Dream Match up KELLY PAVLIK vs LIBARDO ANDRADE

LOL,I like the sig VD. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)


Andrade clealry has a good chin and power too.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

LOL,I like the sig VD. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)


Andrade clealry has a good chin and power too.

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Yes he has power but fighting against who exactly ?? 25 wins and 19 kos.


Can you name one good fighter he has KO or stopped ?? except 39 year old Otis Grant.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Andrade has no defence he would be KTFO in middle rounds.

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That;s a bit premature. We have yet to see Kelly at 168 so it's no so easy to say. Librado took Kessler's bombs for 12 rounds and Mikkel is no slouch in the power department. This would be a cracking fight!!!! I'd have to wait to see Kelly at 168 but he would be favourite.

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I doubt Pavlik will have a hard time making 168 and Kessler is a decent puncher not devasting puncher like Pavlik.

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How can you compare their power? Besides Andrado walked right through Kessler's punches, and he hits hard himself... I see him ko'ing Pavlik.

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I feel Pavlik will win by late KO but no way Librado Ko's Kelly thats a bad statement bro.

I don't see that much in Andrade to be honest

Lets just see how Pavlik is at 168, I suspect his power will be even better than at 160 because of not having to make the weight.

I think it would be a great match up or Pavlik could go for Kessler. That one I would like to see rather than Kessler facing oldies like BHop or RJJ.

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Andrade has no defence he would be KTFO in middle rounds.

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Alright you're REALLY overrating Pavlik now.

I can't believe that. I know you're better then that, Adrande walked through EVERYTHING Mikkel Kessler threw and didn't even get wobbled, but Pavlik who would have to move up in weight would stop him in the middle rounds ???

I think Pavlik left TOO MUCH of an impression on you last night ::**

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Im with Ice hear, Pavlik knocks every mother fucker out, Kessler doesnt even hit that hard, Pavlik would probably be stronger at 168, hes 25/26 thats the only reason he has been at 160 hes young and his metabolism is now slowing down hes 6ft 2 inches. Andrade?? Wtf? Pavlik would finish him in 6 rounds probably earlier if you ask me.

Pavlik hits like a muel. He even said in an interview after the fight he wants to go to 168 so he can eat, man he will probably be even stronger at 168.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

I don't see that much in Andrade to be honest

Lets just see how Pavlik is at 168, I suspect his power will be even better than at 160 because of not having to make the weight.

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Totally agree :coolclick:

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Originally Posted by skel1983

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Andrade has no defence he would be KTFO in middle rounds.

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Alright you're REALLY overrating Pavlik now.

I can't believe that. I know you're better then that, Adrande walked through EVERYTHING Mikkel Kessler threw and didn't even get wobbled, but Pavlik who would have to move up in weight would stop him in the middle rounds ???

I think Pavlik left TOO MUCH of an impression on you last night ::**

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Im with Ice hear, Pavlik knocks every mother f***** out, Kessler doesnt even hit that hard, Pavlik would probably be stronger at 168, hes 25/26 thats the only reason he has been at 160 hes young and his metabolism is now slowing down hes 6ft 2 inches. Andrade?? Wtf? Pavlik would finish him in 6 rounds probably earlier if you ask me.

Pavlik hits like a muel. He even said in an interview after the fight he wants to go to 168 so he can eat, man he will probably be even stronger at 168.

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I agree he takes out Andrade who blocks punches with his face :coolclick: i don't really see what people are on about to be honest Andrade may have power but he has had less fights than Pavlik and has an even less KO percentage like i said who has Andrade stopped except an old man Otis Grant.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

I don't see that much in Andrade to be honest

Lets just see how Pavlik is at 168, I suspect his power will be even better than at 160 because of not having to make the weight.

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Totally agree :coolclick:

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Originally Posted by skel1983

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Andrade has no defence he would be KTFO in middle rounds.

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Alright you're REALLY overrating Pavlik now.

I can't believe that. I know you're better then that, Adrande walked through EVERYTHING Mikkel Kessler threw and didn't even get wobbled, but Pavlik who would have to move up in weight would stop him in the middle rounds ???

