Re: The weakest weightclass in boxing?
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Originally Posted by Rob Lewis
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Once calzaghe leaves SMe that will become rpetty weak, whislt kessler is awsome, the rest form what i have see are nothing to go out of your way for, granted i would liek to see bute more, but kessler will be the only thing @ that weight, maybe bounce back and move up for mikkel
Well Mundine should be coming back, he's definately improved since Kess beat him, as long as that eye problem isn't there he would be up there.
Kessler and Bute are both young and world class. Calzaghe as far as we know may stay at 168. Jean Pascal is quite a talent (and ego) he is up there with Bute. Then you have the pack
Bika
Manfredo Jr.
Berrio
Stieglitz
Green
Miranda
I don't think any of them are at the top level, but they all have something to challenge an up and comer with (except maybe Manfredo)
apart form mikkel i don't rate any of them really
LMW should have spinks, ouma, forrest, baldi (i mean he beat judah) karmizan, much better bunch than the rest at SMW.
How can you not rate Mundine, Bute or Pascal? Put it this way
Top Four guys in the division
168
Calzaghe
Kessler
Mundine
Bute
Pascal (if you take out Calzaghe)
154
Spinks
Baldomir
Ouma (now at 160)
Forrest
really?
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Did you purposely leave out Froch? ;D
I gotta see if Tam is still up ;D
Re: The weakest weightclass in boxing?
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Originally Posted by killersheep
Which weightclass do you think has the least depth right now?
For me it's currently 154
Look at the title holders
WBA) Joachim Alcine (31), beat Travis Simms in a completely uneventful fight, he was basically handed the belt
WBO) Sergiy Dzinziruk (31), is keeping his title by fighting rookies in Germany
WBC) Vernon Forrest (36), Beat Baldomir for the title that PBF vacated, probably the best thing going at 154
IBF) Cory Spinks (29), boring fighter with great speed, couldn't get the nod at 160 against Taylor, so he's back fighting Verno Philips
on his 20th anniversary of being a pro.
The Contenders
ODLH (34) - we will have to wait until at least May and even then there is no marketable reason for him to fight at 154
Travis Simms (36) - His last outing proved even if you have all the talent in the world, lack of motivation will trump all you try to do
Verno Philips (37) - Definately past his best days, coming up on 20 years as a pro
Baldomechinacal (36) - Hard to not root for the guy, always the underdog and always showing heart, it's just not enough anymore at this level.
Joel Julio (22)- OK here's a decent prospect, my money is that he moves up to 160 within the year. Besides getting schooled on the art of the jab by Quintana and cutting it a little too close with Rivera, he definately has the head movement and power to make waves.
Michele Piccirillo (37) - Opening December by fighting Vernon Forrest, another definate contender, but too little too late IMO his best days are behind him
Roman Karmazin (34) - Lost close decisions to Castillejo and Spinks, the OTHER solid prospect in my opinion
So from all of this what i see is two solid contenders and a couple that are gonna move up or down in weight and the rest are a few fights away from retirement.
What's your opinions?
Great thread/post killer... Well done :appl:
I was just thinking this last night as I put together my fav. fighters list in 'eagles' thread. I put ODLH as my fav. in that div.
As far as Super Star names yes, they are the weakest. Their are no established champs and or fighters who jump out at you.
The one that seems to be the most talented is content with staying in his country Sergiy. Most def. the weakest div. of all
Re: The weakest weightclass in boxing?
Let Froch beat a top 30 guy before he is ranked top 5. Most overrated and overhyped fighter in boxing at the moment. His ranking should be in the 20's at best.
Re: The weakest weightclass in boxing?
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Before opening this thread first thing I thought was - 154 ;)
Same here
Re: The weakest weightclass in boxing?
For me the CW and if we are going with the weakest era ever it has to be Cw the only star they had was Evander.
Re: The weakest weightclass in boxing?
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Originally Posted by eagle
Let Froch beat a top 30 guy before he is ranked top 5. Most overrated and overhyped fighter in boxing at the moment. His ranking should be in the 20's at best.
That maybe so but he's ranked
WBC - 2
WBO - 5
IBF - 3
Ring - 6
He's impressing some.
Re: The weakest weightclass in boxing?
I would say the other weight classes could beat up the strawweights.
Re: The weakest weightclass in boxing?
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by eagle
Let Froch beat a top 30 guy before he is ranked top 5. Most overrated and overhyped fighter in boxing at the moment. His ranking should be in the 20's at best.
