Re: Why did Hamed fight Barrera and not Morales?
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Also don't forget Marquez Naseem ducked him like the plague.
Marquez was a nobody back then. And then when he got his shot against Norwood he lost.
And Cesar Soto, Augie Sanchez, were really that much more known than Marquez ?? and you also forget Marquez gave Norwood all he could handle who was 35-0 World champion.
Have you seen that fight, Ice?
Yes i have it was a bit of an ugly affair but it was close fight Marquez was down in the second from a left hand and Norwood was down in the 9th but it was flash knockdown i can't remember how i scored it but it was very close fight.
A quality fighter that offers nothing and is in shit fights.
Why would you fight him? ;)
Re: Why did Hamed fight Barrera and not Morales?
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Also don't forget Marquez Naseem ducked him like the plague.
Marquez was a nobody back then. And then when he got his shot against Norwood he lost.
And Cesar Soto, Augie Sanchez, were really that much more known than Marquez ?? and you also forget Marquez gave Norwood all he could handle who was 35-0 World champion.
Have you seen that fight, Ice?
Yes i have it was a bit of an ugly affair but it was close fight Marquez was down in the second from a left hand and Norwood was down in the 9th but it was flash knockdown i can't remember how i scored it but it was very close fight.
A quality fighter that offers nothing and is in S*** fights.
Why would you fight him? ;)
You can't be in crowd pleasing fights all the time but he still deserved his shot and while we are on the subject why didn't Naz fight Norwood either ??
Re: Why did Hamed fight Barrera and not Morales?
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Also don't forget Marquez Naseem ducked him like the plague.
Marquez was a nobody back then. And then when he got his shot against Norwood he lost.
And Cesar Soto, Augie Sanchez, were really that much more known than Marquez ?? and you also forget Marquez gave Norwood all he could handle who was 35-0 World champion.
Have you seen that fight, Ice?
Yes i have it was a bit of an ugly affair but it was close fight Marquez was down in the second from a left hand and Norwood was down in the 9th but it was flash knockdown i can't remember how i scored it but it was very close fight.
A quality fighter that offers nothing and is in S*** fights.
Why would you fight him? ;)
You can't be in crowd pleasing fights all the time but he still deserved his shot and while we are on the subject why didn't Naz fight Norwood either ??
HBO didn't want it, they thought it would be a shit fight. And around that time Hamed fought Soto for the WBC belt instead.
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Also don't forget Marquez Naseem ducked him like the plague.
Marquez was a nobody back then. And then when he got his shot against Norwood he lost.
And Cesar Soto, Augie Sanchez, were really that much more known than Marquez ?? and you also forget Marquez gave Norwood all he could handle who was 35-0 World champion.
Have you seen that fight, Ice?
Yes i have it was a bit of an ugly affair but it was close fight Marquez was down in the second from a left hand and Norwood was down in the 9th but it was flash knockdown i can't remember how i scored it but it was very close fight.
A quality fighter that offers nothing and is in S*** fights.
Why would you fight him? ;)
You can't be in crowd pleasing fights all the time but he still deserved his shot and while we are on the subject why didn't Naz fight Norwood either ??
I think the point is it was big risk, little reward. And with other fights on the cards, why take that risk?
Besides, in hindsight (even just before they eventually fought) it wasn't damaging to Barreras career, not taking him on, was it?
IMO, it probably would of been far more damaging not taking Hamed on ;)
Re: Why did Hamed fight Barrera and not Morales?
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I was watching Barrera-Morales I the other day (for about the 100th time), and in-between rounds they show Hamed's brother sitting in the stands. The HBO crew commented that he was there scouting Barrera and Morales, because Naz wanted to fight the winner at 126 pounds.
Morales of course won the fight (the Fight of the Decade in my opinion) on a controversial decision. Many people thought Barrera deserved the win, although I've always felt the decision was correct and that Erik had earned the victory. (I thought Erik also won the 2nd fight with Barrera but that's besides the point).
So my question is... if Hamed wanted the winner, why did he fight Barrera instead of Morales??
1. Did he think that Barrera really won the fight, and therefore thought he deserved the shot? (I don't think this answer is the one.)
2. Did he think Morales was more dangerous than Barrera, and therefore chose the opponent who he thought would be easier to face? (More likely.)
3. Did he try to fight Morales, but a deal couldn't be worked out?
Does anyone know?
Everyone knew Barrera beat Morales in the 1st fight so if Hamed beat Morales he would have got little cred . He needed his defining fight to be against the top dog but it was a bad choice . In hindsight im sure he wishes he met Morales who was much easier to hit and had less boxing ability .
Re: Why did Hamed fight Barrera and not Morales?
