Re: Ring Magazine Top 100
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Re: Ring Magazine Top 100
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
I think there are a few things that everyone does not understand about the way list like these are made.
The first I think some people already got right. These list are not made a day before the magazine comes out or even 2 weeks. It takes a month or two of deliberation before deciding who gets placed where. Also after the list are made it takes about another 3 weeks to print the issue...This is why most fights re-caped are ove a month old.
Second they do not judge by one last fight. It goes by a certain period of time.
EG- Just because a fighter beats another he does not take his place in the ratings if rated higher. That would be silly if it was done that way. They pick a timeframe from the date they start deciding who goes where. Last 3 fights or last year etc..... Lets say Kermit Cintron fought PBF tommorow and won. Cintron would not be the P4P fighter in the world....To use such a system would be inaccurate and take away accomplishments up until that point from the fighter higher ranked and erase any short comings the other fighter had until that point.
Someone mentioned David Haye belonging higher then 100. At the time rankings were compiled who had Haye really beaten? I don't think one other guy on the top 100. Mormeck was ranked 48 on the list. Because Haye beat him does that mean he deserves to be jumped ahead to 48 in front of RJJ, Paul Malinaggi, Sturm, Sam Peter, Wlad Klitschko etc...Four of those 5 are world title holders. Who have been beating better comp for longer amounts of time.
That would also push each man down a spot...Robbing them of a rightful place.....
It is looked upon as a timefram accomplishment not what have you done this week type thing
The other thing some people don't seem to understand is these lists mean absolutely NOTHING!
If you are a hardcore boxing nut (90% of Saddonians) your opinion is just as valid as these journos ;)
Re: Ring Magazine Top 100
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
I think there are a few things that everyone does not understand about the way list like these are made.
The first I think some people already got right. These list are not made a day before the magazine comes out or even 2 weeks. It takes a month or two of deliberation before deciding who gets placed where. Also after the list are made it takes about another 3 weeks to print the issue...This is why most fights re-caped are ove a month old.
Second they do not judge by one last fight. It goes by a certain period of time.
EG- Just because a fighter beats another he does not take his place in the ratings if rated higher. That would be silly if it was done that way. They pick a timeframe from the date they start deciding who goes where. Last 3 fights or last year etc..... Lets say Kermit Cintron fought PBF tommorow and won. Cintron would not be the P4P fighter in the world....To use such a system would be inaccurate and take away accomplishments up until that point from the fighter higher ranked and erase any short comings the other fighter had until that point.
Someone mentioned David Haye belonging higher then 100. At the time rankings were compiled who had Haye really beaten? I don't think one other guy on the top 100. Mormeck was ranked 48 on the list. Because Haye beat him does that mean he deserves to be jumped ahead to 48 in front of RJJ, Paul Malinaggi, Sturm, Sam Peter, Wlad Klitschko etc...Four of those 5 are world title holders. Who have been beating better comp for longer amounts of time.
That would also push each man down a spot...Robbing them of a rightful place.....
It is looked upon as a timefram accomplishment not what have you done this week type thing
The other thing
some people don't seem to understand is these lists mean absolutely NOTHING!
If you are a hardcore boxing nut (90% of Saddonians) your opinion is just as valid as these journos ;)
100% agreed...These list are so hard to do anyways...Any legit fans list is pretty close to the ones anyone else makes
Re: Ring Magazine Top 100
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
I think there are a few things that everyone does not understand about the way list like these are made.
The first I think some people already got right. These list are not made a day before the magazine comes out or even 2 weeks. It takes a month or two of deliberation before deciding who gets placed where. Also after the list are made it takes about another 3 weeks to print the issue...This is why most fights re-caped are ove a month old.
Second they do not judge by one last fight. It goes by a certain period of time.
EG- Just because a fighter beats another he does not take his place in the ratings if rated higher. That would be silly if it was done that way. They pick a timeframe from the date they start deciding who goes where. Last 3 fights or last year etc..... Lets say Kermit Cintron fought PBF tommorow and won. Cintron would not be the P4P fighter in the world....To use such a system would be inaccurate and take away accomplishments up until that point from the fighter higher ranked and erase any short comings the other fighter had until that point.
Someone mentioned David Haye belonging higher then 100. At the time rankings were compiled who had Haye really beaten? I don't think one other guy on the top 100. Mormeck was ranked 48 on the list. Because Haye beat him does that mean he deserves to be jumped ahead to 48 in front of RJJ, Paul Malinaggi, Sturm, Sam Peter, Wlad Klitschko etc...Four of those 5 are world title holders. Who have been beating better comp for longer amounts of time.
That would also push each man down a spot...Robbing them of a rightful place.....
It is looked upon as a timefram accomplishment not what have you done this week type thing
The other thing
some people don't seem to understand is these lists mean absolutely NOTHING!
If you are a hardcore boxing nut (90% of Saddonians) your opinion is just as valid as these journos ;)
100% agreed...These list are so hard to do anyways...Any legit fans list is pretty close to the ones anyone else makes
Exactly!
Everyone has the same names.. just they put them in slightly different order.
I find it jarring when I read fans putting so much faith in the opinions of so called EXPERTS when they don't realise that they (the fan) probably follow boxing more closely than the "expert" journo.
