Re: Floyd Mayweather. A look at his recent opponents
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I'll give Mayweather the Diego Corales fight as Corales was in his prime and they were the same weight. He didn't exactly crush him it was just a bunch of flash knock downs due to Mayweathers bluring hand and foot speed but he beat him fairly easily. Mayweather also did very well against Castillo expecially in the second fight but look what Hatton did to Castillo when he tried to move up in weight.
If you look at the list above it doesnt contain any fighters that didnt go on to get beaten after Mayweather fought them. Infact most of them got beaten in better fashion by KO
If MAyweather beats Hatton then I'll give him plenty of credit but for the first time I can sense in Mayweathers interviews that he not looking past Hatton to future plans. Infact... I think he may even be a little scared
He has every reason to feel a little fear. He is facing an undefeated livebody for the first time in a long time.
Hatton really wants to bust him up. There will be no Gatti style boxing here. No Baldomir esque mismatch. No Zabesque loss of focus after 6. All those fighters revealed even before the fights that they were not a match.
Hatton is Floyds best opponent in many a year. Hatton doesnt know defeat nor thinks he is going to lose.
This is a great matchup and Ricky shouldnt be underestimated.
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Damn Miles, your make ME scared! :-\
Re: Floyd Mayweather. A look at his recent opponents
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Damn Miles, your make ME scared! :-\
I watched Taxi Driver again last night. Sorry Mr Boogie.
:coolclick: ;D
I just think Ricky really has a chance and a chance that none of Floyds recent opponents have had.
Ricky's guts and courage are somehing else and he will go to hell and back to pull this one off. He has a long history and boxing is in his blood, its all he knows.
If Lamotta can beat Robinson then Ricky has a chance against Mayweather. ;)
Re: Floyd Mayweather. A look at his recent opponents
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Since Floyd Mayweather has hit the 140’s and above who has he beaten?? Its not that the names on his record are bad it’s just that when you look at it more closely you see that his recent fights really were nothing to give him the credit or rating he has.
Let’s take a look at his last few opponents 140 and above
Demarcus Corley:
Mayweather couldn’t KO him and beat him over 12 rounds. Since then Corley has lost by TKO to Jose Alfor, Lost by UD to Jr Witter and lost by TKO to Miguel Cotto
Henry Bruseles:
This was an elimination bout that was made to keep Mayweather busy and is not worth mentioning. Henry has not really beaten anybody of note before or after this bout.
Shamba Mitchell
Mayweather KO’d him in 4 but Kostya Tsyu had already achieved this and Hatton has already stopped Tsyu and retired him. Which means he was close to retirement when he beat Shamba. Since the Mayweather fight Shamba has been KO’d in 4 by Paul Williams.
Arturo Gatti:
Mayweather steam rolled him. Since this fight he has lost by TKO to Carlos Baldomir and TKO in 7 to Alfonso Gomes(who)
Zab Judah:
Took Mayweather the whole 12 rounds but has just been KO’d by Miguel Cotto
Carlos Baldomir:
Gained the title from over the hill previous light welter Zab Judah just lost UD to Vernon Forrest.
Oscar De La Hoya:
WAY OVER THE HILL
This fight was a joke. Delahoyas size took him so far but he gassed and is a shadow of his former self.
I think Hatton has a much better chance here than I originally thought :)
I will make this statement EVERYTIME this topic comes up since it seems to be coming up more frequently.
You can do this to EVERY fighter today and pick apart their record like this. Yet you forget the fact that
PBF is naturally a superfeatherweight 130 pounds. He was fighting at 154 his last fight 4 full weight classes
up. It would be like Hatton facing someone at 160 like say Winky Wright who is actually older than ODLH.
IF you are going to pick apart PBF's recent fights, do the same for whomever you are comparing them too.
In this case you can talk about what world beaters Urango and Collazo are. And then the mandatory Hatton vs.
Tszyu fight which happened over 2 years and 6 million pints ago.
Re: Floyd Mayweather. A look at his recent opponents
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Mayweather also did very well against Castillo expecially in the second fight but look what Hatton did to Castillo when he tried to move up in weight.
