Most celebrated boxing coach of all time.

Honorable mention: Gil Clancy

With all due respect, I recently spent 2 1/2 months, three days a week at the Wild Card gym in Hollywood- Freddie Roach's gym. Honest to God, I don't see it. I do not understand what the hoopla is all about. He is successful, mostly, with guys that other people taught how to fight, but I really and truly don't get it. I don't see what he adds.
His doorman/assistant, Mac, plays one hell of a game of boxing trivia and his brother Pepper punched me in the arm so hard I still feel it.

I have a real problem with Enzo Calzaghe being mentioned in the same sentence as Ray Arcel. Arcel was the master and is head and shoulders above Dundee and the rest of his contemporaries. The man learned his trade in stillmans Gym and trained the two greatest lightweights who ever lived, Benny Leonard and Roberto Duran. Dundee said that Arcel was as old as water and he was right, he was also as nourishing and fundamentally flawless as the clear life giving liquid.

Freddie Roach stands out in professional boxing. O0

Freddies a good coach and a very nice man. His recipe for crab cakes is outstanding. ;)

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Originally Posted by greynotsoold

With all due respect, I recently spent 2 1/2 months, three days a week at the Wild Card gym in Hollywood- Freddie Roach's gym. Honest to God, I don't see it. I do not understand what the hoopla is all about. He is successful, mostly, with guys that other people taught how to fight, but I really and truly don't get it. I don't see what he adds.
His doorman/assistant, Mac, plays one hell of a game of boxing trivia and his brother Pepper punched me in the arm so hard I still feel it.

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I hear he's good at keeping his fighters on point, some of the guys need a babysitter/trainer. Dont know how he compares as far as technique, when I watched the De La Hoya-Mayweather fight I was wondering why he wasnt livid about Oscar abandoning his jab,if I was Roach I would have tried to reverse Floyds usual role on him and make him come to Oscar, sometimes I question him....but nobodys right all the time...Like the Lazcano-Harris fight, didnt think giving away those first rounds by trying to execute his counterpunch stradegy helped.I give him alot of credit tho, he is the posterboy for people who have Parkinsons.

I concur on the honorable mention for Gill Clancy. A very astute and erudite fellow who narrated some of the finest action in ring history and proved his worth as a trainer time and time again.

I didn mention Manny Steward earlier, i met him personally before and altho i wasn't exactly enthralled by his attitude u gotta respect him as a coach.

Donny whys that

Well i met him in Cardiff at the Calzaghe fight, having met him a couple times previously. At first he fobbed me off saying he was "too busy," yet Merchant and Lampley were very friendly. So i approached him again, explained my situation (He's training a guy from my area (Andy)) and i was wondering if there would be room for me in Kronk in a year or so. Now i didn expect him to be "Oh my God, iv Found the One!!!!!" but i certainly didn expect "Whatever Kid."

I think as Greys says hes got a lot to thank Bill Miller for. Personaly I dont rate the man but hes a good saleman, spent time with Arcel , McCoy , Futch, all had tremendous insights of fighting plus all were very nice men.

i think Angelo Dundee is overated both Ali and Leonard where outstanding natural talents who any trainer could have taken to a title. i'd say Eddie Futch and Ray Arcel were top trainers.

Agreeing to an extent there Seanie.
And good to see ya CC

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Originally Posted by greynotsoold

With all due respect, I recently spent 2 1/2 months, three days a week at the Wild Card gym in Hollywood- Freddie Roach's gym. Honest to God, I don't see it. I do not understand what the hoopla is all about. He is successful, mostly, with guys that other people taught how to fight, but I really and truly don't get it. I don't see what he adds.
His doorman/assistant, Mac, plays one hell of a game of boxing trivia and his brother Pepper punched me in the arm so hard I still feel it.

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you obviously did not spend any quality time with the man, Roach is one of those guys that just inspires a person , . He is willing to help out with no strings attached. I found him terrific on the mitts. there lots to be learned from Roach, make no mistake.

Freddies physical condition sometimes hampers his ability to communicate , takes a bit of patience on part of the student , if you think out that… Patience in boxing is an important lesson in and of itself. So you gain something from the gate ! Top man in my book.

There are great trainers out there willing to help out , and give advise. One such fellow here at Saddo’s Mr. Scrap .. Lots to be learned from this man . Lucky to have him on the board. Top man.

I meant no disrespect to Freddie. I watched himfight many times, and, in meeting him, he is a gentleman. As you noted, he speaks very softly and it takes effort to hear him. Also, I am not privy to his converations, in private, with his fighters.
That said, I do not believe that he did much for DLH. Penalosa was there when I was there and I don't know how smart of a fight plan he executed against DeLeon- though it was the fight he trained for in sparring.
I don't mean to be confrontational, but, really, I don't get it. No aspersions on the man or his integrity or ability as such.