Re: Top 10 all time welter weights
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
1. 'Mantequilla'
2. Griffith
3. SRL
4. Armstrong
5. Trinidad
6. Pernell
7. Britton
8. Lewis
9. ODLH
10. Ike
*I rank SRR as a Middleweight.
** I rank Duran as a Lighweight.
Good list but Griffith is too high imo.
Well to each is own... I think Griffith is underrated as a fighter. I also think hes rightfully where he belongs.
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
1. 'Mantequilla'
2. Griffith
3. SRL
4. Armstrong
5. Trinidad
6. Pernell
7. Britton
8. Lewis
9. ODLH
10. Ike
*I rank SRR as a Middleweight.
** I rank Duran as a Lighweight.
No hearns?
Well you know what I think fighters like Hearns are a bit hard to try and figure out what division to rank them in cause their stays in divsions weren't for too long and the ones they did stay in you have to look at quality of opposition and all.
Hearns career as a Welter falls short compared to the rest. He beat Espada & Cuevas and then lost to SRL.
I would rank Hearns as a Light Middleweight where he beat Benitez, Minchillo & Duran.
Re: Top 10 all time welter weights
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
1. 'Mantequilla'
2. Griffith
3. SRL
4. Armstrong
5. Trinidad
6. Pernell
7. Britton
8. Lewis
9. ODLH
10. Ike
*I rank SRR as a Middleweight.
** I rank Duran as a Lighweight.
Good list but Griffith is too high imo.
Well to each is own... I think Griffith is underrated as a fighter. I also think hes rightfully where he belongs.
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
1. 'Mantequilla'
2. Griffith
3. SRL
4. Armstrong
5. Trinidad
6. Pernell
7. Britton
8. Lewis
9. ODLH
10. Ike
*I rank SRR as a Middleweight.
** I rank Duran as a Lighweight.
No hearns?
Well you know what I think fighters like Hearns are a bit hard to try and figure out what division to rank them in cause their stays in divsions weren't for too long and the ones they did stay in you have to look at quality of opposition and all.
Hearns career as a Welter falls short compared to the rest. He beat Espada & Cuevas and then lost to SRL.
I would rank Hearns as a Light Middleweight where he beat Benitez, Minchillo & Duran.
You know what Mick i thought i would find it easy doing Welterweight list but it wasn't because most of them moved up in weight and i kept fiddling about with my list.
I hate it when i think i got it right then find another mistake and then keep fiddling about with my list and then once i start then i have to change my whole list frustrating i can tell you :)
Re: Top 10 all time welter weights
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
1. 'Mantequilla'
2. Griffith
3. SRL
4. Armstrong
5. Trinidad
6. Pernell
7. Britton
8. Lewis
9. ODLH
10. Ike
*I rank SRR as a Middleweight.
** I rank Duran as a Lighweight.
Good list but Griffith is too high imo.
Well to each is own... I think Griffith is underrated as a fighter. I also think hes rightfully where he belongs.
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
1. 'Mantequilla'
2. Griffith
3. SRL
4. Armstrong
5. Trinidad
6. Pernell
7. Britton
8. Lewis
9. ODLH
10. Ike
*I rank SRR as a Middleweight.
** I rank Duran as a Lighweight.
No hearns?
Well you know what I think fighters like Hearns are a bit hard to try and figure out what division to rank them in cause their stays in divsions weren't for too long and the ones they did stay in you have to look at quality of opposition and all.
Hearns career as a Welter falls short compared to the rest. He beat Espada & Cuevas and then lost to SRL.
I would rank Hearns as a Light Middleweight where he beat Benitez, Minchillo & Duran.
Yeah i guess its how u want to rank them. As u say Hearns best wins were probably at 154, but i think there is no doubt he is one of the top ten most talented ww' of all time. I see how it is tricky.
Re: Top 10 all time welter weights
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
You know what Mick i thought i would find it easy doing Welterweight list but it wasn't because most of them moved up in weight and i kept fiddling about with my list.
I hate it when i think i got it right then find another mistake and then keep fiddling about with my list and then once i start then i have to change my whole list frustrating i can tell you :)
I know what your saying ICB fighters moved up in weight and just didn't stay there for long...
Yet another reason why I ranked Griffith so high, it's a best Welterweight list as a Welter career.
Not who could beat who list, cause in that case I would list ODLH as #1 Welter cause I think he beats them all as a Welterweight.