Your first post was just another in a long line of biased rhetoric against Mayweather IMO, and this post proves it. You go through all Mayweather's recent opponents and point out the flaws, aka who they lost to before AND after their fights with Mayweather. BUT when it comes to hyping Hatton and comparing his fight with Castillo to Floyd's fight with Castillo, you CONVENIENTLY forget to mention the five years that passed between the fights, the two wars he had with Corrales in which he was stopped in the first fight, and the fact that he just barely got by Herman Ngoudjo before the Hatton fight. You talk about how OVER THE HILL De La Hoya was (which is rediculous), but yet you think the Castillo who fought Hatton was prime Castillo? Not even close.
Face it, you are a "hater". The board is full of them. They don't like a guy for whatever reason, so they try to twist and manipulate facts to justify their hatred. No credibility whatsoever.
Re: Floyd Mayweather. A look at his recent opponents
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Since Floyd Mayweather has hit the 140’s and above who has he beaten?? Its not that the names on his record are bad it’s just that when you look at it more closely you see that his recent fights really were nothing to give him the credit or rating he has.
Let’s take a look at his last few opponents 140 and above
Demarcus Corley:
Mayweather couldn’t KO him and beat him over 12 rounds. Since then Corley has lost by TKO to Jose Alfor, Lost by UD to Jr Witter and lost by TKO to Miguel Cotto
Henry Bruseles:
This was an elimination bout that was made to keep Mayweather busy and is not worth mentioning. Henry has not really beaten anybody of note before or after this bout.
Shamba Mitchell
Mayweather KO’d him in 4 but Kostya Tsyu had already achieved this and Hatton has already stopped Tsyu and retired him. Which means he was close to retirement when he beat Shamba. Since the Mayweather fight Shamba has been KO’d in 4 by Paul Williams.
Arturo Gatti:
Mayweather steam rolled him. Since this fight he has lost by TKO to Carlos Baldomir and TKO in 7 to Alfonso Gomes(who)
Zab Judah:
Took Mayweather the whole 12 rounds but has just been KO’d by Miguel Cotto
Carlos Baldomir:
Gained the title from over the hill previous light welter Zab Judah just lost UD to Vernon Forrest.
Oscar De La Hoya:
WAY OVER THE HILL
This fight was a joke. Delahoyas size took him so far but he gassed and is a shadow of his former self.
I think Hatton has a much better chance here than I originally thought :)
I will make this statement EVERYTIME this topic comes up since it seems to be coming up more frequently.
You can do this to EVERY fighter today and pick apart their record like this. Yet you forget the fact that
PBF is naturally a superfeatherweight 130 pounds. He was fighting at 154 his last fight 4 full weight classes
up. It would be like Hatton facing someone at 160 like say Winky Wright who is actually older than ODLH.
IF you are going to pick apart PBF's recent fights, do the same for whomever you are comparing them too.
In this case you can talk about what world beaters Urango and Collazo are. And then the mandatory Hatton vs.
Tszyu fight which happened over 2 years and 6 million pints ago.
Hatton beat Urango decisively and Hatton did beat Collazo. It wasnt pretty but neither was Mayweather: Castillo. Relative factors are indeed relative. Rematches usually show who a better fighter is and im sure Hatton: Collazo 2 would produce a nice result for Ricky too.
Maweathers recent opposition has been mediocre at best. Steady E made some succinct points.
My only issue is with the arguments saying what came after Maywether. Most fighters after their shot at the top lose more heavily thereafter. I did say most and not all.
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Since Floyd Mayweather has hit the 140’s and above who has he beaten?? Its not that the names on his record are bad it’s just that when you look at it more closely you see that his recent fights really were nothing to give him the credit or rating he has.
Let’s take a look at his last few opponents 140 and above
Demarcus Corley:
Mayweather couldn’t KO him and beat him over 12 rounds. Since then Corley has lost by TKO to Jose Alfor, Lost by UD to Jr Witter and lost by TKO to Miguel Cotto
Henry Bruseles:
This was an elimination bout that was made to keep Mayweather busy and is not worth mentioning. Henry has not really beaten anybody of note before or after this bout.
Shamba Mitchell
Mayweather KO’d him in 4 but Kostya Tsyu had already achieved this and Hatton has already stopped Tsyu and retired him. Which means he was close to retirement when he beat Shamba. Since the Mayweather fight Shamba has been KO’d in 4 by Paul Williams.