Hamed fought MAB on the basis that Junior Jones had koed him , so he figured that at some point he would do the same , of course both fighters were far to good for hamed in my opinion , Morales would probably have KOED Hamed.
Re: Why did Hamed fight Barrera and not Morales?
Morales isn't as smart as Barrera
Naz would of hit him, and if Naz can hit you he can hurt you.
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Morales isn't as smart as Barrera
Naz would of hit him, and if Naz can hit you he can hurt you.
Prime Morales had granite chin i would pick the Morales who fought Pacquiao in 1st fight over any version of Naz any day.
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Morales isn't as smart as Barrera
Naz would of hit him, and if Naz can hit you he can hurt you.
Prime Morales had granite chin i would pick the Morales who fought Pacquiao in 1st fight over any version of Naz any day.
The Morales that fought Pac first fight would have been knocked unconcious by Naz. Naz would have only had to hit him with around 10% of the shots Pac did to make him sleep.
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Morales isn't as smart as Barrera
Naz would of hit him, and if Naz can hit you he can hurt you.
Prime Morales had granite chin i would pick the Morales who fought Pacquiao in 1st fight over any version of Naz any day.
The Morales that fought Pac first fight would have been knocked unconcious by Naz. Naz would have only had to hit him with around 10% of the shots Pac did to make him sleep.
Morales fought very good fight counter punching on occasions Pacquiao would rush Morales and catch him with some shots and Morales would fight back but remember Naz doesn't throw as many punches as Pacquiao and Naz has terrible defense all Morales would have to do is counter punch and put a bit of hurt on Naz here and there and keep circling Naz and he would win i see Naz struggle with alot of lesser fighters than Morales.
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Morales isn't as smart as Barrera
Naz would of hit him, and if Naz can hit you he can hurt you.
Prime Morales had granite chin i would pick the Morales who fought Pacquiao in 1st fight over any version of Naz any day.
The Morales that fought Pac first fight would have been knocked unconcious by Naz. Naz would have only had to hit him with around 10% of the shots Pac did to make him sleep.
Morales fought very good fight counter punching on occasions Pacquiao would rush Morales and catch him with some shots and Morales would fight back but remember Naz doesn't throw as many punches as Pacquiao and Naz has terrible defense all Morales would have to do is counter puncher and put a bit of hurt on Naz here and there and he would win i see Naz struggle with alot of lesser fighters than Morales.
Ive seen Morales get hit plenty by much lesser fighters than Naz. Morales would of been too macho against Naz and ended up paying for it.
Plus you have to take into consideration where it takes place. Naz always fought shit in the States. In England Naz would of toyed with him before making him sleep.
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Morales isn't as smart as Barrera
Naz would of hit him, and if Naz can hit you he can hurt you.
Prime Morales had granite chin i would pick the Morales who fought Pacquiao in 1st fight over any version of Naz any day.
The Morales that fought Pac first fight would have been knocked unconcious by Naz. Naz would have only had to hit him with around 10% of the shots Pac did to make him sleep.
Morales fought very good fight counter punching on occasions Pacquiao would rush Morales and catch him with some shots and Morales would fight back but remember Naz doesn't throw as many punches as Pacquiao and Naz has terrible defense all Morales would have to do is counter puncher and put a bit of hurt on Naz here and there and he would win i see Naz struggle with alot of lesser fighters than Morales.
Ive seen Morales get hit plenty by much lesser fighters than Naz. Morales would of been too macho against Naz and ended up paying for it.
Plus you have to take into consideration where it takes place. Naz always fought S*** in the States. In England Naz would of toyed with him before making him sleep.
You are on drugs mate if you think for 1 minute Hamed would have beaten Morales , Junior Jones Kicked the crap out of MAB and Hamed didnt even hurt him , so wot makes you think for 1 minute he would have hit and hurt Morales , more to the point Augie Sanchez hit Hamed with a shit load of shot , Eric Morales is much better than Sanchez , which ever way you look at it Morales and MAB were way better than Hamed.
and to say Naz fought shit in the states is true , BUT HAS IT OCCURED TO YOU ITS BECAUSE THE OPONANTS WERE FAR BETTER WHEN HE FOUGHT THERE DUMMY !!!!!!!!
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Morales isn't as smart as Barrera
Naz would of hit him, and if Naz can hit you he can hurt you.
Prime Morales had granite chin i would pick the Morales who fought Pacquiao in 1st fight over any version of Naz any day.
The Morales that fought Pac first fight would have been knocked unconcious by Naz. Naz would have only had to hit him with around 10% of the shots Pac did to make him sleep.
