Re: whats up with baby bull calling out pac?
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Originally Posted by Julius "Marvelous" Rain
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Originally Posted by josef4334
i never made a big deal before when he called out pac the first time since pac is a big draw and he will be making money fighting pac. tonight, during the interview larry merchant threw in casamayor's name in there and he ignored the whole thing and went right at calling out pac again. so if hes the best right now, having three belts, why doesnt he go and fight casamayor instead of calling out a guy in the lower weight class
cause casa is the real deal, he don't want no piece of casa he rather take his chance against the smaller man who can get him paid big!!!!
actually they both want pacman!!!!!!! who wouldn't he gets guys paid ;D
its sad tho, fighters take the easier road for the money. that is just sad. go after the guy that you think you could beat and earn money there. its a common thing in boxing now. if i was pac, id fight them all. heck, everybody is fighting for money, why not join in.. ;D
Re: whats up with baby bull calling out pac?
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Originally Posted by josef4334
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Originally Posted by Julius "Marvelous" Rain
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Originally Posted by josef4334
i never made a big deal before when he called out pac the first time since pac is a big draw and he will be making money fighting pac. tonight, during the interview larry merchant threw in casamayor's name in there and he ignored the whole thing and went right at calling out pac again. so if hes the best right now, having three belts, why doesnt he go and fight casamayor instead of calling out a guy in the lower weight class
cause casa is the real deal, he don't want no piece of casa he rather take his chance against the smaller man who can get him paid big!!!!
actually they both want pacman!!!!!!! who wouldn't he gets guys paid ;D
its sad tho, fighters take the easier road for the money. that is just sad. go after the guy that you think you could beat and earn money there. its a common thing in boxing now. if i was pac, id fight them all. heck, everybody is fighting for money, why not join in.. ;D
join in what? pac can fight anybody and still gets paid big, his what they are after so they can earn that cha ching $$$$$$$$$
Re: whats up with baby bull calling out pac?
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Originally Posted by Julius "Marvelous" Rain
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Originally Posted by Pavlik
If I were PAC's handlers I would choose fighters above his NATURAL weight/size that we know he can beat to get a title. IMO It's already a feat that a former flyweight moves up to beat even a tier two type lightweight guys like David Diaz.
Juan Diaz is a different animal obviously his much bigger and stronger than PAC and matches PAC's speed/punch output and possibly even stamina. If you want to see PAC hurt and lose this is one fight to watch.
I won't count out PAC that fast though, at 144 lbs fight night PAC looks more solid than a 141 lbs Juan Diaz taking into consideration Juan started as a welter and PAC a flyweight.
great point :coolclick:
we already know pac haters are eating this crap up hoping for another hopeless fighter to beat pac ;D
CC you back Bro, I don't want to make it sound personal but it kinda sounds personal when Juan said something like fighting a younger mexican fighter since PAC has already beaten a great Mexican legend. It really sounds like a DESPERATE approach of looking for somebody to beat the hell out of PAC and they're actually naturally BIGGER guys. I guess we should call Juan Diaz. Juan "the Bully" Diaz >:mad
Re: whats up with baby bull calling out pac?
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Originally Posted by josef4334
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Originally Posted by Julius "Marvelous" Rain
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Originally Posted by josef4334
i never made a big deal before when he called out pac the first time since pac is a big draw and he will be making money fighting pac. tonight, during the interview larry merchant threw in casamayor's name in there and he ignored the whole thing and went right at calling out pac again. so if hes the best right now, having three belts, why doesnt he go and fight casamayor instead of calling out a guy in the lower weight class
cause casa is the real deal, he don't want no piece of casa he rather take his chance against the smaller man who can get him paid big!!!!
actually they both want pacman!!!!!!! who wouldn't he gets guys paid ;D
its sad tho, fighters take the easier road for the money. that is just sad. go after the guy that you think you could beat and earn money there. its a common thing in boxing now. if i was pac, id fight them all. heck, everybody is fighting for money, why not join in.. ;D
But common sense dictates that you fight somebody your size right and that is why weight classes are created, PAC has already jumped weight classes big time flyweight,bantam feather superfeather and now lightweight :o to top it off Juan Diaz is a former welter for Christ's sakes :(
PAC should beat Marquez and Valero first then I guess he can fight Juan Diaz IMO
Re: whats up with baby bull calling out pac?
