Re: Did Jack Dempsey Have Something In His Gloves Against Jess Willard ??
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
Yeah he had something in his gloves...A KO punch that embaressed Willard in front of the world!!!!
Gloves were too small back then to really conceal much in them....There would have been some sort of damage to Dempseys hand....I have heard about 5 or 6 different versions on what he might of had,,,One even stated his hand was in concrete???......There was no explaniation on why he beat Willard to a pulp so they had to make something up.....Fact was Willard was out of shape...Jack was mean...jack was hungry literally....Jess and his people thought too much of themselves
the book was by ali's cutman and he was pretty certain that him and a few others watched a tape of JD giving the nail to his corner at the end of the round. its called the 15 greatest rounds of boxing.
Re: Did Jack Dempsey Have Something In His Gloves Against Jess Willard ??
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
Yeah he had something in his gloves...A KO punch that embaressed Willard in front of the world!!!!
Gloves were too small back then to really conceal much in them....There would have been some sort of damage to Dempseys hand....I have heard about 5 or 6 different versions on what he might of had,,,One even stated his hand was in concrete???......There was no explaniation on why he beat Willard to a pulp so they had to make something up.....Fact was Willard was out of shape...Jack was mean...jack was hungry literally....Jess and his people thought too much of themselves
the book was by ali's cutman and he was pretty certain that him and a few others watched a tape of JD giving the nail to his corner at the end of the round. its called the 15 greatest rounds of boxing.
Tom where is this film? I know the book and I know what was said but that is not what I am reffering to....If it was a railroad spike as some claim it would have been big enopugh to be openly spotted....Do you know how big one of those are?...Someone would of had to unlace the gloves..fit it in there and Dempsey would not have been able to make a fist...any other nail would have only done damage it sticking straight out to poke holes in the skin not add to the power of the punch....Willard would of had cuts that matched such wounds...
Re: Did Jack Dempsey Have Something In His Gloves Against Jess Willard ??
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Originally Posted by porkypara
I read some where a long time ago his hands were covered in plaster cast.
This, I've heard many times and not just about Dempsey. They theory is that you sprinkle plaster of paris on the gloves which then sets into a hard cast.
As much as a fan I am of Dempsey, this would not surprise me in the least. They were different days and kearns was an extraordinary shyster....
Re: Did Jack Dempsey Have Something In His Gloves Against Jess Willard ??
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Originally Posted by taansend
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Originally Posted by porkypara
I read some where a long time ago his hands were covered in plaster cast.
This, I've heard many times and not just about Dempsey. They theory is that you sprinkle plaster of paris on the gloves which then sets into a hard cast.
As much as a fan I am of Dempsey, this would not surprise me in the least. They were different days and kearns was an extraordinary shyster....
The plaster of paris is more believable then the nail in my opp
Re: Did Jack Dempsey Have Something In His Gloves Against Jess Willard ??
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
Yeah he had something in his gloves...A KO punch that embaressed Willard in front of the world!!!!
Gloves were too small back then to really conceal much in them....There would have been some sort of damage to Dempseys hand....I have heard about 5 or 6 different versions on what he might of had,,,One even stated his hand was in concrete???......There was no explaniation on why he beat Willard to a pulp so they had to make something up.....Fact was Willard was out of shape...Jack was mean...jack was hungry literally....Jess and his people thought too much of themselves
the book was by ali's cutman and he was pretty certain that him and a few others watched a tape of JD giving the nail to his corner at the end of the round. its called the 15 greatest rounds of boxing.
Tom where is this film? I know the book and I know what was said but that is not what I am reffering to....If it was a railroad spike as some claim it would have been big enopugh to be openly spotted....Do you know how big one of those are?...Someone would of had to unlace the gloves..fit it in there and Dempsey would not have been able to make a fist...any other nail would have only done damage it sticking straight out to poke holes in the skin not add to the power of the punch....Willard would of had cuts that matched such wounds...
Well the cutman was claiming him and 3 other major boxing figures saw the tape given to him by some other guy, and he walked off with it and they never saw it again. Just read that book it talks about it in there. he claims he isnt lying and it was on a reel tape or something.
Re: Did Jack Dempsey Have Something In His Gloves Against Jess Willard ??
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
Yeah he had something in his gloves...A KO punch that embaressed Willard in front of the world!!!!
Gloves were too small back then to really conceal much in them....There would have been some sort of damage to Dempseys hand....I have heard about 5 or 6 different versions on what he might of had,,,One even stated his hand was in concrete???......There was no explaniation on why he beat Willard to a pulp so they had to make something up.....Fact was Willard was out of shape...Jack was mean...jack was hungry literally....Jess and his people thought too much of themselves
the book was by ali's cutman and he was pretty certain that him and a few others watched a tape of JD giving the nail to his corner at the end of the round. its called the 15 greatest rounds of boxing.
Tom where is this film? I know the book and I know what was said but that is not what I am reffering to....If it was a railroad spike as some claim it would have been big enopugh to be openly spotted....Do you know how big one of those are?...Someone would of had to unlace the gloves..fit it in there and Dempsey would not have been able to make a fist...any other nail would have only done damage it sticking straight out to poke holes in the skin not add to the power of the punch....Willard would of had cuts that matched such wounds...