That maybe so but he's ranked
WBC - 2
WBO - 5
IBF - 3
Ring - 6
He's impressing some.
You just listed the rankings of the alphabet titles to eagle... oh! o!
This is gonna be interesting..... :)
Re: The weakest weightclass in boxing?
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by eagle
Let Froch beat a top 30 guy before he is ranked top 5. Most overrated and overhyped fighter in boxing at the moment. His ranking should be in the 20's at best.
That maybe so but he's ranked
WBC - 2
WBO - 5
IBF - 3
Ring - 6
He's impressing some.
You just listed the rankings of the alphabet titles to eagle... oh! o!
This is gonna be interesting..... :)
Is eagle not a fan of the alphabets? Good for him. ;)
Re: The weakest weightclass in boxing?
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by eagle
Let Froch beat a top 30 guy before he is ranked top 5. Most overrated and overhyped fighter in boxing at the moment. His ranking should be in the 20's at best.
That maybe so but he's ranked
WBC - 2
WBO - 5
IBF - 3
Ring - 6
He's impressing some.
You just listed the rankings of the alphabet titles to eagle... oh! o!
This is gonna be interesting..... :)
Is eagle not a fan of the alphabets? Good for him. ;)
Nope.
Curious to see what he'll reply as I think you two have got a good dabete going here.
Re: The weakest weightclass in boxing?
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by eagle
Let Froch beat a top 30 guy before he is ranked top 5. Most overrated and overhyped fighter in boxing at the moment. His ranking should be in the 20's at best.
That maybe so but he's ranked
WBC - 2
WBO - 5
IBF - 3
Ring - 6
He's impressing some.
You just listed the rankings of the alphabet titles to eagle... oh! o!
This is gonna be interesting..... :)
Is eagle not a fan of the alphabets? Good for him. ;)
Nope.
Curious to see what he'll reply as I think you two have got a good dabete going here.
Oh right. I'm just pointing out he's highly rated by the alphabets and The Ring magazine though. So maybe Froch is the most overrated and hyped fighter in boxing... but he must be doing something right ;)
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by eagle
Let Froch beat a top 30 guy before he is ranked top 5. Most overrated and overhyped fighter in boxing at the moment. His ranking should be in the 20's at best.
That maybe so but he's ranked
WBC - 2
WBO - 5
IBF - 3
Ring - 6
He's impressing some.
You just listed the rankings of the alphabet titles to eagle... oh! o!
This is gonna be interesting..... :)
Is eagle not a fan of the alphabets? Good for him. ;)
Nope.
Curious to see what he'll reply as I think you two have got a good dabete going here.
Oh right. I'm just pointing out he's highly rated by the alphabets and The Ring magazine though. So maybe Froch is the most overrated and hyped fighter in boxing... but he must be doing something right ;)
I agree hes MUST be doing something right cause I myself don't see how hes rated so high by the org.
Re: The weakest weightclass in boxing?
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by eagle
Let Froch beat a top 30 guy before he is ranked top 5. Most overrated and overhyped fighter in boxing at the moment. His ranking should be in the 20's at best.
That maybe so but he's ranked
WBC - 2
WBO - 5
IBF - 3
Ring - 6
He's impressing some.
You just listed the rankings of the alphabet titles to eagle... oh! o!
This is gonna be interesting..... :)
Is eagle not a fan of the alphabets? Good for him. ;)
Nope.
Curious to see what he'll reply as I think you two have got a good dabete going here.
Oh right. I'm just pointing out he's highly rated by the alphabets and The Ring magazine though. So maybe Froch is the most overrated and hyped fighter in boxing... but he must be doing something right ;)
I think he is well overrated in the rankings aswell i mean guys like Dodson, Magee, Tatevosyan, Reid, i doubt any of these names are even top 20 in the world maybe Reid was but the others i doubt it i don't know what there official ranking was when Froch fought them but i doubt they were rated top 20 except for Reid.
Re: The weakest weightclass in boxing?
I think ICB nailed it on the head when he named Frochs opponents, made up of washed up porn stars and crash test dummies. He may be ranked high by the alphabets but i'd pick any top 5 guy to beat Carl. Calzaghe Kessler Bute Mundine Bika Green, would all school him. Add Taylor and Pavlik soon and Froch will be lucky to be more than a gatekeeper soon. If he was that good they'd have had him in with a tough opponent by now.
Re: The weakest weightclass in boxing?
I say super welter too. cc.
