Re: All Time Pound For Pound List
Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)
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I said, in my opinion. And no, it doesn't show I know nothing about boxing, it doesn't mean that because a fighter is not American that he is defacto not better then Trinidad.
Someone in here said that nobody today can agree on a current P4P list so I don't expect you and I to agree on everything
Plus, remember that I wasn't ripping the guy just voicing my opinion so again, I can't be wrong, it's an opinion.
If you tell me that you don't agree, fine, but saying someone doesn't have any credibility because he prefers 21 world title defenses and an undefeated record over a very unidimensional Trinidad, you are missing what a conversation should be all about.
Im english and i totally disagree forgetting how many title defences Joe Calzaghe has all you have to do is look at there best wins.
Joe Calzaghe
Chris Eubank weight drained shot one
Richie Woodhall
Jeff Lacy
Charlers Brewer
Byron Mitchell
Mario Veight
Robin Reid
Felix Trinidad
Maurice Blocker
William Joppy
Oscar Delahoya
Pernell Whitaker shot one
Ricardo Mayorga
Fernando Vargas
David Reid
Luis Ramon Campas
Also Welterweight, Lightmiddleweight, Middleweight, champion of the world
Oscar Delahoya
Ricardo Mayorga
Arturo Gatti
Pernell Whitaker bit past his best
Ike Quartey
Luis Ramon Campas
Oba Carr
Fernando Vargas
Julio Cesar Chavez
Wilfredo Rivera
Hector Camacho
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Jesse James Leija
Genaro Hernandez
Rafael Ruelas
John John Molina
Also again Superfeatherweight, Lightweight, Lightwelterweight, Welterweight, Lightmiddleweight, Middleweight, champion of the world this isn't even debatable.
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Ok Ice Cold, point taken. I'll give in. Though, Chavez was shot when he fought DLH and so was Camacho.
But I still think, even after your demonstration, that Calzaghe should be in front of Trinidad. We'll see after Kessler and Hopkins.
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The original list was flawed because it lacked legitimate historical perspective.
As far as where current fighters will list,you wont really have an honest assesment until about 10 years after theyre retired.
Thats why Joe stepped up to take the Kessler fight,he knows he's fighting to have a legacy now,not just a belt
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Originally Posted by Azriel
I said, in my opinion. And no, it doesn't show I know nothing about boxing, it doesn't mean that because a fighter is not American that he is defacto not better then Trinidad.
Someone in here said that nobody today can agree on a current P4P list so I don't expect you and I to agree on everything
Plus, remember that I wasn't ripping the guy just voicing my opinion so again, I can't be wrong, it's an opinion.
If you tell me that you don't agree, fine, but saying someone doesn't have any credibility because he prefers 21 world title defenses and an undefeated record over a very unidimensional Trinidad, you are missing what a conversation should be all about.
Your going by numbers that don't tell the no where near the whole story. Calzaghe 21 defenses is a bogus record. Not only was he defending the low budget crappy ass title that is the WBO. But he defended it against 16 bums, 3 shot fighters, an overrated fighter and 1 prime fighter. And your impressed with that? Artur Grigorian defended the same crappy ass WBO title (Lightweight version) 17 times. And retired with a record of 37-1. You probably think he's and all time great as well, huh?
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Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)
manny paquiao?
pac is ahead of oscar on the all time list? shit pac has done well but beating a shot morales twice and barrera once is bollox
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Originally Posted by Azriel
Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)
manny paquiao?
pac is ahead of oscar on the all time list? S*** pac has done well but beating a shot morales twice and barrera once is bollox
I think Pac won more crucial competitive fights than Oscar did.
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Originally Posted by Azriel
Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)
manny paquiao?
pac is ahead of oscar on the all time list? S*** pac has done well but beating a shot morales twice and barrera once is bollox
I think Pac won more crucial competitive fights than Oscar did.
Let's no get carried away now
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Originally Posted by Azriel
Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)
manny paquiao?
pac is ahead of oscar on the all time list? S*** pac has done well but beating a shot morales twice and barrera once is bollox
I think Pac won more crucial competitive fights than Oscar did.
Please explain...............
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Originally Posted by Azriel
Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)
manny paquiao?
pac is ahead of oscar on the all time list? S*** pac has done well but beating a shot morales twice and barrera once is bollox
I think Pac won more crucial competitive fights than Oscar did.
Let's no get carried away now
Well, he was the chick magnet back in his prime. Oscar won against down the hill JCC, a runner against Trinindad, lost crucial fights with B-hop (massive liver shot), Mosley twice, PBF. Won against punk asses Vargas and Mayorga.
That's pretty much the highlights of his career. :-\
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Originally Posted by Azriel
Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)
manny paquiao?
pac is ahead of oscar on the all time list? S*** pac has done well but beating a shot morales twice and barrera once is bollox
I think Pac won more crucial competitive fights than Oscar did.
Let's no get carried away now
Well, he was the chick magnet back in his prime. Oscar won against down the hill JCC, a runner against Trinindad, lost crucial fights with B-hop (massive liver shot), Mosley twice, PBF. Won against punk asses Vargas and Mayorga.
That's pretty much the highlights of his career. :-\
OK now compare that with PAC.............
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by Azriel
Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)
manny paquiao?
pac is ahead of oscar on the all time list? S*** pac has done well but beating a shot morales twice and barrera once is bollox
I think Pac won more crucial competitive fights than Oscar did.
Let's no get carried away now
Well, he was the chick magnet back in his prime. Oscar won against down the hill JCC, a runner against Trinindad, lost crucial fights with B-hop (massive liver shot), Mosley twice, PBF. Won against punk asses Vargas and Mayorga.
That's pretty much the highlights of his career. :-\
lol hopkins? shit if he got taken out in the first round i wudnt care, oscare started winning world titles 5 weights lower than that!
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Originally Posted by Azriel
Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)
manny paquiao?
pac is ahead of oscar on the all time list? S*** pac has done well but beating a shot morales twice and barrera once is bollox
I think Pac won more crucial competitive fights than Oscar did.
Let's no get carried away now
Well, he was the chick magnet back in his prime. Oscar won against down the hill JCC, a runner against Trinindad, lost crucial fights with B-hop (massive liver shot), Mosley twice, PBF. Won against punk asses Vargas and Mayorga.
That's pretty much the highlights of his career. :-\
I guess them wins over Whitaker, Ruelas, Leija, Carr, Hernandez don't mean much
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Originally Posted by Azriel
Preme, don't blow a brain cell, I know he's fought nice competition and all, but to put him in front of Chavez, Pacquiao, Foreman to only name these three is ... IN MY OPINION, faulty. 8)
manny paquiao?
pac is ahead of oscar on the all time list? S*** pac has done well but beating a shot morales twice and barrera once is bollox
I think Pac won more crucial competitive fights than Oscar did.
Let's no get carried away now
Well, he was the chick magnet back in his prime. Oscar won against down the hill JCC, a runner against Trinindad, lost crucial fights with B-hop (massive liver shot), Mosley twice, PBF. Won against punk asses Vargas and Mayorga.
That's pretty much the highlights of his career. :-\
I guess them wins over Whitaker, Ruelas, Leija, Carr, Hernandez don't mean much
nop 'coz he lost a couple of times to some of the best p4p fighters at the time and ov all time... and even they were razor thin losses (hopkins excluded) it tarnishes his record...
