Re: Road block to JMM v Manny2: $$$$$
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JMM should take the lesser purse, if he wins he will be in the money, sucess breeds success and makes money.
You have to also take into consideration that JMM is not young anymore and the main point,as I mentioned in the first post,MAB recieved $2mill,coming off a loss,no title belt and reiceved a whooping in their first fight.
JMM beat MAB,most thought he beat Manny and he has a title belt. It's also the fight fans want to see. JMM deseves the same in my opinion.
I agree with you Gamo like you said Barrera got that amount coming off a loss to Marquez and had no belt and got one sided beating in the first fight with Manny so why should Marquez get shafted like that ?? he gave Pacquiao a hell of a fight it was FOTY and beat Barrera and fans everywhere want to see who really is the best so i don't understand why he can't get the same.
Exactly.CC.
:coolclick: back bro one question i want to ask is why there wasn't automatic rematch between Marquez and Pacquiao ??
A number of reasons,the main being money again. Plus Nacho Beristein who is the yoda of trainers but is quite possibly the worst manager ever. He thought it would be better for JMM to fight John in Indonesia for a low sum,maybe to prove a point? Who knows,but it backfired.
thats what i was gonna say. he priced himself too much for fighting pac and he signed a 30 grand fight in indonesia. i guess now hes trying to make up for the money he could have made for fighting pac in a rematch
Re: Road block to JMM v Manny2: $$$$$
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Plus Nacho Beristein who is the yoda of trainers but is quite possibly the worst manager ever. He thought it would be better for JMM to fight John in Indonesia for a low sum,maybe to prove a point? Who knows,but it backfired.
Not sure how true it is, but Beristein claims that they had an agreement to rematch Pac for an agreed-upon amount of money (I forget what the $ figure was). Then Pac's team came back and offered them less $$$ than they had originally agreed upon. So Marquez/Beristain rejected the fight on principle because they felt they were being lowballed.
Fighting John for 30K was definitely a dumb move though. Either get more money or fight an easy opponent in the states.
Re: Road block to JMM v Manny2: $$$$$
Listen to how fricking stupid that sounds. MAB,got $2million for the Pacman fight as did Pacman...but JMM wants the same amount,he's a champ,just beat MAB and it's too much?? El Gamo
I missed where it says that Marquez wants $2 million to fight Pac.
I see that part where it mentions Barrera got the same $2 million that Pacquiao got, but maybe Marquez wants more than $2 million.
Re: Road block to JMM v Manny2: $$$$$
My reasons the rematch probably didnt happen:
*Obviously the money posed as a problem which is the most known reason for the rematch not happening.
*Marquez beat (by decision) lesser known fighters in Orlando Solido and Victor Polo. Then eventually got screwed against Chris John. But in the end, that put a loss in his record and made him less credible to fight Pacquiao again. Pacquiao on the other hand viciously knocked out his next opponent, Fahsan Battery, then lost to Erik Morales in one hell of a fight. He then knocked out Hector Velazquez and Morales two times, plus a decision over Larios.
*On paper after they fought the first time the resume is not even close.
Marquez: W12 Solido, W12 Polo, L12 John, TKO7 Terdsak Jandaeng, KO9 Jimrex Jaca.
Pacquiao: TKO4 Battery, L12 Morales, TKO6 Velazquez, TKO10 Morales, W12 Larios, TKO3 Morales, TKO8 Solis.
All-in-all if you asked the general question on what happened with Marquez and Pacquiao after they fought you would hear "Marquez lost to some guy" and "Pacquiao won a violent trilogy against Morales."
*The promotional war between Golden Boy and Top Rank over Pacquiao also didn't help the cause for the rematch.
*Once Marquez beat Barrera, that put him on the map again and showed he has what it takes to get in the ring with Pacquiao. The public, aside from the die-hard boxing fans, needed concrete evidence the rematch would compare to the first. Marquez is set up to fight Juarez next. That would put another somewhat big name to his resume (even though Juarez is the luckiest and most undeserving fighter in the division) but it is still infact a name. There no better set-up for the rematch with Pacquiao.
Any thoughts on my theory?
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Plus Nacho Beristein who is the yoda of trainers but is quite possibly the worst manager ever. He thought it would be better for JMM to fight John in Indonesia for a low sum,maybe to prove a point? Who knows,but it backfired.
Not sure how true it is, but Beristein claims that they had an agreement to rematch Pac for an agreed-upon amount of money (I forget what the $ figure was). Then Pac's team came back and offered them less $$$ than they had originally agreed upon. So Marquez/Beristain rejected the fight on principle because they felt they were being lowballed.
Fighting John for 30K was definitely a dumb move though. Either get more money or fight an easy opponent in the states.
I'm sure I've read that somewhere too but either way,the rematch must happen now. There are no more excuses.
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Listen to how fricking stupid that sounds. MAB,got $2million for the Pacman fight as did Pacman...but JMM wants the same amount,he's a champ,just beat MAB and it's too much?? El Gamo
I missed where it says that Marquez wants $2 million to fight Pac.