Re: Top 10 all time welter weights
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
You know what Mick i thought i would find it easy doing Welterweight list but it wasn't because most of them moved up in weight and i kept fiddling about with my list.
I hate it when i think i got it right then find another mistake and then keep fiddling about with my list and then once i start then i have to change my whole list frustrating i can tell you :)
I know what your saying ICB fighters moved up in weight and just didn't stay there for long...
Yet another reason why I ranked Griffith so high, it's a best Welterweight list as a Welter career.
Not who could beat who list, cause in that case I would list ODLH as #1 Welter cause I think he beats them all as a Welterweight.
Agreed with most of your statement except last bit out of the ones you listed prime Whitaker would beat Oscar 100 percent in my mind and Ditto with SRL aswell and maybe Quartey but im not going to turn into a debate so i'll leave it there and :coolclick: for a good effort on your list.
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How would Oscar beat everyone if he lost to Mosely and to Tito wither or not you thought Tito won or not he stil beat Oscar i would also pick Sugar Ray Robinson to beat him Along with Sugar Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns but that is just me
Re: Top 10 all time welter weights
This is just me, but I only truly feel like I know a fighter if I have been alive and following boxing during their era, I couldn't truly tell you if I thought Henry Armstrong was better than Barney Ross.
Re: Top 10 all time welter weights
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
You know what Mick i thought i would find it easy doing Welterweight list but it wasn't because most of them moved up in weight and i kept fiddling about with my list.
I hate it when i think i got it right then find another mistake and then keep fiddling about with my list and then once i start then i have to change my whole list frustrating i can tell you :)
I know what your saying ICB fighters moved up in weight and just didn't stay there for long...
Yet another reason why I ranked Griffith so high, it's a best Welterweight list as a Welter career.
Not who could beat who list, cause in that case I would list ODLH as #1 Welter cause I think he beats them all as a Welterweight.
Oscar beats any welter in history?
I think you've been overdosing on Oscar's sexy new pics and are a bit giddy from the euphoria caused by 24 hours of solid wanking. You're rating him as the perfect tranny and not as a fighter imo.
Re: Top 10 all time welter weights
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
You know what Mick i thought i would find it easy doing Welterweight list but it wasn't because most of them moved up in weight and i kept fiddling about with my list.
I hate it when i think i got it right then find another mistake and then keep fiddling about with my list and then once i start then i have to change my whole list frustrating i can tell you :)
I know what your saying ICB fighters moved up in weight and just didn't stay there for long...
Yet another reason why I ranked Griffith so high, it's a best Welterweight list as a Welter career.
Not who could beat who list, cause in that case I would list ODLH as #1 Welter cause I think he beats them all as a Welterweight.
Oscar beats any welter in history?
I think you've been overdosing on Oscar's sexy new pics and are a bit giddy from the euphoria caused by 24 hours of solid wanking. You're rating him as the perfect tranny and not as a fighter imo.
Yeah i gotta say i think SRL, Hearns, etc would beat DLH. Hell he got beaten at ww by lesser fighters than those two.
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Oscar for the most part of his career was beat in the big fights but i not saying his bad but he is not the best welter there ever was
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And maybe we should make couple of different list because it is hard to compare fighters that are over 30 years apart but that might just be me
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First 2 in order the rest are just names I think belong
Sugar Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
Sugar Ray Leonard
Mickey Walker
Barney Ross
Emile Griffith
Carmen Basilio
Kid Gavilan
Luis Rodriguez
Re: Top 10 all time welter weights
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Originally Posted by BIG H
First 2 in order the rest are just names I think belong
Sugar Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
Sugar Ray Leonard
Mickey Walker
Barney Ross
Emile Griffith
Carmen Basilio
Kid Gavilan
Luis Rodriguez
Some pretty good lists here guys. H,who is Luis Rodriguez and Mickey Walker?
Re: Top 10 all time welter weights
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by BIG H
First 2 in order the rest are just names I think belong
Sugar Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
Sugar Ray Leonard
Mickey Walker
Barney Ross
Emile Griffith
Carmen Basilio
Kid Gavilan
Luis Rodriguez
Some pretty good lists here guys. H,who is Luis Rodriguez and Mickey Walker?
Cheers mate
Mickey Walker was an awesome fighter from the 20s and 30s - check him out
Rodriquez won the title from Emile Griffith - had an awesome record
Re: Top 10 all time welter weights
Wow,Wlaker seemed like a fierce fighter(just checking his records on the net) and Rodriguez fught alot of quality of opposition,did he lose to Griffith like 3 times via SD and won won UD?!
