Paul Williams seems to be the BEST

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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan

Here is how I rank the WWs right now.

PBF
Cotto
Williams
Margarito
Mosley
Cintron
Clottey
Collazo
Berto
Quintana

Not really sure after Cintron but it sounds about right.

But here is where it gets interesting.

I think Williams could beat Floyd
I think Cotto could beat Williams
I think Cintron could beat Cotto
I think Margarito could beat Cintron again, Steward or no Steward.
I think Clottey could beat Margarito in a rematch

I'll stop here because this is getting confusing... :P

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So what you're saying is the WW division is open to debate? ;D I think Cotto would have hell with Williams, he's even shorter than Margarito and it's going to be hell for Cotto to get in on PW. Not saying Cotto would lose, but tough to call.
Clottey won't beat Margarito in a rematch, just cause Clottey broke his hand and was giving Tony fits in their 1st fight doesn't mean he would have won without the break. Tony has always gotten better as the fight goes on, and now after showing Saturday he's not playing that game anymore, Clottey would have all he could handle.
Floyd/Williams I don't know. Would be interesting to see how Floyd adapts to PW's freaky output and long reach. Williams could very well win on points, and Floyd isn't knocking anyone out at 147, except geezer Gatti.
Williams, Margarito, Floyd, Clottey and Cotto all send Cintron packing. I'm biased cause' I can't stand Kermit after he shamed himself with Tony. Tony will ruin Kermit if they ever meet again. Paul will throw 2000 punches and keep moving back all night, though if Cintron landed one big punch Paul would probably go sleepy time.
Cotto stops Cintron upper rounds. Cintron hits harder than Mosley, granted, but Cotto took some big rights from Shane and didn't really get too fazed about them. Cotto will most likely take a couple of shots from Cintron, but he'd recover and Kermit would probably fall apart and ask the corner for some Kleenex to stop the tears. Cintron should go back to wrestling and get into MMA.

DISCLAIMER: I'm usually wrong {except for Kermit}

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Originally Posted by LEGION

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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan

Here is how I rank the WWs right now.

PBF
Cotto
Williams
Margarito
Mosley
Cintron
Clottey
Collazo
Berto
Quintana

Not really sure after Cintron but it sounds about right.

But here is where it gets interesting.

I think Williams could beat Floyd
I think Cotto could beat Williams
I think Cintron could beat Cotto
I think Margarito could beat Cintron again, Steward or no Steward.
I think Clottey could beat Margarito in a rematch

I'll stop here because this is getting confusing... :P

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So what you're saying is the WW division is open to debate? ;D I think Cotto would have hell with Williams, he's even shorter than Margarito and it's going to be hell for Cotto to get in on PW. Not saying Cotto would lose, but tough to call.
Clottey won't beat Margarito in a rematch, just cause Clottey broke his hand and was giving Tony fits in their 1st fight doesn't mean he would have won without the break. Tony has always gotten better as the fight goes on, and now after showing Saturday he's not playing that game anymore, Clottey would have all he could handle.
Floyd/Williams I don't know. Would be interesting to see how Floyd adapts to PW's freaky output and long reach. Williams could very well win on points, and Floyd isn't knocking anyone out at 147, except geezer Gatti.
Williams, Margarito, Floyd, Clottey and Cotto all send Cintron packing. I'm biased cause' I can't stand Kermit after he shamed himself with Tony. Tony will ruin Kermit if they ever meet again. Paul will throw 2000 punches and keep moving back all night, though if Cintron landed one big punch Paul would probably go sleepy time.
Cotto stops Cintron upper rounds. Cintron hits harder than Mosley, granted, but Cotto took some big rights from Shane and didn't really get too fazed about them. Cotto will most likely take a couple of shots from Cintron, but he'd recover and Kermit would probably fall apart and ask the corner for some Kleenex to stop the tears. Cintron should go back to wrestling and get into MMA.

DISCLAIMER: I'm usually wrong {except for Kermit}

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Well Legion, if you notice my post I said "could". ;)

This is what I love about the WW division right now. I mean it is not like the 80s or 90s where you had 3 or 4 guys that were miles away from the competition. Now you have a solid 7 or 8 guys who have a chance to give any of the others an L on that reccord in any given day. Yes I know this sounds like I am blaspheming but I think it is true. I would not be surprised at the outcome of any of those potential fights at WW no matter who wins. The only one that might be a step away from the rest is Floyd but he is also the smallest guy fighting in a weight class he doesn't really belong. So it kinda evens out I think.

I know Rookie Fan, I was just goofing with you. CC buddy.

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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan

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Originally Posted by LEGION

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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan

Here is how I rank the WWs right now.

PBF
Cotto
Williams
Margarito
Mosley
Cintron
Clottey
Collazo
Berto
Quintana

Not really sure after Cintron but it sounds about right.

But here is where it gets interesting.

I think Williams could beat Floyd
I think Cotto could beat Williams
I think Cintron could beat Cotto
I think Margarito could beat Cintron again, Steward or no Steward.
I think Clottey could beat Margarito in a rematch

I'll stop here because this is getting confusing... :P

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So what you're saying is the WW division is open to debate? ;D I think Cotto would have hell with Williams, he's even shorter than Margarito and it's going to be hell for Cotto to get in on PW. Not saying Cotto would lose, but tough to call.
Clottey won't beat Margarito in a rematch, just cause Clottey broke his hand and was giving Tony fits in their 1st fight doesn't mean he would have won without the break. Tony has always gotten better as the fight goes on, and now after showing Saturday he's not playing that game anymore, Clottey would have all he could handle.
Floyd/Williams I don't know. Would be interesting to see how Floyd adapts to PW's freaky output and long reach. Williams could very well win on points, and Floyd isn't knocking anyone out at 147, except geezer Gatti.
Williams, Margarito, Floyd, Clottey and Cotto all send Cintron packing. I'm biased cause' I can't stand Kermit after he shamed himself with Tony. Tony will ruin Kermit if they ever meet again. Paul will throw 2000 punches and keep moving back all night, though if Cintron landed one big punch Paul would probably go sleepy time.
Cotto stops Cintron upper rounds. Cintron hits harder than Mosley, granted, but Cotto took some big rights from Shane and didn't really get too fazed about them. Cotto will most likely take a couple of shots from Cintron, but he'd recover and Kermit would probably fall apart and ask the corner for some Kleenex to stop the tears. Cintron should go back to wrestling and get into MMA.