Arturo Gatti:
Mayweather steam rolled him. Since this fight he has lost by TKO to Carlos Baldomir and TKO in 7 to Alfonso Gomes(who)
Zab Judah:
Took Mayweather the whole 12 rounds but has just been KO’d by Miguel Cotto
Carlos Baldomir:
Gained the title from over the hill previous light welter Zab Judah just lost UD to Vernon Forrest.
Oscar De La Hoya:
WAY OVER THE HILL
This fight was a joke. Delahoyas size took him so far but he gassed and is a shadow of his former self.
I think Hatton has a much better chance here than I originally thought :)
I will make this statement EVERYTIME this topic comes up since it seems to be coming up more frequently.
You can do this to EVERY fighter today and pick apart their record like this. Yet you forget the fact that
PBF is naturally a superfeatherweight 130 pounds. He was fighting at 154 his last fight 4 full weight classes
up. It would be like Hatton facing someone at 160 like say Winky Wright who is actually older than ODLH.
IF you are going to pick apart PBF's recent fights, do the same for whomever you are comparing them too.
In this case you can talk about what world beaters Urango and Collazo are. And then the mandatory Hatton vs.
Tszyu fight which happened over 2 years and 6 million pints ago.
Hatton beat Urango decisively and Hatton did beat Collazo. It wasnt pretty but neither was Mayweather: Castillo. Relative factors are indeed relative. Rematches usually show who a better fighter is and
im sure Hatton: Collazo 2 would produce a nice result for Ricky too.
Maweathers recent opposition has been mediocre at best. Steady E made some succinct points.
My only issue is with the arguments saying what came after Maywether. Most fighters after their shot at the top lose more heavily thereafter. I did say most and not all.
Hatton's recent opposition has been mediocre as well.
I'm still upset that Hatton reneged on his rematch with Collazo.
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Originally Posted by steady_E
Since Floyd Mayweather has hit the 140’s and above who has he beaten?? Its not that the names on his record are bad it’s just that when you look at it more closely you see that his recent fights really were nothing to give him the credit or rating he has.
Let’s take a look at his last few opponents 140 and above
Demarcus Corley:
Mayweather couldn’t KO him and beat him over 12 rounds. Since then Corley has lost by TKO to Jose Alfor, Lost by UD to Jr Witter and lost by TKO to Miguel Cotto
Henry Bruseles:
This was an elimination bout that was made to keep Mayweather busy and is not worth mentioning. Henry has not really beaten anybody of note before or after this bout.
Shamba Mitchell
Mayweather KO’d him in 4 but Kostya Tsyu had already achieved this and Hatton has already stopped Tsyu and retired him. Which means he was close to retirement when he beat Shamba. Since the Mayweather fight Shamba has been KO’d in 4 by Paul Williams.
Arturo Gatti:
Mayweather steam rolled him. Since this fight he has lost by TKO to Carlos Baldomir and TKO in 7 to Alfonso Gomes(who)
Zab Judah:
Took Mayweather the whole 12 rounds but has just been KO’d by Miguel Cotto
Carlos Baldomir:
Gained the title from over the hill previous light welter Zab Judah just lost UD to Vernon Forrest.
Oscar De La Hoya:
WAY OVER THE HILL
This fight was a joke. Delahoyas size took him so far but he gassed and is a shadow of his former self.
I think Hatton has a much better chance here than I originally thought :)
I totally disagree you think Hatton has better chance because Mayweather hasn't fought great opposition in his last couple of fights ?? how about doing some research and watching fights like Chavez vs Mayweather Chavez is very similar style to Hatton and Mayweather broke him down and beat hell out of him in the end and case could be made that Hatton struggles with fast handed fighters remember the trouble he had with Collazo ?? your discrediting Floyd here but is Hatton's opposition that much better in his last fights ??
Kostya Tszyu = Just as past it as Oscar.
Jose Luis Castillo = looked terrible in his last fight before Hatton was also past it but it was impressive how Hatton won i give him credit.
Juan Urango = Got a gift decision winning his title and i had never heard of him before.
Luis Collazo = Again i had never heard of this guy before Hatton fight yet alot of people thought he deserved to win Hatton fight and he goes on to get schooled my Mosley.
Carlos Maussa = Hatton was also dropped in this fight i don't have to say about this guy you already know he isn't good yourself.