If I was Pac I would retire. Why not? Millions of dollars and he could get fat like Toney. That is the dream. And he could dedicate all his time to losing elections, fighting chickens, and making silly music.
Re: whats up with baby bull calling out pac?
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Originally Posted by boozeboxer
If I was Pac I would retire. Why not? Millions of dollars and he could get fat like Toney. That is the dream. And he could dedicate all his time to losing elections, fighting chickens, and making silly music.
well actually why not?! he already retired 2 future hall of famers STEAMROLLED(beat them twice to boot) both of whom are supposedly naturally bigger than PAC himself ;)
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Hey no offense Pavlik but why dont you all pick general names for the Saddo site, as you know that your loyatly should outlive any middlewieght fighters career.
Re: whats up with baby bull calling out pac?
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Originally Posted by boozeboxer
If I was Pac I would retire. Why not? Millions of dollars and he could get fat like Toney. That is the dream. And he could dedicate all his time to losing elections, fighting chickens, and making silly music.
ehh, pac will win in an election once he retires. :)
Re: whats up with baby bull calling out pac?
I don't understand this dislike people are having with Pac moving up in weight and fighting guys in the divisions.
I doesn't make sense, you guys are saying that Pac would be fighting guys who are naturally bigger then him, well duh! that's why it's called moving up in weight.
Duran started off as a Bantamweight and fought as a Lightweight, Ligh Welterweight, Welterweight, Ligh Middleweight, Middleweight and so on.
I mean fighters move thru weight classes and fight it's what they do.
If Pac want's to be P4P #1 and he want's to cement his legacy even more then why not move up in yet another weight class and give it a go.
You guys should be supporting Pac. No one at Lightweight IMO even has a slight chance at beating Pac not Juan, not David nore Casamayor.
If anything all the big Pac fans should hope and pray that the Diazs and Casa take the bait and fight Pac. I think Pac beats all of them.
Possibly Casa giving him the closest fight but even then I think Pac wins it comfortably.
Re: whats up with baby bull calling out pac?
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I don't understand this dislike people are having with Pac moving up in weight and fighting guys in the divisions.
I doesn't make sense, you guys are saying that Pac would be fighting guys who are naturally bigger then him, well duh! that's why it's called moving up in weight.
Duran started off as a Bantamweight and fought as a Lightweight, Ligh Welterweight, Welterweight, Ligh Middleweight, Middleweight and so on.
I mean fighters move thru weight classes and fight it's what they do.
If Pac want's to be P4P #1 and he want's to cement his legacy even more then why not move up in yet another weight class and give it a go.
You guys should be supporting Pac. No one at Lightweight IMO even has a slight chance at beating Pac not Juan, not David nore Casamayor.
If anything all the big Pac fans should hope and pray that the Diazs and Casa take the bait and fight Pac. I think Pac beats all of them.
Possibly Casa giving him the closest fight but even then I think Pac wins it comfortably.
first and foremost thanks for your belief in PAC Mick ;)
You guys should be supporting Pac. No one at Lightweight IMO even has a slight chance at beating Pac not Juan, not David nore Casamayor
I'm just scared of PAC losing BIGTIME :( to a fight he really does not need :)
Re: whats up with baby bull calling out pac?
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I don't understand this dislike people are having with Pac moving up in weight and fighting guys in the divisions.
I doesn't make sense, you guys are saying that Pac would be fighting guys who are naturally bigger then him, well duh! that's why it's called moving up in weight.
Duran started off as a Bantamweight and fought as a Lightweight, Ligh Welterweight, Welterweight, Ligh Middleweight, Middleweight and so on.