Well the cutman was claiming him and 3 other major boxing figures saw the tape given to him by some other guy, and he walked off with it and they never saw it again. Just read that book it talks about it in there. he claims he isnt lying and it was on a reel tape or something.
Like I said Tom I read the same thing and have heard 100 other different versions....TBH this will always be one of those boxing folk lore stories that forever follow but sometimes you have to weight it all out....Take everyones story and somewhere in the middle lies the truth
Re: Did Jack Dempsey Have Something In His Gloves Against Jess Willard ??
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
Yeah he had something in his gloves...A KO punch that embaressed Willard in front of the world!!!!
Gloves were too small back then to really conceal much in them....There would have been some sort of damage to Dempseys hand....I have heard about 5 or 6 different versions on what he might of had,,,One even stated his hand was in concrete???......There was no explaniation on why he beat Willard to a pulp so they had to make something up.....Fact was Willard was out of shape...Jack was mean...jack was hungry literally....Jess and his people thought too much of themselves
the book was by ali's cutman and he was pretty certain that him and a few others watched a tape of JD giving the nail to his corner at the end of the round. its called the 15 greatest rounds of boxing.
Tom where is this film? I know the book and I know what was said but that is not what I am reffering to....If it was a railroad spike as some claim it would have been big enopugh to be openly spotted....Do you know how big one of those are?...Someone would of had to unlace the gloves..fit it in there and Dempsey would not have been able to make a fist...any other nail would have only done damage it sticking straight out to poke holes in the skin not add to the power of the punch....Willard would of had cuts that matched such wounds...
Well the cutman was claiming him and 3 other major boxing figures saw the tape given to him by some other guy, and he walked off with it and they never saw it again. Just read that book it talks about it in there. he claims he isnt lying and it was on a reel tape or something.
Like I said Tom I read the same thing and have heard 100 other different versions....TBH this will always be one of those boxing folk lore stories that forever follow but sometimes you have to weight it all out....Take everyones story and somewhere in the middle lies the truth
Its Tam, Daxx ;D
it was a very good read though !
Re: Did Jack Dempsey Have Something In His Gloves Against Jess Willard ??
i don’t think so… in those days the gloves were small oz. filled with feathers as stuffing, after a few rounds that stuffing would push off to the side leaving the knuckes exposed . dempsey had big hands with his hands well wrapped , would have felt like getting hit with bat.
Re: Did Jack Dempsey Have Something In His Gloves Against Jess Willard ??
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Originally Posted by Tasmanian Devil
i don’t think so… in those days the gloves were small oz. filled with feathers as stuffing, after a few rounds that stuffing would push off to the side leaving the knuckes exposed . dempsey had big hands with his hands well wrapped , would have felt like getting hit with bat.
his face was dismantled though, how come this wasnt clear in any of his other fights? wilard had a good chin and knew that those punches had something extra in them.
Re: Did Jack Dempsey Have Something In His Gloves Against Jess Willard ??
Like I said Tom I read the same thing and have heard 100 other different versions....TBH this will always be one of those boxing folk lore stories that forever follow but sometimes you have to weight it all out....Take everyones story and somewhere in the middle lies the truth
[/quote]Its Tam, Daxx ;D
it was a very good read though !
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NOBODY LIKES A KNOW IT ALL TAM!!!!! >:mad
cc#269 Mate...I do not kow why all this time I thought it was Tom :-[ :-[...My apologies....Damn I feel like a Bilbo :-\
Re: Did Jack Dempsey Have Something In His Gloves Against Jess Willard ??
the gloves by nature were not reliable, like today. . back then some held to gather better internally , some fell apart very quickly. this would be my explanation. of course anything is possible
Re: Did Jack Dempsey Have Something In His Gloves Against Jess Willard ??
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
Like I said Tom I read the same thing and have heard 100 other different versions....TBH this will always be one of those boxing folk lore stories that forever follow but sometimes you have to weight it all out....Take everyones story and somewhere in the middle lies the truth
Its Tam, Daxx ;D
it was a very good read though !
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NOBODY LIKES A KNOW IT ALL TAM!!!!! >:mad
cc#269 Mate...I do not kow why all this time I thought it was Tom :-[ :-[...My apologies....Damn I feel like a Bilbo :-\
[/quote]lol its okay Daxx, everyone calls me Tom its an everyday thing, its Scottish for Tom. CC back bro!
Re: Did Jack Dempsey Have Something In His Gloves Against Jess Willard ??
I5 greatest rounds of boxing was also a dvd, i have it....
It was presented by Ferdie Pacheco and had contributions from Emmaneul Steward, Thomas Hauser, Lou DiBella and although i can't remember his name, Dempsey's official biographer, biggest fan and close friend.
When reviewing the dempsey fight he was posed the question about the glove....
Dempseys biographer said "i never heard anything but it wouldn't surprise me."
Re: Did Jack Dempsey Have Something In His Gloves Against Jess Willard ??
Re: Did Jack Dempsey Have Something In His Gloves Against Jess Willard ??
it definitely is plausible, that kind of thing happened all the time back then