Ray Oliveira
Michael Stewart = Off the contender who lost in one of the first rounds i believe.
Is this list of opposition really any better than Mayweathers last couple of opposistion ??
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Yet you forget the fact that PBF had to starve himself for 2 days to make superfeatherweight.
;)
IMO Floyd was a nautural Light-Welter. (before he piled on the pounds)
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by steady_E
Since Floyd Mayweather has hit the 140’s and above who has he beaten?? Its not that the names on his record are bad it’s just that when you look at it more closely you see that his recent fights really were nothing to give him the credit or rating he has.
Let’s take a look at his last few opponents 140 and above
Demarcus Corley:
Mayweather couldn’t KO him and beat him over 12 rounds. Since then Corley has lost by TKO to Jose Alfor, Lost by UD to Jr Witter and lost by TKO to Miguel Cotto
Henry Bruseles:
This was an elimination bout that was made to keep Mayweather busy and is not worth mentioning. Henry has not really beaten anybody of note before or after this bout.
Shamba Mitchell
Mayweather KO’d him in 4 but Kostya Tsyu had already achieved this and Hatton has already stopped Tsyu and retired him. Which means he was close to retirement when he beat Shamba. Since the Mayweather fight Shamba has been KO’d in 4 by Paul Williams.
Arturo Gatti:
Mayweather steam rolled him. Since this fight he has lost by TKO to Carlos Baldomir and TKO in 7 to Alfonso Gomes(who)
Zab Judah:
Took Mayweather the whole 12 rounds but has just been KO’d by Miguel Cotto
Carlos Baldomir:
Gained the title from over the hill previous light welter Zab Judah just lost UD to Vernon Forrest.
Oscar De La Hoya:
WAY OVER THE HILL
This fight was a joke. Delahoyas size took him so far but he gassed and is a shadow of his former self.
I think Hatton has a much better chance here than I originally thought :)
I will make this statement EVERYTIME this topic comes up since it seems to be coming up more frequently.
You can do this to EVERY fighter today and pick apart their record like this. Yet you forget the fact that
PBF is naturally a superfeatherweight 130 pounds. He was fighting at 154 his last fight 4 full weight classes
up. It would be like Hatton facing someone at 160 like say Winky Wright who is actually older than ODLH.
IF you are going to pick apart PBF's recent fights, do the same for whomever you are comparing them too.
In this case you can talk about what world beaters Urango and Collazo are. And then the mandatory Hatton vs.
Tszyu fight which happened over 2 years and 6 million pints ago.
Hatton beat Urango decisively and Hatton did beat Collazo. It wasnt pretty but neither was Mayweather: Castillo. Relative factors are indeed relative. Rematches usually show who a better fighter is and
im sure Hatton: Collazo 2 would produce a nice result for Ricky too.
Maweathers recent opposition has been mediocre at best. Steady E made some succinct points.
My only issue is with the arguments saying what came after Maywether. Most fighters after their shot at the top lose more heavily thereafter. I did say most and not all.
Hatton's recent opposition has been mediocre as well.
I'm still upset that Hatton reneged on his rematch with Collazo.
Im annoyed by that too.
But this fight is a step back for neither fighter, and the winner sure gets a lot of clout.
The loser trails with a tail between the hind legs. Unbeaten records are at stake hear and a lot of pride too.
I cannot wait.
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"Kostya Tszyu = Just as past it as Oscar."
More past it IMO, and also coming off of a devistating injury that kept him out of action.
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I'll give Mayweather the Diego Corales fight as Corales was in his prime and they were the same weight. He didn't exactly crush him it was just a bunch of flash knock downs due to Mayweathers bluring hand and foot speed but he beat him fairly easily. Mayweather also did very well against Castillo expecially in the second fight but look what Hatton did to Castillo when he tried to move up in weight.
If you look at the list above it doesnt contain any fighters that didnt go on to get beaten after Mayweather fought them. Infact most of them got beaten in better fashion by KO
If MAyweather beats Hatton then I'll give him plenty of credit but for the first time I can sense in Mayweathers interviews that he not looking past Hatton to future plans. Infact... I think he may even be a little scared
Flash knockdowns ?? he hit Corrales with solid left hooks in 2 of the knockdowns if i remember right and they certainly wern't flash knockdowns this fight was one of the most one sided fights in history.
