbs in between fights. even at 135lbs i think losing so much weight takes it's toll on the body. erik might be on the slide but i honestly don't think he's shot.
I think he is natural gordo.
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I'm going with Barrera in this one I think he boxes circles around Pac this time. Too much on the line for him not to come through. I'm with Preme if the odds are good enough I'm going with Barrera for one last hoorah!
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Preme
i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
That's quite ridiculous,no offence but there is NO WAY in hell that MAB is the greatest Mexican ever,there is not even a case for it. That title belongs to JCC or Sal Sanchez. Morales resume is on par with MAB's if not better too.
I've also read Manny weighs 136 pouds and will be sparring 130-150 rounds¬?¬?¬?!?!?!
how can a guy who barrera beat 2-1 in this prime be better than him?
barrera started long before morles, and was the brawler long befor people said morales was... is older yet morales became shot before barrera...
sure JCC was a warrior... but i could be wrong but im pretty sure barrera has been in fights with more p4p fighters than JCC, beaten more p4p fighters than jcc... marco is pushing on 70 pro fights, in this day that is F****** is crazy, 70 fights and still fighiting the best about and doing damn well to...
I agree with you Preme . Barrera is obviously better than Morales and i'd put him above Chavez too cuz Barrera can box aswel as brawl . Chavez was just very good at the style he had . Barrera too can retire on top when he beats Manny . Chavez lost too many fights to bums.
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Originally Posted by KKisser
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Preme
i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
That's quite ridiculous,no offence but there is NO WAY in hell that MAB is the greatest Mexican ever,there is not even a case for it. That title belongs to JCC or Sal Sanchez. Morales resume is on par with MAB's if not better too.
I've also read Manny weighs 136 pouds and will be sparring 130-150 rounds¬?¬?¬?!?!?!
how can a guy who barrera beat 2-1 in this prime be better than him?
barrera started long before morles, and was the brawler long befor people said morales was... is older yet morales became shot before barrera...
sure JCC was a warrior... but i could be wrong but im pretty sure barrera has been in fights with more p4p fighters than JCC, beaten more p4p fighters than jcc... marco is pushing on 70 pro fights, in this day that is fucking is crazy, 70 fights and still fighiting the best about and doing damn well to...
although i'm a big morales fan as is el gamo, i think morales is at par with barrera and the 3 fights they had could have swung either way. morales got considered shot pretty fast after 2 consecutive fights with the pacman at 130lbs. he sure as hell did quite well in his last fight at lightweight which in my opinion he won even if he did fade in the last couple of rounds. i think erik can still continue fighting at lightweight if only he would maintain his weight close to the 135lbs lightweight limit and not balloon up to 170lbs in between fights. even at 135lbs i think losing so much weight takes it's toll on the body. erik might be on the slide but i honestly don't think he's shot.
Preme,to say MAB has beat better names than JCC is ridiculous and you talk about longevity,JCC had way more. Morales has beaten Jones,MAB,Pac,In Jin Chi,an unbeaten Ayala,Hernandez,Espades,Chavez,Macollugh and Zaragoza.
Those are some great names. MAB has beaten Morales,Nas,Ayala(after Morales),Kelly(after Morales)Mckinney and Sanchez.
I know whos' resume looks better to me..Pretty easy if you know boxing..
As for how why Morales got shot quicker,he fought and warred with better fighters and he was weight drained for a lot of his last fights. MAB has been fighting longer,Morales has beaten far better fighters.
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Preme
i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
That's quite ridiculous,no offence but there is NO WAY in hell that MAB is the greatest Mexican ever,there is not even a case for it. That title belongs to JCC or Sal Sanchez. Morales resume is on par with MAB's if not better too.
I've also read Manny weighs 136 pouds and will be sparring 130-150 rounds¬?¬?¬?!?!?!
how can a guy who barrera beat 2-1 in this prime be better than him?
barrera started long before morles, and was the brawler long befor people said morales was... is older yet morales became shot before barrera...
sure JCC was a warrior... but i could be wrong but im pretty sure barrera has been in fights with more p4p fighters than JCC, beaten more p4p fighters than jcc... marco is pushing on 70 pro fights, in this day that is F****** is crazy, 70 fights and still fighiting the best about and doing damn well to...
I agree with you Preme . Barrera is obviously better than Morales and i'd put him above Chavez too cuz Barrera can box aswel as brawl . Chavez was just very good at the style he had . Barrera too can retire on top when he beats Manny . Chavez lost too many fights to bums.
I agree that Barrera is better than Morales. Against each other Barrera came out on top.
When it comes to quality of opposition it becomes more debatable. If Barrera can beat Pac then there is much less room for argument.
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ium going for barerra. sig bets welcome!
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by KKisser
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Preme
i consider marco the grestest mexican already, but i think if he beats pac and possibly a rematch with JMM he is without a doubt the bestt to ever come out of mexico
That's quite ridiculous,no offence but there is NO WAY in hell that MAB is the greatest Mexican ever,there is not even a case for it. That title belongs to JCC or Sal Sanchez. Morales resume is on par with MAB's if not better too.
I've also read Manny weighs 136 pouds and will be sparring 130-150 rounds¬?¬?¬?!?!?!
how can a guy who barrera beat 2-1 in this prime be better than him?
barrera started long before morles, and was the brawler long befor people said morales was... is older yet morales became shot before barrera...
sure JCC was a warrior... but i could be wrong but im pretty sure barrera has been in fights with more p4p fighters than JCC, beaten more p4p fighters than jcc... marco is pushing on 70 pro fights, in this day that is F****** is crazy, 70 fights and still fighiting the best about and doing damn well to...
although i'm a big morales fan as is el gamo, i think morales is at par with barrera and the 3 fights they had could have swung either way. morales got considered shot pretty fast after 2 consecutive fights with the pacman at 130lbs. he sure as hell did quite well in his last fight at lightweight which in my opinion he won even if he did fade in the last couple of rounds. i think erik can still continue fighting at lightweight if only he would maintain his weight close to the 135lbs lightweight limit and not balloon up to 170lbs in between fights. even at 135lbs i think losing so much weight takes it's toll on the body. erik might be on the slide but i honestly don't think he's shot.
Preme,to say MAB has beat better names than JCC is ridiculous and you talk about longevity,JCC had way more. Morales has beaten Jones,MAB,Pac,In Jin Chi,an unbeaten Ayala,Hernandez,Espades,Chavez,Macollugh and Zaragoza.
Those are some great names. MAB has beaten Morales,Nas,Ayala(after Morales),Kelly(after Morales)Mckinney and Sanchez.
I know whos' resume looks better to me..Pretty easy if you know boxing..
As for how why Morales got shot quicker,he fought and warred with better fighters and he was weight drained for a lot of his last fights. MAB has been fighting longer,Morales has beaten far better fighters.
The reason Morales has faded quicker than Marco isn't because he warred with BETTER fighters...it is because all he did was war instead of adapting his style. I love Morales as a fighter...a true warrior...but he wasn't the smartest fighter. His pride and unwillingness to change his fighting style cost him. The sad thing is that Eric is a great technical boxer...but he was to easily lured into a brawl. A perfect example of this is his three fights with Marco. He had a reach advantage against Barrera...but he rarely used it (jab, etc.). Marco got in his head and made him exchange up close rather than control the fights using his other skills. This of course made for 3 incredible and close fights...but it showed who the smarter and better all around fighter was. Barrera has extended his career because he can box, brawl, and use his head to fight tactical fights and adapt. I think their resumes are pretty even...but if Barrera can pull the upset against Pac...he should be considered as a good a Mexican fighter that has ever laced them up.