I mean fighters move thru weight classes and fight it's what they do.
If Pac want's to be P4P #1 and he want's to cement his legacy even more then why not move up in yet another weight class and give it a go.
You guys should be supporting Pac. No one at Lightweight IMO even has a slight chance at beating Pac not Juan, not David nore Casamayor.
If anything all the big Pac fans should hope and pray that the Diazs and Casa take the bait and fight Pac. I think Pac beats all of them.
Possibly Casa giving him the closest fight but even then I think Pac wins it comfortably.
Now we are two with the same belief.
Re: whats up with baby bull calling out pac?
that makes it three with Pavlik. with pac going lightweight, boxing will never be the same again....... of course if he wins against DAvid, Juan, Julio and Casa. Don't you want that guys to happen?
Let's give boxing a chance to be the most exciting sports in history.... AGAIN.
Re: whats up with baby bull calling out pac?
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Originally Posted by Pavlik
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I don't understand this dislike people are having with Pac moving up in weight and fighting guys in the divisions.
I doesn't make sense, you guys are saying that Pac would be fighting guys who are naturally bigger then him, well duh! that's why it's called moving up in weight.
Duran started off as a Bantamweight and fought as a Lightweight, Ligh Welterweight, Welterweight, Ligh Middleweight, Middleweight and so on.
I mean fighters move thru weight classes and fight it's what they do.
If Pac want's to be P4P #1 and he want's to cement his legacy even more then why not move up in yet another weight class and give it a go.
You guys should be supporting Pac. No one at Lightweight IMO even has a slight chance at beating Pac not Juan, not David nore Casamayor.
If anything all the big Pac fans should hope and pray that the Diazs and Casa take the bait and fight Pac. I think Pac beats all of them.
Possibly Casa giving him the closest fight but even then I think Pac wins it comfortably.
first and foremost thanks for your belief in PAC Mick ;)
You guys should be supporting Pac. No one at Lightweight IMO even has a slight chance at beating Pac not Juan, not David nore Casamayor
I'm just scared of PAC losing BIGTIME :( to a fight he really does not need :)
That's what it's about man, the thrill and the rush as fan to know your going into the lions den and just going in firing on all cylinders.
How do you think I felt as ODLH fan knowing he was facing P4P #1 PBF and knowing he had a damn good chance of wining? Or how do you think ALL the Hatton fans are gonna feel come fight night? All those crazy chanting Hatton fans are rush seekers and they love it.
Believe man I'm starting to think Pac is some like experiment from somewhere man like hes not human or something. I don't know man the more I see Pac fight the more I believe that hes unstoppable.
Well as fans we gotta understand that you win some you loose some but you walk out with your head held high. It's not like Pac is undefeated I mean hes lost before and hes bounced back.
When you say a fight that he really doesn't need you mean he shouldn't move up in weight?
Also if you feel he doesn't need to fight at Lightweight period then do you feel that by Pac beating a young and IMO still greeen Champ. Valero it will be a fight he needs?
He doesn't need a belt the whole world knows hes the best Super Feather. Hes already established that, if theres a fight at Super Feather it's JMM but with all the politic talks already bubbling it seems likely that it wont happen.What he does need as I said is go for big move up in weight and beat the guys there at Lighweight I mean none of them are really Elite except for Casa but it'll look good on Pacs resume the same way PBF has skipped and jumped in and out of divisions fighting only the top guys and claiming champioship status that's what Pac can do here.
Re: whats up with baby bull calling out pac?
CC Mick and Wack for making excellent points throughtout(CC in 24 Mick)
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I don't understand this dislike people are having with Pac moving up in weight and fighting guys in the divisions.
I doesn't make sense, you guys are saying that Pac would be fighting guys who are naturally bigger then him, well duh! that's why it's called moving up in weight.
Duran started off as a Bantamweight and fought as a Lightweight, Ligh Welterweight, Welterweight, Ligh Middleweight, Middleweight and so on.