Also another great win for Floyd i would like to point out.
Genaro Hernandez = Who had never lost at superfeatherweight before and Oscar Delahoya was only man to beat him at that time and that was at Lightweight a very impressive win for Mayweather considering Hernandez had beaten Azumah Nelson yet Mayweather dominated Hernandez.
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by steady_E
Since Floyd Mayweather has hit the 140’s and above who has he beaten?? Its not that the names on his record are bad it’s just that when you look at it more closely you see that his recent fights really were nothing to give him the credit or rating he has.
Let’s take a look at his last few opponents 140 and above
Demarcus Corley:
Mayweather couldn’t KO him and beat him over 12 rounds. Since then Corley has lost by TKO to Jose Alfor, Lost by UD to Jr Witter and lost by TKO to Miguel Cotto
Henry Bruseles:
This was an elimination bout that was made to keep Mayweather busy and is not worth mentioning. Henry has not really beaten anybody of note before or after this bout.
Shamba Mitchell
Mayweather KO’d him in 4 but Kostya Tsyu had already achieved this and Hatton has already stopped Tsyu and retired him. Which means he was close to retirement when he beat Shamba. Since the Mayweather fight Shamba has been KO’d in 4 by Paul Williams.
Arturo Gatti:
Mayweather steam rolled him. Since this fight he has lost by TKO to Carlos Baldomir and TKO in 7 to Alfonso Gomes(who)
Zab Judah:
Took Mayweather the whole 12 rounds but has just been KO’d by Miguel Cotto
Carlos Baldomir:
Gained the title from over the hill previous light welter Zab Judah just lost UD to Vernon Forrest.
Oscar De La Hoya:
WAY OVER THE HILL
This fight was a joke. Delahoyas size took him so far but he gassed and is a shadow of his former self.
I think Hatton has a much better chance here than I originally thought :)
I will make this statement EVERYTIME this topic comes up since it seems to be coming up more frequently.
You can do this to EVERY fighter today and pick apart their record like this. Yet you forget the fact that
PBF is naturally a superfeatherweight 130 pounds. He was fighting at 154 his last fight 4 full weight classes
up. It would be like Hatton facing someone at 160 like say Winky Wright who is actually older than ODLH.
IF you are going to pick apart PBF's recent fights, do the same for whomever you are comparing them too.
In this case you can talk about what world beaters Urango and Collazo are. And then the mandatory Hatton vs.
Tszyu fight which happened over 2 years and 6 million pints ago.
Hatton beat Urango decisively and Hatton did beat Collazo. It wasnt pretty but neither was Mayweather: Castillo. Relative factors are indeed relative. Rematches usually show who a better fighter is and
im sure Hatton: Collazo 2 would produce a nice result for Ricky too.
Maweathers recent opposition has been mediocre at best. Steady E made some succinct points.
My only issue is with the arguments saying what came after Maywether. Most fighters after their shot at the top lose more heavily thereafter. I did say most and not all.
Hatton's recent opposition has been mediocre as well.
I'm still upset that Hatton reneged on his rematch with Collazo.
Im annoyed by that too.
But this fight is a step back for neither fighter, and the winner sure gets a lot of clout.
The loser trails with a tail between the hind legs. Unbeaten records are at stake hear and a lot of pride too.
I cannot wait.
I agree, whomever loses it will be a crushing blow, maybe not a career-ending one, but devastating none-the-less.
Here is my position on the fight, I favor PBF because of his style. I do not count out Hatton although I think the entire
fight will be determined on how successful he is in the first 3 rounds.
The mud-slinging and political spin put on these guys gets really old.
Of course both guys are gonna say they are gonna win by brutal KO, they are trying to sell the fight.
Of course they are gonna hype themselves and trash the other, they are trying to sell the fight.
Picking apart their records like this is completely pointless, it's in the past.
If you are trying to say Floyds record is not the best, put up someone elses so there are grounds for
comparison.
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Yet you forget the fact that PBF had to starve himself for 2 days to make superfeatherweight.
;)
IMO Floyd was a nautural superfeather. (as i now understand)
PBF had 25 fights at 130 no way was he struggling he has a small frame and he's only 5'8"
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yawn yawn yawn
the fight is still over 3mths away are we really gonna go on bout this 4 all that time? ::**
