Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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the only way Hatton would ever beat Floyd is if he lands a body shot out of no where that paralyzes him. Like the shot Hopkins hit Oscar with.
he isn't going to outbox him in a million years and he sure isn't going to be able to instigate a plan that he is going to successfully follow for 12 rounds because Floyd is a great adapter at changing up his style depending on the circumstance.
Hatton needs to stick with what he has and hopes the body shot out of nowhere happens if he wants to win.
That was a dive.
Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
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Originally Posted by LEGION
Pressure, pressure, pressure. He can't let Floyd breathe for one second during this fight, and he can't let Floyd decide to dictate where this fight goes and when it happens. Either way Hatton is going to get punched, and he can't complicate matters by letting Floyd slip off the ropes if he can get him there, as he'll have to chase Floyd while getting pot shotted. Pressure and an effective body attack. That's all Ricky has to offer and if he doesn't make it work somehow someway he's doomed. He'll get beaten silly on the outside and it will be deja-vu for Gatti fans as that will be what it will look like. All this talk about Hatton having good footwork and hitting from angles; please, like Floyd hasn't fought better boxers than Ricky and Floyd has better both than Hatton. For Hatton to win he has to do it by the 6th round or people might as well turn the t.v. off, unless you're just a fan of watching CSI. Don't forget, Floyd never tires, and no mistake about it, he'll let Ricky run himself ragged while trying to find a home for that left hook to the body, or one of those silly lunging punches Ricky throws. No way will Ricky win a decision, lol. In America? With Floyd; who only gets better as the fight progresses? ::** Ricky has to cripple that body or he'll get beat worse than Paul Bostaph's drum kit :D Bring it on Lefty{laughingstock}Lee ;D
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Well if he hits the body like you say (and i believe) he has to, then i dont think he has to win by the 6th round. Look at Castillo, he did a good job to the body and floyd was alot slower and grabby towards the end of that fight.
I only say by the 6th round because the storm I see Ricky trying to unleash on Floyd{successful or not}, cannot be expected to be kept on pace through all 12 rounds. Ricky will have to work harder than he did with Castillo, and Floyd's not going to give him any freebies like Jose did, so his attack will have to be successful pretty early on, as if it's not he will gas out. Between unleashing a blitz on Floyd and getting punched the whole time, it will tax him, and once he gasses Floyd will literally inhale him. I don't think I'm alone when I say the only way Rick can beat Floyd is tons of effective pressure to his body, and while Rick is getting more and more tired Floyd will still be fresh in the later rounds and will do a complete body wax on Ricky, unless Rick can break that body. I'm not a hater as anyone who knows me knows I want Ricky to win, but as I said before I'll be happy if Ricky is still standing{on his own} at the last round :-\ Floyd by 7th or 8th round tko. {Here come the Silent Sad Clicks :'(}
Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
2. He must employ a cross armed defence up close as i feel Flyd will pot shot with upercuts inside.
Although this is so not going to happen, you are spot on.
Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
Oscar, a much bigger puncher than HAtton at a higher weight, hit Mayweahter with plenty of body shots to no great effect, Castillo didn't slow down MAyweather all that much with body shots, and at his best he was just as good as Hatton with the left hook to the body. What Hatton needs to do is plant his head just right so that Mayweather's fist always hits him in the forhead, it will open him up to uppercuts, but if he gets Mayweather's hand broken it will be much easier to put pressure on him because the counter rights won't be as hard. I know it sounds like a joke, but its a strategy I've seen plenty of times. Or Hatton can use his head ala Holyfield, Hopkins, I've always wondered how Floyd would deal with that. The only problem though is that Mayweather likes to push off with his elbow which might cut HAtton badly.
Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Originally Posted by JimBoogie
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
2. He must employ a cross armed defence up close as i feel Flyd will pot shot with upercuts inside.
Although this is so not going to happen, you are spot on.
Actually thats incorrect Larry Holmes once told me if you do cross arm defense on inside you are going to get alot of black eyes from uppercuts.
Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
I think there are alot of things people point to as keys to Victory and point to the Tszyu victory as his crowning moment. I just feel that Hatton has to be 4x as good as he was in the Tszyu fight and put on a once in a lifetime performance.