Morales fought very good fight counter punching on occasions Pacquiao would rush Morales and catch him with some shots and Morales would fight back but remember Naz doesn't throw as many punches as Pacquiao and Naz has terrible defense all Morales would have to do is counter puncher and put a bit of hurt on Naz here and there and he would win i see Naz struggle with alot of lesser fighters than Morales.
Ive seen Morales get hit plenty by much lesser fighters than Naz. Morales would of been too macho against Naz and ended up paying for it.
Plus you have to take into consideration where it takes place. Naz always fought S*** in the States. In England Naz would of toyed with him before making him sleep.
Well obvisiously Morales has got hit by lesser fighters everyone does this is called boxing do you remember Cesar Soto vs Naz when Soto was applying effective aggression in later rounds and was doing a good job of it so then Naz had to do that backbreaker move ?? or whatever its called and knocked the wind out of Soto that was very controversial or what about Ingle fight when Ingle was close to stopping Naz in the 10th round and bloodied his nose ?? or getting knocked down 3 times by Kevin Kelly ?? or what about Medina fight ?? Naseem always had terrible balance and terrible defense a prime Morales who had granite chin and great counter punching skills would eat Naz alive.
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Morales isn't as smart as Barrera
Naz would of hit him, and if Naz can hit you he can hurt you.
Prime Morales had granite chin i would pick the Morales who fought Pacquiao in 1st fight over any version of Naz any day.
The Morales that fought Pac first fight would have been knocked unconcious by Naz. Naz would have only had to hit him with around 10% of the shots Pac did to make him sleep.
Morales fought very good fight counter punching on occasions Pacquiao would rush Morales and catch him with some shots and Morales would fight back but remember Naz doesn't throw as many punches as Pacquiao and Naz has terrible defense all Morales would have to do is counter puncher and put a bit of hurt on Naz here and there and he would win i see Naz struggle with alot of lesser fighters than Morales.
Ive seen Morales get hit plenty by much lesser fighters than Naz. Morales would of been too macho against Naz and ended up paying for it.
Plus you have to take into consideration where it takes place. Naz always fought S*** in the States. In England Naz would of toyed with him before making him sleep.
Well obvisiously Morales has got hit by lesser fighters everyone does this is called boxing do you remember Cesar Soto vs Naz when Soto was applying effective aggression in later rounds and was doing a good job of it so then Naz had to do that backbreaker move ?? or whatever its called and knocked the wind out of Soto that was very controversial or what about Ingle fight when Ingle was close to stopping Naz in the 10th round and bloodied his nose ?? or getting knocked down 3 times by Kevin Kelly ?? or what about Medina fight ?? Naseem always had terrible balance and terrible defense a prime Morales who had granite chin and great counter punching skills would eat Naz alive.
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Yeah I remember, those are great memories.
Actually the Naz that fought Kelly would of DEFINTELY made Morales sleep. Just imagine Morales trying to kill Naz off - BOOOOOM!!! Whump there it is!!!
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Morales isn't as smart as Barrera
Naz would of hit him, and if Naz can hit you he can hurt you.
Prime Morales had granite chin i would pick the Morales who fought Pacquiao in 1st fight over any version of Naz any day.
The Morales that fought Pac first fight would have been knocked unconcious by Naz. Naz would have only had to hit him with around 10% of the shots Pac did to make him sleep.
Morales fought very good fight counter punching on occasions Pacquiao would rush Morales and catch him with some shots and Morales would fight back but remember Naz doesn't throw as many punches as Pacquiao and Naz has terrible defense all Morales would have to do is counter puncher and put a bit of hurt on Naz here and there and he would win i see Naz struggle with alot of lesser fighters than Morales.
Ive seen Morales get hit plenty by much lesser fighters than Naz. Morales would of been too macho against Naz and ended up paying for it.
Plus you have to take into consideration where it takes place. Naz always fought S*** in the States. In England Naz would of toyed with him before making him sleep.
Well obvisiously Morales has got hit by lesser fighters everyone does this is called boxing do you remember Cesar Soto vs Naz when Soto was applying effective aggression in later rounds and was doing a good job of it so then Naz had to do that backbreaker move ?? or whatever its called and knocked the wind out of Soto that was very controversial or what about Ingle fight when Ingle was close to stopping Naz in the 10th round and bloodied his nose ?? or getting knocked down 3 times by Kevin Kelly ?? or what about Medina fight ?? Naseem always had terrible balance and terrible defense a prime Morales who had granite chin and great counter punching skills would eat Naz alive.
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Yeah I remember, those are great memories.
Actually the Naz that fought Kelly would of DEFINTELY made Morales sleep. Just imagine Morales trying to kill Naz off - BOOOOOM!!! Whump there it is!!!
Difference is Kelley had weak chin Morales doesn't ;)