Re: Ring Magazine Top 100
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
I think there are a few things that everyone does not understand about the way list like these are made.
The first I think some people already got right. These list are not made a day before the magazine comes out or even 2 weeks. It takes a month or two of deliberation before deciding who gets placed where. Also after the list are made it takes about another 3 weeks to print the issue...This is why most fights re-caped are ove a month old.
Second they do not judge by one last fight. It goes by a certain period of time.
EG- Just because a fighter beats another he does not take his place in the ratings if rated higher. That would be silly if it was done that way. They pick a timeframe from the date they start deciding who goes where. Last 3 fights or last year etc..... Lets say Kermit Cintron fought PBF tommorow and won. Cintron would not be the P4P fighter in the world....To use such a system would be inaccurate and take away accomplishments up until that point from the fighter higher ranked and erase any short comings the other fighter had until that point.
Someone mentioned David Haye belonging higher then 100. At the time rankings were compiled who had Haye really beaten? I don't think one other guy on the top 100. Mormeck was ranked 48 on the list. Because Haye beat him does that mean he deserves to be jumped ahead to 48 in front of RJJ, Paul Malinaggi, Sturm, Sam Peter, Wlad Klitschko etc...Four of those 5 are world title holders. Who have been beating better comp for longer amounts of time.
That would also push each man down a spot...Robbing them of a rightful place.....
It is looked upon as a timefram accomplishment not what have you done this week type thing
The other thing
some people don't seem to understand is these lists mean absolutely NOTHING!
If you are a hardcore boxing nut (90% of Saddonians) your opinion is just as valid as these journos ;)
100% agreed...These list are so hard to do anyways...Any legit fans list is pretty close to the ones anyone else makes
Exactly!
Everyone has the same names.. just they put them in slightly different order.
I find it jarring when I read fans putting so much faith in the opinions of so called EXPERTS when they don't realise that they (the fan) probably follow boxing more closely than the "expert" journo.
Yeah true ;)
Re: Ring Magazine Top 100
This Is obvious evidence of Bias run rampant against American Heavyweights.
You will be hard pressed and at a loss for words to justify the omitting of a well polished and future Chumpion Threat as Tye Fields............ ;)
Nice Interview with Vasquez Too.
Re: Ring Magazine Top 100
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
1 Floyd Mayweather Jr
2 Manny Pacquiao
3 Juan Manuel Marquez
4 Bernard Hopkins
5 Israel Vazquez
6 Winky Wright
7 Rafael Marquez
8 Joe Calzaghe
9 Ricky Hatton
10 Miguel Cotto
11 Marco Antonio Barrera
12 Jermain Taylor
13 Shane Mosley
14 Mikkel Kessler
15 Oscar De La Hoya
16 Chris John
17 Joel Casamayor
18 Paul Williams
19 Antonio Margarito
20 Ivan Calderon
21 Juan Diaz
22 Vernon Forrest
23 Kelly Pavlik
24 Arthur Abraham
25 Cory Spinks
26 Humberto Soto
27 Joan Guzman
28 Martin Castillo
29 Hozumi Hasegawa
30 Alexander Munoz
31 Cristian Mijares
32 Nonito Donaire
33 Daisuke Naito
34 Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
35 Julio Diaz
36 Zab Judah
37 Junior Witter
38 Roman Karmazin
39 Takefumi Sakata
40 Chad Dawson
41 Hugo Cazares
42 Nobuo Nashiro
43 Zsolt Erdei
44 Antonio Tarver
45 Clinton Woods
46 Glen Johnson
47 Ulises Solis
48 Jean-Marc Mormeck
49 O'Neil Bell
50 Edwin Valero
51 Jorge Arce
52 Kassim Ouma
53 Celestino Caballero
54 Luis Perez
55 Wladimir Klitschko
56 Yutaka Niida
57 Omar Narvaez
58 Roberto Vasquez
59 Lorenzo Parra
60 Vic Darchinyan
61 Sergei Dzindziruk
62 Kermit Cintron
63 Fernando Montiel
64 Roy Jones, Jr.
65 Daniel Ponce de León
66 Jorge Barrios
67 Steve Cunningham
68 Gerry Penalosa
69 Samuel Peter
70 Felix Sturm
71 Anthony Mundine
72 Paul Malignaggi
73 David Diaz
74 Joshua Clottey
75 Jorge Linares
76 Vivian Harris
77 Luis Collazo
78 Nate Campbell
79 Steve Molitor
80 Veeraphol Sahaprom
81 Joachim Alcine
82 Travis Simms
83 Tomasz Adamek
84 Jeff Lacy
85 Robert Guerrero
86 Lucian Bute
87 Giovanni Segura
88 Oleg Maskaev
89 Ruslan Chagaev
90 Wladimir Sidorenko
91 Ricardo Cordoba
92 Edison Miranda
93 Eagle Kyowa
94 Verno Phillips
95 Omar Nino
96 Edgar Sosa
97 Jose Luis Castillo
98 Silence Mabuza
99 Michael Katsidis
100 David Haye
Taylor 12, Pavlik 23? Margrito that high?
Re: Ring Magazine Top 100
Both Cotto and Pavlik are to low IMO, Oscar at 15?