I agree 100%
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Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Originally Posted by LEGION
Pressure, pressure, pressure. He can't let Floyd breathe for one second during this fight, and he can't let Floyd decide to dictate where this fight goes and when it happens. Either way Hatton is going to get punched, and he can't complicate matters by letting Floyd slip off the ropes if he can get him there, as he'll have to chase Floyd while getting pot shotted. Pressure and an effective body attack. That's all Ricky has to offer and if he doesn't make it work somehow someway he's doomed. He'll get beaten silly on the outside and it will be deja-vu for Gatti fans as that will be what it will look like. All this talk about Hatton having good footwork and hitting from angles; please, like Floyd hasn't fought better boxers than Ricky and Floyd has better both than Hatton. For Hatton to win he has to do it by the 6th round or people might as well turn the t.v. off, unless you're just a fan of watching CSI. Don't forget, Floyd never tires, and no mistake about it, he'll let Ricky run himself ragged while trying to find a home for that left hook to the body, or one of those silly lunging punches Ricky throws. No way will Ricky win a decision, lol. In America? With Floyd; who only gets better as the fight progresses? ::** Ricky has to cripple that body or he'll get beat worse than Paul Bostaph's drum kit :D Bring it on Lefty{laughingstock}Lee ;D
DISCLAIMER: I'm mostly wrong in my predictions :dunce:
Here's me if I'm wrong........................................ :moped:
I think you are wrong to dismiss Ricky's strengths with footwork, footspeed, and angles, especially angles when hooking to the body and fighting inside. I'm not sure that Floyd has faced a guy who throws to the body from the angles that Ricky throws. If Ricky has enough footspeed and movement to get inside, those angles will give Ricky a CHANCE to hurt Floyd to the body. Castillo throws to the body, but I think Ricky has better inside footwork to get clean shots to the body, especially the liver and the kidneys (yes, I know kidney shots are illegal, but they happen). Without the inside footwork to create better punching opening, Floyd will just deflect the body shots like he did against Oscar and to a degree Castillo.
From Taeth:
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What Hatton needs to do is plant his head just right so that Mayweather's fist always hits him in the forhead, it will open him up to uppercuts, but if he gets Mayweather's hand broken it will be much easier to put pressure on him because the counter rights won't be as hard.
I think you are on to something with that. Use the hard part of the head to block and deflect and hope to break a hand. He wouldn't be the first, and it would make the fight more winable for Hatton if Floyd breaks a paw.
Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Originally Posted by RozzySean
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Originally Posted by LEGION
Pressure, pressure, pressure. He can't let Floyd breathe for one second during this fight, and he can't let Floyd decide to dictate where this fight goes and when it happens. Either way Hatton is going to get punched, and he can't complicate matters by letting Floyd slip off the ropes if he can get him there, as he'll have to chase Floyd while getting pot shotted. Pressure and an effective body attack. That's all Ricky has to offer and if he doesn't make it work somehow someway he's doomed. He'll get beaten silly on the outside and it will be deja-vu for Gatti fans as that will be what it will look like. All this talk about Hatton having good footwork and hitting from angles; please, like Floyd hasn't fought better boxers than Ricky and Floyd has better both than Hatton. For Hatton to win he has to do it by the 6th round or people might as well turn the t.v. off, unless you're just a fan of watching CSI. Don't forget, Floyd never tires, and no mistake about it, he'll let Ricky run himself ragged while trying to find a home for that left hook to the body, or one of those silly lunging punches Ricky throws. No way will Ricky win a decision, lol. In America? With Floyd; who only gets better as the fight progresses? ::** Ricky has to cripple that body or he'll get beat worse than Paul Bostaph's drum kit :D Bring it on Lefty{laughingstock}Lee ;D
DISCLAIMER: I'm mostly wrong in my predictions :dunce:
Here's me if I'm wrong........................................ :moped:
I think you are wrong to dismiss Ricky's strengths with footwork, footspeed, and angles, especially angles when hooking to the body and fighting inside. I'm not sure that Floyd has faced a guy who throws to the body from the angles that Ricky throws. If Ricky has enough footspeed and movement to get inside, those angles will give Ricky a CHANCE to hurt Floyd to the body. Castillo throws to the body, but I think Ricky has better inside footwork to get clean shots to the body, especially the liver and the kidneys (yes, I know kidney shots are illegal, but they happen). Without the inside footwork to create better punching opening, Floyd will just deflect the body shots like he did against Oscar and to a degree Castillo.