DISCLAIMER: I'm usually wrong {except for Kermit}

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Well Legion, if you notice my post I said "could". ;)

This is what I love about the WW division right now. I mean it is not like the 80s or 90s where you had 3 or 4 guys that were miles away from the competition. Now you have a solid 7 or 8 guys who have a chance to give any of the others an L on that reccord in any given day. Yes I know this sounds like I am blaspheming but I think it is true. I would not be surprised at the outcome of any of those potential fights at WW no matter who wins. The only one that might be a step away from the rest is Floyd but he is also the smallest guy fighting in a weight class he doesn't really belong. So it kinda evens out I think.

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I'll make it easier for you guys. Margarito KTFO Cotto,Cintron,Williams.Cotto beats everyone bar Tony(he beats Floyd) Hatton fights Oscar and retires because he knows he would get his ass handed to him by the other guys at 47. Cintron gets the odd win here and there.PW wins a few good fights,moves to 154 and get beaten up(after Tony beats up on him in a rematch). Clottey carries on crying about his hand and Zab still proclaims he is P4P the best.

I'll make it easier for you guys. Margarito KTFO Cotto,Cintron,Williams.Cotto beats everyone bar Tony(he beats Floyd) Hatton fights Oscar and retires because he knows he would get his a** handed to him by the other guys at 47.

He doesn't KTFO Cotto no way Cotto is much better allround fighter than Margarito and Williams beats Margarito again thats bit of an ambitious post isn't Gamo ?? and did i read that right ?? you think Cotto loses to Margarito but beats Mayweather ???

Whilst some of it was tongue in cheek,I think Margarito beats Cotto and being a HUGE fan of both fighters,I think I'm in a good positiion to make that assessment. Styles make fights. Margarito's uppercut and pace would be the key. I think Cotto beats Floyd. Styles make fights. Cotto's jab is the key.

Cotto is definitely a better all round fighter than Tony,but Zab is a better all round fighter than Baldo,Vernon is a better all round fighter than Mayorga,but,as I have stated,styles make fights.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Whilst some of it was tongue in cheek,I think Margarito beats Cotto and being a HUGE fan of both fighters,I think I'm in a good positiion to make that assessment. Styles make fights. Margarito's uppercut and pace would be the key. I think Cotto beats Floyd. Styles make fights. Cotto's jab is the key.

Cotto is definitely a better all round fighter than Tony,but Zab is a better all round fighter than Baldo,Vernon is a better all round fighter than Mayorga,but,as I have stated,styles make fights.

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Whilst some of it was tongue in cheek,I think Margarito beats Cotto and being a HUGE fan of both fighters,I think I'm in a good positiion to make that assessment. Styles make fights. Margarito's uppercut and pace would be the key. I think Cotto beats Floyd. Styles make fights. Cotto's jab is the key.

Margarito's punches are too wide Cotto has much better tools than Margarito and out points Margarito for sure.

I think Cotto beats Floyd. Styles make fights. Cotto's jab is the key.

He would need a whole lot more than just a jab Mayweather has beaten great fighters with good jabs before aka G. Hernandez, Oscar De La Hoya,

No,Cotto does not "out-point Margarito for sure". So what if Margarito's punches are wide,his uppercuts' arent.And neither Oscar nor Hernandez used their jab as much as Cotto did nor did their jabs posses the power of Cotto's jab.

My doubts:

Paul Williams.... Could struggle with other fighters who are tough, start fast, have fast hands and throw in bunches (Clottey & Cotto).

Also, to a much lesser degree, im dubious about him fighting guys who have that real genuine 'boom-boom' power (Cintron)

Cotto.... Could struggle against rock solid characters who dont wilt, who hit just as hard if not harder or just keep the return pressure up (Clottey, Margarito).

Again, to a lesser degree, im dubious about him fighting guys who have that real genuine 'boom-boom' power (Cintron)

Margarito.... As a slow starter, he could and has struggled with guys with superior boxing ability, hand speed and rock-solid resolves. (Williams, Clottey)

Cintron... Is he likely to crack under pressure? If so you can bet against him in fights with rock-hard power punchers. (Clottey, Margarito, Cotto)

Clottey... Becomes a bit too stationary, dosent use his legs enough. would suffer against slicker, much more varied fighters. Comes in at fights like 165 so obviously cuts huge amounts of weight... maybe his stamina lets him down along the stretch. (Collazo, Williams)

Again, to a lesser degree, im dubious about him fighting guys who have that real genuine 'boom-boom' power (Cintron)

In short. Cintron, if he has managed to get past his demons, could well be the man to rule 147.

Also, IMO Clottey is badly overlooked and/ or underrated.

Right now i think that Cotto is the best Welterweight yea even better then Floyde because he has had better wins at the weight. But that being said i do not think he can beat Margariot i think he ends up getting Tko but i give him a big chance for beating PBF i think he cold break him down.