I think Pavlik left TOO MUCH of an impression on you last night ::**

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Im with Ice hear, Pavlik knocks every mother f***** out, Kessler doesnt even hit that hard, Pavlik would probably be stronger at 168, hes 25/26 thats the only reason he has been at 160 hes young and his metabolism is now slowing down hes 6ft 2 inches. Andrade?? Wtf? Pavlik would finish him in 6 rounds probably earlier if you ask me.

Pavlik hits like a muel. He even said in an interview after the fight he wants to go to 168 so he can eat, man he will probably be even stronger at 168.

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I agree he takes out Andrade who blocks punches with his face :coolclick: i don't really see what people are on about to be honest Andrade may have power but he has had less fights than Pavlik and has an even less KO percentage like i said who has Andrade stopped except an old man Otis Grant.

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You know what like VD said Pavlik's been down 4 times and was even rocked by an undersized middleweight named Zertuche.

And Adrande took clean shots(shots he saw and shots he didnt) from Kessler and walked through them.

There's no way Kelly Pavlik coming up from 168 would stand a chance to dent anything in Andrande's armor.

And Adrande can hit hard too, And Pavlik really is a guy who stands up right, he isn't a master boxer and his defense isn't that great either.

What he had was two people who he could beat from the outside which was Taylor and Miranda.

But Zertuche who is a fighter who can fight on the inside tagged him and tagged him often, showed that if you get on the inside with him he will have trouble. And Adrande can walk through what Pavlik throws and get to his chin, Pavlik ain't a defensive master either.

It isnt out of the question that Adrande could beat or even stop Pavlik

It isnt out of the question that Pavlik could win a decision. But it is out of the question in my book that Pavlik could put a dent in Adrande's chin. And Adrande isn't old, he's 29.

And he has a good workrate.

You may not see much in the room of defense, but if Adrande were to beat Pavlik, it wouldn't be on his slick boxing skills where defense would matter.

If he was gonna beat Pavlik he would have to outslug him, and that isn't beyond the realm of reality, in fact, its very likely.

And Pavlik came in 171 against Miranda? Kessler comes in dang near 190.

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Originally Posted by skel1983

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Andrade has no defence he would be KTFO in middle rounds.

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Alright you're REALLY overrating Pavlik now.

I can't believe that. I know you're better then that, Adrande walked through EVERYTHING Mikkel Kessler threw and didn't even get wobbled, but Pavlik who would have to move up in weight would stop him in the middle rounds ???

I think Pavlik left TOO MUCH of an impression on you last night ::**

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Im with Ice hear, Pavlik knocks every mother f***** out, Kessler doesnt even hit that hard, Pavlik would probably be stronger at 168, hes 25/26 thats the only reason he has been at 160 hes young and his metabolism is now slowing down hes 6ft 2 inches. Andrade?? Wtf? Pavlik would finish him in 6 rounds probably earlier if you ask me.

Pavlik hits like a muel. He even said in an interview after the fight he wants to go to 168 so he can eat, man he will probably be even stronger at 168.

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You must be off your rocker... Kessler hits very hard, and is physically stronger than Pavlik ,and Andrade wasn't affected much. Pavlik on the other hand was badly hurt by Taylor who doesn't hit anywhere near as hard as Andrade. Trying to compare guys with Kessler is like saying Zab Judah doesn't have huge ko capabilities, and because of that Baldomir's chin might not be all that great... When in fact there is probably nobody under 160 that could dent him.

Im willing to bet if they ever do fight Pavlik stops him with in 10 rounds.

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Originally Posted by skel1983

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Andrade has no defence he would be KTFO in middle rounds.

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Alright you're REALLY overrating Pavlik now.

I can't believe that. I know you're better then that, Adrande walked through EVERYTHING Mikkel Kessler threw and didn't even get wobbled, but Pavlik who would have to move up in weight would stop him in the middle rounds ???

I think Pavlik left TOO MUCH of an impression on you last night ::**

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Im with Ice hear, Pavlik knocks every mother f***** out, Kessler doesnt even hit that hard, Pavlik would probably be stronger at 168, hes 25/26 thats the only reason he has been at 160 hes young and his metabolism is now slowing down hes 6ft 2 inches. Andrade?? Wtf? Pavlik would finish him in 6 rounds probably earlier if you ask me.