From Taeth:
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What Hatton needs to do is plant his head just right so that Mayweather's fist always hits him in the forhead, it will open him up to uppercuts, but if he gets Mayweather's hand broken it will be much easier to put pressure on him because the counter rights won't be as hard.
I think you are on to something with that. Use the hard part of the head to block and deflect and hope to break a hand. He wouldn't be the first, and it would make the fight more winable for Hatton if Floyd breaks a paw.
I think you are wrong to dismiss Ricky's strengths with footwork, footspeed, and angles, especially angles when hooking to the body and fighting inside.
Yes that is correct but for Hatton to do all his best work he needs to stay on the inside Mayweather will not allow Hatton to get close enough to use angles on the inside.
I'm not sure that Floyd has faced a guy who throws to the body from the angles that Ricky throws.
Maybe so but Mayweather has fought plenty of swarmer's before so Mayweather knows what to expect Hatton has only fought one fast fighter in his career so this is new territory for Hatton stylistic wise.
Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Originally Posted by Majesty
Look.
the only way Hatton would ever beat Floyd is if he lands a body shot out of no where that paralyzes him. Like the shot Hopkins hit Oscar with.
he isn't going to outbox him in a million years and he sure isn't going to be able to instigate a plan that he is going to successfully follow for 12 rounds because Floyd is a great adapter at changing up his style depending on the circumstance.
Hatton needs to stick with what he has and hopes the body shot out of nowhere happens if he wants to win.
how can you say that after castilo floyd I. Floyd is a great athlete, but he IS HUMAN. constant body shots WILL have an affect on floyd just like it did before. the point here is can he land enough to slow floyd down and keep him against the ropes.
Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
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Originally Posted by Majesty
Look.
the only way Hatton would ever beat Floyd is if he lands a body shot out of no where that paralyzes him. Like the shot Hopkins hit Oscar with.
he isn't going to outbox him in a million years and he sure isn't going to be able to instigate a plan that he is going to successfully follow for 12 rounds because Floyd is a great adapter at changing up his style depending on the circumstance.
Hatton needs to stick with what he has and hopes the body shot out of nowhere happens if he wants to win.
how can you say that after castilo floyd I. Floyd is a great athlete, but he IS HUMAN. constant body shots WILL have an affect on floyd just like it did before. the point here is can he land enough to slow floyd down and keep him against the ropes.
Quite easily Mayweather had bad injury to his shoulder in the 1st Castillo. And in rematch outboxed Castillo easily so whats your point ??
Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by JimBoogie
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
2. He must employ a cross armed defence up close as i feel Floyd will pot shot with uppercuts inside.
Although this is so not going to happen, you are spot on.
Actually that's incorrect Larry Holmes once told me if you do cross arm defense on inside you are going to get alot of black eyes from uppercuts.
Actually son that's a well known fact that the cross armed defence is a good antidote for the uppercut on the inside !!!!!!!! doesn't always work but generally does. A few black lumps and bumps and a win , are better than having your head taken off by Floyd's counters , SEE MY POINT ????????
When did Larry Holmes "ONCE" tell you this? when u were in kindergarden ?? lol :Sarcasm:
Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by JimBoogie
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
2. He must employ a cross armed defence up close as i feel Floyd will pot shot with uppercuts inside.
Although this is so not going to happen, you are spot on.
Actually that's incorrect Larry Holmes once told me if you do cross arm defense on inside you are going to get alot of black eyes from uppercuts.
Actually son that's a well known fact that the cross armed defence is a good antidote for the uppercut on the inside !!!!!!!! doesn't always work but generally does. A few black lumps and bumps and a win , are better than having your head taken off by Floyd's counters , SEE MY POINT ????????
When did Larry Holmes "ONCE" tell you this? when u were in kindergarden ?? lol :Sarcasm:
Here you go.
