Who should be rated higher on the all time Greatest Heavies Holyfeild or Tyson

Holyfield. Not even an argument as far as I am concerned.

86-88 Tyson may have been better than Holyfield at his best, but Holyfield overcame more obstacles and hardships. At the top level he showed far greater longevity than Tyson.

i think overall holyfield might of had the better overall career cos he was a 2-weight champion & dominated the cruiserweights but in the HW division he won his 4 titles from,, 1st it was a fat unfocused buster douglas, he then lost it to bowe after defending against holmes foreman (who both went the distance with him, holmes had already been destroyed by tyson) he then got revenge on bowe to win back the titles but lost the title to Michael moorer then not long after that gets beat by bowe again
then according to most people he beats a "shot" tyson who hadnt seen his best days in about 8 years (i still give him a hell of a lot of credit 4 this fight cos 2 me tyson was still a dangerous fighter & had that KO power & i respect how evander stood upto him) defends against michael moorer & vaughn bean then he took Lennox the distance earnin a draw then gettin beat in the rematch
after that he lost out on his title fights (WBO against Ibragimov & the NABC larry donald)

im not takin anything away from holyfield 2 b a 4 time heavyweight champion is a fantastic accomplishment but he never really dominated the division & he never held on to a title for more then 3 fights, where tyson had a title reign of 3 years, defended his belts 9 times & dominated the division

so as far as the heavyweight division goes tyson just about takes it in my opinon (close though)

Tyson prime would have beaten Holyfield prime so he is better. He also was a more consistant champion during his reign.

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Originally Posted by Master

Tyson prime would have beaten Holyfield prime so he is better. He also was a more consistant champion during his reign.

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...I declare shennanigans on that, do you accept the shennanigans?

Let me ask you who the hell did Tyson beat that makes you think he could beat Holyfield and also who did Holyfield lose to to make you think he'd lose to Tyson?

Tyson's style was picture perfect for Holyfield...Tyson was a limited fighter, you guys always take that as blasphemy but it's true. Tyson was a pressure fighter with good power (yes GOOD power, not great) and GREAT combination punching (perhaps the best combination puncher in the history of the division)...I give Tyson his props when he deserves them but his prime was short, there was a blueprint to beating him, and he never was challenged or challenged himself during his prime, only after which is why there are "cling-ons" that think Tyson was the greatest of all time and could beat Ali.

I've said it before, I'll say it again Tyson loses to the majority of the top 10 all-time heavyweights...including IMO Dempsey and Marciano. People find that very strange and some don't stop to think about it good and hard but those guys were harder than Tyson and mentally tougher than him as well.

All Mike Tyson is when you get down to it is Floyd Patterson with a Sonny Liston attitude...and he's about as good of a fighter as those two guys which is top 15-20 but not top 10

holy is higher..and any version of holyfield beats any any version of tyson...

and just like most fighters who capture most of there fans by knocking out bums coupled with some of the greatest promotion in the history of promoting garbage..tyson was an illusion created by don king...no doubt tyson could move and hit hard..but he was never on the level of prime ATG heavy's, nor the one in his era...although i think the he might have kayoed the early leaner version of lennox...

Yea another question i have is were do you rate him i am starting to consider him a top 10 fighter any thoughts on that.

I think he falls just short of being top 10....he's top 15 in my opinion

Its a tough call evander fought past his prime WAY PAST IT, at least mike knew when to get out, people say oh evander got stopped by james toney etc.... and you know what tyson would have lost to toney at his late age too he was horrible he lost to danny williams and i cant even remeber the other horrible fighter he got koed by in his old age. Evander beat the younger challengers, tyson on paper had better skills and more flash kos. Holyfield certainly was more of a warrior great chin and probably would die in the ring. Tyson had some chracter problems, evender had a problem with consistency but on a given night could beat anyone. tyson never avenged a loss, holyfield did, I give the nod to holy but no arguement either way

oly is higher..and any version of holyfield beats any any version of tyson

Possibly.... but evander would have to have fought very smart and in his youth he didnt he tended to trade too much, I have no doubt if holy and tyson had fought undefeated you may have seen world war 3
for a couiple of rounds but it would be tough for evander to win that fight, if he picks his spots he can trade more with mike than anyone but he still needs to box....

Yea like i was saying earlier some of his defeats are not when he was at his best i mean he was way past it with some of them.

yep agreed, people dont understand how age affects you, beleive me i know... some guy was trying to telly me theres not much difference between a 27 year old mosley and a 37 year old one heres your first clue cotto matched his speed at times ;D

Lyle we always disagree about this.

Prime Tyson beats the undefeated fighter that lost to Bowe, because he weighed 205lb and would have fought the stupid fight he did with Bowe and try to back up Tyson who would have sparked him out like Bert Cooper nearly did.

The bigger version that did fight Tyson was slower and threw less punches, whilst he would have backed up Tyson, he still would have lost on points to Tyson. Either way great fight. IMO. :)

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I like watching Tyson fights just as much as the next guy but there were plenty of times he got tied up on the inside and vs Holyfield that hurt him big time. Holyfield was never a really heavy fighter, he's 44 years old now and he weighed 211 in his last fight! Evander has never been heavier than 221. Sure he got buzzed vs Cooper but hell it took a PRIME Riddick Bowe and hepititus C to get him knocked out!!!!

Sure Tyson didn't train very well in his post Buster Douglas career but that didn't matter vs Holyfield...the issue was Evander fought just as dirty as Tyson and Mike could give it but he couldn't take it and he gave up in the second fight. In the first fight he just straight got his ass whipped.

I think Evander was just a stronger bully than Tyson and his prime lasted a lot longer

I say Holyfield goes down higher in all time greatness lists as a heavy.

Overall career by a landslide Evander above Tyson.

Skills, I would favor Tyson.