I see that part where it mentions Barrera got the same $2 million that Pacquiao got, but maybe Marquez wants more than $2 million.
Sorry BG my man,poor wording on my behalf. JMM wants the same amount as Manny,so whatever Manny gets,he wants the same,and I used MAB as a point(ie he recieved the same as Manny coming off a loss,no title and beaten before etc)
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My reasons the rematch probably didnt happen:
*Obviously the money posed as a problem which is the most known reason for the rematch not happening.
*Marquez beat (by decision) lesser known fighters in Orlando Solido and Victor Polo. Then eventually got screwed against Chris John. But in the end, that put a loss in his record and made him less credible to fight Pacquiao again. Pacquiao on the other hand viciously knocked out his next opponent, Fahsan Battery, then lost to Erik Morales in one hell of a fight. He then knocked out Hector Velazquez and Morales two times, plus a decision over Larios.
*On paper after they fought the first time the resume is not even close.
Marquez: W12 Solido, W12 Polo, L12 John, TKO7 Terdsak Jandaeng, KO9 Jimrex Jaca.
Pacquiao: TKO4 Battery, L12 Morales, TKO6 Velazquez, TKO10 Morales, W12 Larios, TKO3 Morales, TKO8 Solis.
All-in-all if you asked the general question on what happened with Marquez and Pacquiao after they fought you would hear "Marquez lost to some guy" and "Pacquiao won a violent trilogy against Morales."
*The promotional war between Golden Boy and Top Rank over Pacquiao also didn't help the cause for the rematch.
*Once Marquez beat Barrera, that put him on the map again and showed he has what it takes to get in the ring with Pacquiao. The public, aside from the die-hard boxing fans, needed concrete evidence the rematch would compare to the first. Marquez is set up to fight Juarez next. That would put another somewhat big name to his resume (even though Juarez is the luckiest and most undeserving fighter in the division) but it is still infact a name. There no better set-up for the rematch with Pacquiao.
Any thoughts on my theory?
An excellent ttheory but I disagree with 1 thing. JMM's loss to John was a poor decision but as you correctly stated,an L on his record, but guys like Larios,Fahsan etc had lost too so I don't think it was that big a deal. Heck lot of people did not know he lost to Johna and a few didn't even know they were fighting/have not seen it. So I don't think that loss does too much damage JMM's image so to speak.
Re: Road block to JMM v Manny2: $$$$$
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Personally...I think that they both should get the even money split.
I also think that there's a bit of fear coming from both camps & nothing anyone says will change my mind until the dotted lines are signed.
Money should not get in the way here. This fight makes a boat-load of sense & it sure as S*** could be marketed to make an a**-load of money.
Hello. I am new to this forum. I registered after reading this thread.
Anyway, I disagree that Marquez should get even money with Pac. Purse split should be at least 70-30 or 60-40 in favor of Pac. Why? Because Pac is the bigger draw. Do you see people lining up and challenging Marquez? NO. With Pac, people who have called-out Pac included Casamayor, JMM, Sotto, Joan Guzman, Valero, Katisidis, etc. Clearly then, Pacquiao is the bigger draw, and thus, deserves more money. It is the same reason why De la Hoya got a bigger purse than Mayweather although Mayweather was the pound-for-pound king. I fail to see why you guys missed this point!
If Pac doesn't fight JMM, he can still get multi-million dollar purses fighting any of the challengers mentioned above. Can Marquez do the same? NO. If JMM can accept $50,000 purse fighting a championship fight (because NO PROMOTER wanted to bid on the fight: read JMM is not saleable), why is he demanding EVEN money with Pacquiao?
It doesn't make sense and Pac knows it. When Pac fought Morales the first and second time, he got LESS money than Morales. Pac took the fight with no complaints. JMM should do the same.
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Which goes back to my original statement that Paq is the high profile fighter and should get the greater share as he is the known fighter.
caleoh12 CC
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Which goes back to my original statement that Paq is the high profile fighter and should get the greater share as he is the known fighter.
caleoh12 CC
Leading back to my point that a guy he beat,a guy JMM beat,a guy with no title,MAB,got the same as Manny in their fight. So why not JMM?
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Regarding MAB getting even money with Pac:
Remember that MAB is a crowd-drawer. He has a big fan base owing to his previous legendary fights with Morales and Hamed. Same goes with Morales. But JMM is NOT in the league of MAB and Morales in terms of fan-following. Why? Because JMM has a boring boxing style for most average boxing fans. That is why JMM had to accept a $50,000 fight in Indonesia because no promoter would want to promote his fight for greater than that amount.
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"In the meantime, Pacquiao’s close friend and confidant Rex “Wakee” Salud said the problem in arranging a rematch with World Boxing Council super featherweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez was that he was asking for too much.