THE CROSS OVER DEFENSE IS NOT THE BEST SINCE YOU LEAVE YOUR UPPER HEAD OPEN AND EVENTUALLY YOU HAVE TO BE OPEN WHEN YOU DROP YOUR ARMS. YOU ARE OPEN FOR UPPERCUTS AND MORE BLACK EYES.
it may confuse them but after a while your opponnet will see you open up and shot some uppercuts and head shots. A good fighter will adapt to the fight. you don't fight fighters you fight styles.
Thats a quote from Larry Holmes himself.
http://larryholmes.com/message_board...ighlight=#2330
Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by JimBoogie
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
2. He must employ a cross armed defence up close as i feel Floyd will pot shot with uppercuts inside.
Although this is so not going to happen, you are spot on.
Actually that's incorrect Larry Holmes once told me if you do cross arm defense on inside you are going to get alot of black eyes from uppercuts.
Actually son that's a well known fact that the cross armed defence is a good antidote for the uppercut on the inside !!!!!!!! doesn't always work but generally does. A few black lumps and bumps and a win , are better than having your head taken off by Floyd's counters , SEE MY POINT ????????
When did Larry Holmes "ONCE" tell you this? when u were in kindergarden ?? lol :Sarcasm:
Here you go.
THE CROSS OVER DEFENSE IS NOT THE BEST SINCE YOU LEAVE YOUR UPPER HEAD OPEN AND EVENTUALLY YOU HAVE TO BE OPEN WHEN YOU DROP YOUR ARMS. YOU ARE OPEN FOR UPPERCUTS AND MORE BLACK EYES.
it may confuse them but after a while your opponnet will see you open up and shot some uppercuts and head shots. A good fighter will adapt to the fight. you don't fight fighters you fight styles.
Thats a quote from Larry Holmes himself.
http://larryholmes.com/message_board...ighlight=#2330
Although I'm not particularly bothered by what Larry Holmes has to say. I admit that i realise that to twist, turn & roll away from shots against Mayweather (if your Hatton) would actually be a very very bad idea.
Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
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Originally Posted by Majesty
Look.
the only way Hatton would ever beat Floyd is if he lands a body shot out of no where that paralyzes him. Like the shot Hopkins hit Oscar with.
he isn't going to outbox him in a million years and he sure isn't going to be able to instigate a plan that he is going to successfully follow for 12 rounds because Floyd is a great adapter at changing up his style depending on the circumstance.
Hatton needs to stick with what he has and hopes the body shot out of nowhere happens if he wants to win.
how can you say that after castilo floyd I. Floyd is a great athlete, but he IS HUMAN. constant body shots WILL have an affect on floyd just like it did before. the point here is can he land enough to slow floyd down and keep him against the ropes.
Quite easily Mayweather had bad injury to his shoulder in the 1st Castillo. And in rematch outboxed Castillo
easily so whats your point ??
Maybe you should watch that second fight again. 115-113 isn't an easy day by anyones means. Also, those body punches by Castillo had a tremendous effect on floyds movement, yes his legs, not his arm. Repetitive body shots can damage/slow down/ immobilize the best of the best athletes in the world. Yes even Floyd, which we saw before.
Re: Hatton - keys to possible victory.
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
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Originally Posted by Majesty
Look.
the only way Hatton would ever beat Floyd is if he lands a body shot out of no where that paralyzes him. Like the shot Hopkins hit Oscar with.
he isn't going to outbox him in a million years and he sure isn't going to be able to instigate a plan that he is going to successfully follow for 12 rounds because Floyd is a great adapter at changing up his style depending on the circumstance.
Hatton needs to stick with what he has and hopes the body shot out of nowhere happens if he wants to win.
how can you say that after castilo floyd I. Floyd is a great athlete, but he IS HUMAN. constant body shots WILL have an affect on floyd just like it did before. the point here is can he land enough to slow floyd down and keep him against the ropes.
Quite easily Mayweather had bad injury to his shoulder in the 1st Castillo. And in rematch outboxed Castillo
easily so whats your point ??
Maybe you should watch that second fight again. 115-113 isn't an easy day by anyones means. Also, those body punches by Castillo had a tremendous effect on floyds movement, yes his legs, not his arm. Repetitive body shots can damage/slow down/ immobilize the best of the best athletes in the world. Yes even Floyd, which we saw before.
Mayweather was clear winner by atleast 4 rounds on my card.