Pavlik hits like a muel. He even said in an interview after the fight he wants to go to 168 so he can eat, man he will probably be even stronger at 168.

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You must be off your rocker... Kessler hits very hard, and is physically stronger than Pavlik ,and Andrade wasn't affected much. Pavlik on the other hand was badly hurt by Taylor who doesn't hit anywhere near as hard as Andrade. Trying to compare guys with Kessler is like saying Zab Judah doesn't have huge ko capabilities, and because of that Baldomir's chin might not be all that great... When in fact there is probably nobody under 160 that could dent him.

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Im off my rocker? Pavlik is a huge man who has had to boil down to make 160, he will be just fine at 168 and he hits alot harder than Kessler.

i find it laughable that people claim, that pavlik is such a power monster.. he hits hard, but he is not such a devastating puncher, he is being touted to be..

sure he hits hard, but he landed straight rignt hands flush on taylor and miranda throughout their fights, guys with good mw chins, but far from proven at smw.. and it took al ot of punishment for both taylor and miranda to go down..

let miranda and taylor fight calzaghe. kessler or bute, and they will be beaten as well..

was it you ice, that claimed kessler isnt a devastating puncher, but just decent.. thats just plain and pure ignorance.. for me kessler is as hard hitting as pavlik, the difference is, their style of fighting, pavlik is all in, kess is more conservative..

andrade would be bigger, equally as strong as pavlik, with a chin of concrete.. if they were to fight, no way in hell pavlik would ba backing andrade up, it would end up being a slugfest, and in such a fight, i would slightly favour andrade..

should pavlik choose to box, and not brawl, i would slightly favour him..

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Originally Posted by greatdane

i find it laughable that people claim, that pavlik is such a power monster.. he hits hard, but he is not such a devastating puncher, he is being touted to be..

sure he hits hard, but he landed straight rignt hands flush on taylor and miranda throughout their fights, guys with good mw chins, but far from proven at smw.. and it took al ot of punishment for both taylor and miranda to go down..

let miranda and taylor fight calzaghe. kessler or bute, and they will be beaten as well..

was it you ice, that claimed kessler isnt a devastating puncher, but just decent.. thats just plain and pure ignorance.. for me kessler is as hard hitting as pavlik, the difference is, their style of fighting, pavlik is all in, kess is more conservative..

andrade would be bigger, equally as strong as pavlik, with a chin of concrete.. if they were to fight, no way in hell pavlik would ba backing andrade up, it would end up being a slugfest, and in such a fight, i would slightly favour andrade..

should pavlik choose to box, and not brawl, i would slightly favour him..

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was it you ice, that claimed kessler isnt a devastating puncher, but just decent.. thats just plain and pure ignorance.. for me kessler is as hard hitting as pavlik,

Its called my opinion i have never thought Kessler is a devasting puncher.

Like i said what is so good about Andrade except a good chin ?? he has no defence no skills and just comes forward all the time and blocks punches with his face and has not stopped anyone who is that good except an old man Otis Grant Pavlik would slaughter Andrade and if they fight im willing to bet with you that he will stop Andrade inside of 10 rounds.

This is a fight I'd pay to see. I've honestly only seen a couple of Andrade fights, but you could throw sledgehammers at him and he's still going to stand there in front of you. It's a good thing it seems Pavlik has strong hands because he'll be hitting that dude all night. I see Pavlik winning a decision as he has very good conditioning and can keep the pace all night, but it could be one of those where he gets careless one too many times and gets floored. Kessler boxed him very well, but Kelly will just keep trying for the k.o. and may very well get caught, and as Violent Demise said, can Kelly take the punches at 168 as well as he does now??? Hope this fight happens.

I'm a fan of both fighters and Kelly is favourite but Andrade has a super chin and power too. It would be a war either way. And to whoever said Kessler does not hit hard,thats absurd. I'm certainly not syaing Andrade would win but it would be an absolute war!