But Marquez’s handlers have maintained that he is the champion and should not get less than the challenger even though the challenger is Pacquiao. Now they are certain to point to the fact that according to the Nevada State Athletic Commission, Barrera got the same $2-million purse as Pacquiao and Barrera had no belt and was beaten by Marquez in his last fight"
Listen to how fricking stupid that sounds. MAB,got $2million for the Pacman fight as did Pacman...but JMM wants the same amount,he's a champ,just beat MAB and it's too much??
yea thats true both mab and pac got 2million each, the problem with jmm is his not as big as pac or mab that is why his purse is an issue. Even though since jmm lost to chris john, he has been trying his best to be as popular and entertaining as mab and pac the sad reality is he just can't be as big as them.
yea jmm beat mab and he won majority of the rounds in the first fight with pac, but if he really wants to be as big as pac and mab he'll have to settle for less for now til he beats the man that has beaten everyone except himself.
I don't think there is any point in critizing pac if it isn't him that makes the deal, he isn't the one who would decide how much jmm will make. its up to the bosses not the fighters, unfortunetly for jmm the bosses don't think his as big as mab and pac so he shouldn't get more than any.
But didn't he settle for less against mab, but why not pac? could be cause he is taking a huge risk with having to escape pacs fury again.
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Which goes back to my original statement that Paq is the high profile fighter and should get the greater share as he is the known fighter.
caleoh12 CC
Leading back to my point that a guy he beat,a guy JMM beat,a guy with no title,MAB,got the same as Manny in their fight. So why not JMM?
It is not a question of who beats who. It is about who BRINGS BUTTS on the SEATS. Why did ODLH get a higher payday than Mayweather?
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Personally...I think that they both should get the even money split.
I also think that there's a bit of fear coming from both camps & nothing anyone says will change my mind until the dotted lines are signed.
Money should not get in the way here. This fight makes a boat-load of sense & it sure as S*** could be marketed to make an a**-load of money.
Hello. I am new to this forum. I registered after reading this thread.
Anyway, I disagree that Marquez should get even money with Pac. Purse split should be at least 70-30 or 60-40 in favor of Pac. Why? Because Pac is the bigger draw. Do you see people lining up and challenging Marquez? NO. With Pac, people who have called-out Pac included Casamayor, JMM, Sotto, Joan Guzman, Valero, Katisidis, etc. Clearly then, Pacquiao is the bigger draw, and thus, deserves more money. It is the same reason why De la Hoya got a bigger purse than Mayweather although Mayweather was the pound-for-pound king. I fail to see why you guys missed this point!
If Pac doesn't fight JMM, he can still get multi-million dollar purses fighting any of the challengers mentioned above. Can Marquez do the same? NO. If JMM can accept $50,000 purse fighting a championship fight (because NO PROMOTER wanted to bid on the fight: read JMM is not saleable), why is he demanding EVEN money with Pacquiao?
It doesn't make sense and Pac knows it. When Pac fought Morales the first and second time, he got LESS money than Morales. Pac took the fight with no complaints. JMM should do the same.
Absolutely right on the money on that reply! Welcome to the forum by the way...
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Personally...I think that they both should get the even money split.
I also think that there's a bit of fear coming from both camps & nothing anyone says will change my mind until the dotted lines are signed.
Money should not get in the way here. This fight makes a boat-load of sense & it sure as S*** could be marketed to make an a**-load of money.
Hello. I am new to this forum. I registered after reading this thread.
Anyway, I disagree that Marquez should get even money with Pac. Purse split should be at least 70-30 or 60-40 in favor of Pac. Why? Because Pac is the bigger draw. Do you see people lining up and challenging Marquez? NO. With Pac, people who have called-out Pac included Casamayor, JMM, Sotto, Joan Guzman, Valero, Katisidis, etc. Clearly then, Pacquiao is the bigger draw, and thus, deserves more money. It is the same reason why De la Hoya got a bigger purse than Mayweather although Mayweather was the pound-for-pound king. I fail to see why you guys missed this point!
If Pac doesn't fight JMM, he can still get multi-million dollar purses fighting any of the challengers mentioned above. Can Marquez do the same? NO. If JMM can accept $50,000 purse fighting a championship fight (because NO PROMOTER wanted to bid on the fight: read JMM is not saleable), why is he demanding EVEN money with Pacquiao?
It doesn't make sense and Pac knows it. When Pac fought Morales the first and second time, he got LESS money than Morales. Pac took the fight with no complaints. JMM should do the same.
This is an outdated statement. JMM is no longer that guy he was a few years back. He's the legitimate champ and PAC knows that ;)
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Re: Road block to JMM v Manny2: $$$$$
Welcome Key pool CC as I agree with you.
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Which goes back to my original statement that Paq is the high profile fighter and should get the greater share as he is the known fighter.
caleoh12 CC
Leading back to my point that a guy he beat,a guy JMM beat,a guy with no title,MAB,got the same as Manny in their fight. So why not JMM?
It is not a question of who beats who. It is about who BRINGS BUTTS on the SEATS. Why did ODLH get a higher payday than Mayweather?
Cause Oscar basically rules all in the boxing world! lol.