I mean fighters move thru weight classes and fight it's what they do.
If Pac want's to be P4P #1 and he want's to cement his legacy even more then why not move up in yet another weight class and give it a go.
You guys should be supporting Pac. No one at Lightweight IMO even has a slight chance at beating Pac not Juan, not David nore Casamayor.
If anything all the big Pac fans should hope and pray that the Diazs and Casa take the bait and fight Pac. I think Pac beats all of them.
Possibly Casa giving him the closest fight but even then I think Pac wins it comfortably.
Totally agree with this post. I'd favour Manny over Juan as long as he carries his power,although I think the Casamayor fight is close(depending on how he looks v Santa Cruz_). If I were Manny,I'd fight JMM,maybe 1 other fight unless it's too hard to make weight then fight Diaz/Casamayor. I don't think there's any reason to fight David Diaz.
Re: whats up with baby bull calling out pac?
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by Pavlik
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I don't understand this dislike people are having with Pac moving up in weight and fighting guys in the divisions.
I doesn't make sense, you guys are saying that Pac would be fighting guys who are naturally bigger then him, well duh! that's why it's called moving up in weight.
Duran started off as a Bantamweight and fought as a Lightweight, Ligh Welterweight, Welterweight, Ligh Middleweight, Middleweight and so on.
I mean fighters move thru weight classes and fight it's what they do.
If Pac want's to be P4P #1 and he want's to cement his legacy even more then why not move up in yet another weight class and give it a go.
You guys should be supporting Pac. No one at Lightweight IMO even has a slight chance at beating Pac not Juan, not David nore Casamayor.
If anything all the big Pac fans should hope and pray that the Diazs and Casa take the bait and fight Pac. I think Pac beats all of them.
Possibly Casa giving him the closest fight but even then I think Pac wins it comfortably.
first and foremost thanks for your belief in PAC Mick ;)
You guys should be supporting Pac. No one at Lightweight IMO even has a slight chance at beating Pac not Juan, not David nore Casamayor
I'm just scared of PAC losing BIGTIME :( to a fight he really does not need :)
That's what it's about man, the thrill and the rush as fan to know your going into the lions den and just going in firing on all cylinders.
How do you think I felt as ODLH fan knowing he was facing P4P #1 PBF and knowing he had a damn good chance of wining? Or how do you think ALL the Hatton fans are gonna feel come fight night? All those crazy chanting Hatton fans are rush seekers and they love it.
Believe man I'm starting to think Pac is some like experiment from somewhere man like hes not human or something. I don't know man the more I see Pac fight the more I believe that hes unstoppable.
Well as fans we gotta understand that you win some you loose some but you walk out with your head held high. It's not like Pac is undefeated I mean hes lost before and hes bounced back.
When you say a fight that he really doesn't need you mean he shouldn't move up in weight?
Also if you feel he doesn't need to fight at Lightweight period then do you feel that by Pac beating a young and IMO still greeen Champ. Valero it will be a fight he needs?
He doesn't need a belt the whole world knows hes the best Super Feather. Hes already established that, if theres a fight at Super Feather it's JMM but with all the politic talks already bubbling it seems likely that it wont happen.What he does need as I said is go for big move up in weight and beat the guys there at Lighweight I mean none of them are really Elite except for Casa but it'll look good on Pacs resume the same way PBF has skipped and jumped in and out of divisions fighting only the top guys and claiming champioship status that's what Pac can do here.
When you say a fight that he really doesn't need you mean he shouldn't move up in weight?
Also if you feel he doesn't need to fight at Lightweight period then do you feel that by Pac beating a young and IMO still greeen Champ. Valero it will be a fight he needs?
You make perfect sense Mick ;) but what about Guzman or Soto both of these guys are very capable of beating PAC too.
Sounds like you have a lot of faith in PAC Mick, As a PAC fan I really appreciate it.
by the way I just got this from PACLAND:
http://philboxing.com/news/story-13266.html
looks like a possiblity :)
