Did you enjoy the Manny fight? I didnt,both fighters looked poor....

man, im with you Gamo. i was really pumped up for this fight as well. although i kinda blame mab for the outcome of this fight. i am disappointed in pac too. but everytime pac would set up to the rush.mab keeps back off or clinching him. i think pac and freddy prepared for an all out war since mab has been saying he wants revenge. pac came in with one plan and it was to go toe-to-toe with mab. their plan backfired when mab who said he had plan a b and c decided to use plan d which the plan to keep backing off and holding back. both fighters did look poor but mab looked like he had given up. he was dirty all night long as well. he looked liked he came in and cashed in his 2 million and did nothing at all.

I didnt enjoy the main event one bit but i did like Steven Luevano on the undercard he looked like a real quality fighter very impressed.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

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Originally Posted by LEGION

I agree El Gamo, very disappointing fight and I was pumped for a war. Oh, you can't always get what you want. Congrats to "Pacman" though, he won and that's that!! At least I know who my daddy is though, thanks to Pacstraight :'(

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LMAO,hahaha,I like it! Yeah man,I was not the only one,I've seen and heard of plenty of people dissappointed by the fight. I was not expecting an all out war but I dam sure as hell was expecting more effort from both fighters. There was more action in Manny's fight with the frighteningly weight drained Morales and their 3 rounds!

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Originally Posted by LEGION

Ang hell yeah Gamo, Andrade is my boy!!! I was actually more excited about seeing him then MAB/PAC. He is TOUGH, but so sloppy. I don't know why Mack stayed right there inside with him, that was dumb. Probably thought he could hit him at will and k.o. him. Well, he won't do that again. Someone wants to get to the top of the 168's, they'll have to get past Andrade!!!

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Yeah,I love Andrade,awesome fighter to watch,rugged,tough,sloppy but so so exciting. That was the best fight of that card imo. Mack made a big mistake standing and trading,he was doing better when he just blocked and countered. I was surprised he dropped Librado though,it was a temple shot wasn't it? And dam straight,Andrade is going to give anyone at the weight a tough,he's a good test to see if they are elite or not. Want to see him fight Froch or someone like that/

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Yeah, Andrade could get hit by a Greyhound bus and still get up. I'd hate to have to fight that dude in the street. F### that, I'd just shoot him ;D He got caught by a good shot but seemed off balance at the time and + the well placed shot put him down. I just laughed as I knew there was no way that was going to finish that guy. That knockdown is what gave Mack the illusion he could get away from a gameplan and boy oh boy, he made a bad decision. Live and learn ;)

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man, im with you Gamo. i was really pumped up for this fight as well. although i kinda blame mab for the outcome of this fight. i am disappointed in pac too. but everytime pac would set up to the rush.mab keeps back off or clinching him. i think pac and freddy prepared for an all out war since mab has been saying he wants revenge. pac came in with one plan and it was to go toe-to-toe with mab. their plan backfired when mab who said he had plan a b and c decided to use plan d which the plan to keep backing off and holding back. both fighters did look poor but mab looked like he had given up. he was dirty all night long as well. he looked liked he came in and cashed in his 2 million and did nothing at all.

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I'm glad you agree bro,I know you are a hardcore Pacfan. Yeah,MAB looked like he just wanted to survive but Manny should have been able to deal with him. It was just simple movement,surely they must have trained for MAB to use alot more movement than that??

I thought Roach was poor leading up to the fight with his comments,poor during the match with his lack of urgency/at times silence when Manny came to the corner and dissappointing after the fight in his assesment of the fight. He should have been honest and said Manny looked poor rather than saying he was impressed with Manny's footwork ??? ??? ??? He was off balance,his right hand was non existent and his pace and rythm was poor to say the least. The fact that he won with a performance like that reflects even worse on MAB.

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I didnt enjoy the main event one bit but i did like Steven Luevano on the undercard he looked like a real quality fighter very impressed.

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I didn't see that fight to be honest although I've heard good things about Lueveno.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I need to get this off my chest. That was a poor poor fight. 1 round was exciting,5 I think. Manny Pacquiao was very very poor. There is NO WAY I can call him the second best fighter in the world. Absolutely not. His balance was woeful. His combinations were terrible. Where was the right hand? His jab wand head movement were good but overall,he seemed so shy,so reticent.

MAB seemed content to survive. Even his corner told him to pick up the pace at 1 point and told him to do more!The scoring was woeful in the sense that it was way too exagerrated in favour of Manny but I had him winning. Roach was poor in the corner too,he didn't inject any sense of urgency into Manny.

I think the fame,the lifestyle has finally gotten to Manny. Put that version of Manny in with Soto,Guzman,JMM,he loses.Those guys are firing on all cylinders. Heck Valero would have given him hell.

Thank goodness for the war between Yusuf Mack and Librado Andrade on the undercard!!! And the McCline Peter and Santos Rivera fights. Far more exciting.

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:coolclick: Gamo. I hated the fight. TBH tho, I was expecting very little because the fight meant nothing. I frantically got my streamtvnow back so that I could watch the showtime show instead, which turned out to be much better. Unfortunately, it finished just in time for Pac-Barrera to start, and seeing as we're pretty starved of boxing in the UK, I decided to watch. Was begging for the end by the 8th tho.

Lueveno is a very slick kat; good things for him in the future. I was impressed with Davis too, game guy and no quit in him. I wouldn't mind seeing them fight again at some point.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I need to get this off my chest. That was a poor poor fight. 1 round was exciting,5 I think. Manny Pacquiao was very very poor. There is NO WAY I can call him the second best fighter in the world. Absolutely not. His balance was woeful. His combinations were terrible. Where was the right hand? His jab wand head movement were good but overall,he seemed so shy,so reticent.

MAB seemed content to survive. Even his corner told him to pick up the pace at 1 point and told him to do more!The scoring was woeful in the sense that it was way too exagerrated in favour of Manny but I had him winning. Roach was poor in the corner too,he didn't inject any sense of urgency into Manny.

I think the fame,the lifestyle has finally gotten to Manny. Put that version of Manny in with Soto,Guzman,JMM,he loses.Those guys are firing on all cylinders. Heck Valero would have given him hell.

Thank goodness for the war between Yusuf Mack and Librado Andrade on the undercard!!! And the McCline Peter and Santos Rivera fights. Far more exciting.

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:coolclick: Gamo. I hated the fight. TBH tho, I was expecting very little because the fight meant nothing. I frantically got my streamtvnow back so that I could watch the showtime show instead, which turned out to be much better. Unfortunately, it finished just in time for Pac-Barrera to start, and seeing as we're pretty starved of boxing in the UK, I decided to watch. Was begging for the end by the 8th tho.

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lol,cc back. I too was wondering when it would finish. I was just so disappointed.....And although HBO's card looked better on paper,showtimes actually turned out much better.

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Originally Posted by LEGION

Lueveno is a very slick kat; good things for him in the future. I was impressed with Davis too, game guy and no quit in him. I wouldn't mind seeing them fight again at some point.

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I hear good things about him all the time,I think I'll track this fight down.

Davis pritty much stood there and took a shit load of right hands i dont know how he stayed on his feet and finished the fight.

Disappointing fight. Barrera is old and Pac is slowing down

The Hbo commenators made the fight worse, very negative.

Watched the Setana version later and was much better ..
oh and fack the HBO judges ... actually the whole crew

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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft

I'll let you know in little while still haven't seen it yet.

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You Da Man ICB! :appl: You're the man of your words! :army:

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I need to get this off my chest. That was a poor poor fight. 1 round was exciting,5 I think. Manny Pacquiao was very very poor. There is NO WAY I can call him the second best fighter in the world. Absolutely not. His balance was woeful. His combinations were terrible. Where was the right hand? His jab wand head movement were good but overall,he seemed so shy,so reticent.

MAB seemed content to survive. Even his corner told him to pick up the pace at 1 point and told him to do more!The scoring was woeful in the sense that it was way too exagerrated in favour of Manny but I had him winning. Roach was poor in the corner too,he didn't inject any sense of urgency into Manny.

I think the fame,the lifestyle has finally gotten to Manny. Put that version of Manny in with Soto,Guzman,JMM,he loses.Those guys are firing on all cylinders. Heck Valero would have given him hell.

Thank goodness for the war between Yusuf Mack and Librado Andrade on the undercard!!! And the McCline Peter and Santos Rivera fights. Far more exciting.

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:coolclick: Totally agree. Manny looked like shit last night...BUT...everyone does have a bad night.

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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft

I'll let you know in little while still haven't seen it yet.

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You Da Man ICB! :appl: You're the man of your words! :army:

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Thanks bro like i said you won't see any sour grapes from me i give Pacquiao his props and i honour my bets.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I need to get this off my chest. That was a poor poor fight. 1 round was exciting,5 I think. Manny Pacquiao was very very poor. There is NO WAY I can call him the second best fighter in the world. Absolutely not. His balance was woeful. His combinations were terrible. Where was the right hand? His jab wand head movement were good but overall,he seemed so shy,so reticent.

MAB seemed content to survive. Even his corner told him to pick up the pace at 1 point and told him to do more!The scoring was woeful in the sense that it was way too exagerrated in favour of Manny but I had him winning. Roach was poor in the corner too,he didn't inject any sense of urgency into Manny.

I think the fame,the lifestyle has finally gotten to Manny. Put that version of Manny in with Soto,Guzman,JMM,he loses.Those guys are firing on all cylinders. Heck Valero would have given him hell.

Thank goodness for the war between Yusuf Mack and Librado Andrade on the undercard!!! And the McCline Peter and Santos Rivera fights. Far more exciting.

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:coolclick: Totally agree. Manny looked like shit last night...BUT...everyone does have a bad night.

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CC back,everyone has a bad night but if you're P4P,you're going to judged a little bit harsher. If you're fighting a guy you KTFO before,again,the criteria ge4ts harsher. If the guy you are fighting just wants to survive,that puches the envelope even further. I hope Manny gets his fire back but maybe he has reached his peak,maybe the fame,the pressure and all the other distractions have gotten to him? We'll find out next fight but if I was JMM/GUZMAN/SOTO,I'd want him now!

I agree he has reached his peak in the 3rd Morales fight.

These pressure high paced typed fighters dont last long.

Im betting that either Marquez/Soto beats him

If he goes up to 135 to fight likes of Katzidiz/Diaz he will get slaughtered

yeh, it was a dissapointment. Maybe this fight will make JMM want to gets this fight signed which would be great