How Important is a Good Trainer?

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Very important.... I mean give Joe C. a shitty trainer who's telling Joe he was loosing the fight coming into the 12th round against Kess and that he needed a KO or else he'd loose? Joes not counting the rounds in his head he's got more important things on his mind that's why he has his trainer to let him know how he's doing so yes a good trainer is indeed very important. I'm gonna give you 2 trainers a good one and a bad one.

Good Tainer: "You gotta fucken get inside of 'em now"

Bad Trainer: "The fight is hanging on this round Mel, this is the last and final round you need it"


A more recent example of how important a trainer can be is Abner watch him pre-Nacho and then watch him post-Nacho see the major difference.
Watch BCD pre-Floyd Sr. and then watch BCD post-Floyd Sr. see the major difference there.

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Who was the second bad trainer quote? I got the first but the second I can't figure out.
Also you can't judge Dawson on one single fight since being with Floyd Sr. Are you suggesting that Floyd Sr is a good trainer or a bad one because I'm not sure what you meant?


*I fixed your post, you had put your comment inside of my post. :P

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Originally Posted by Hulk

Didn't the great Julio Ceasar Chavez train himself for like his first 80 fights or something?

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No, JCCs always had someone there in his corner.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Very important.... I mean give Joe C. a shitty trainer who's telling Joe he was loosing the fight coming into the 12th round against Kess and that he needed a KO or else he'd loose? Joes not counting the rounds in his head he's got more important things on his mind that's why he has his trainer to let him know how he's doing so yes a good trainer is indeed very important. I'm gonna give you 2 trainers a good one and a bad one.

Good Tainer: "You gotta fucken get inside of 'em now"

Bad Trainer: "The fight is hanging on this round Mel, this is the last and final round you need it"


A more recent example of how important a trainer can be is Abner watch him pre-Nacho and then watch him post-Nacho see the major difference.
Watch BCD pre-Floyd Sr. and then watch BCD post-Floyd Sr. see the major difference there.

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Who was the second bad trainer quote? I got the first but the second I can't figure out.
Also you can't judge Dawson on one single fight since being with Floyd Sr. Are you suggesting that Floyd Sr is a good trainer or a bad one because I'm not sure what you meant?

*I fixed your post, you had put your comment inside of my post. :P

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Duvas instructions to Meldrick coming into the 12th round of the JCC fight.
Of course I can judge BCD on 1 fight alone with Floyd, I'll tell you why because IMO theres was a major difference there.
I'm saying that BCD improved and looked A LOT better with Floyd in his corner, his defense was better and his ring generalship improved a lot more.
He moved well used the entire ring and just had a good flow in the ring.

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Originally Posted by Scrap

Youve got more chance with a good one than a bad one.

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So has the trainer ;)

So true ;D cc

CC back, scrap



This question is bit of a chicken and egg job.

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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn

I was having an arguement with a buddy of mine about trainers...He tried to say that the trainer does not matter...once the fighhter knows how to fight the trainer is just there more or less for workouts etc....

I tried to argue the fact that many of great fighters have been brought to new levels by a great trainer...and explained the importance of certain trainers knowing how to get the most of a fighter...

He continues to disagree...Just wondering what some of eveyones opp is on how important a good trainer is for a fighter at any level be it on a physical or mental level

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Yeah those new trainers worked a treat for Tyson didnt they,who needs Cus

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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn

I was having an arguement with a buddy of mine about trainers...He tried to say that the trainer does not matter...once the fighhter knows how to fight the trainer is just there more or less for workouts etc....

I tried to argue the fact that many of great fighters have been brought to new levels by a great trainer...and explained the importance of certain trainers knowing how to get the most of a fighter...

He continues to disagree...Just wondering what some of eveyones opp is on how important a good trainer is for a fighter at any level be it on a physical or mental level

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A good trainer is very important. I used to have Gola...but they rubbed at the heel...but then I bough some Nike Air and now they feel great and I can run much further ;D ;D ;D

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Good Tainer: "You gotta fucken get inside of 'em now"

Bad Trainer: "The fight is hanging on this round Mel, this is the last and final round you need it"

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I like this little bit alot.

I have one of my own

Good Trainer: Your mama never read to you when you were a baby. How does that make you feel?

Bad Trainer: Stickenmoove! Stickenmoove! or Jab-Jab-Jibbity-Jab, left-hook to the belly 'cause it's nuttin' but flab

I like yours much better, Mick.

Great trainers only benefit fighters that listen. I would say that the rule of thumb is a trainer makes all the difference, you can't see what you are doing while you are doing it, I don't care how good you are or what your experience is without sparring AND a good trainer's critique you won't get to a pro level (I'm sure there are exceptions, but this is the rule of thumb)

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Originally Posted by LEGION

Depends on both the trainer and fighter. Look at Manny with JT. Obviously Manny is a legend, but he can't seem to crack that shell known as JT's mental state. JT's got all the tools but doesn't listen, and no trainer can make him, unless they legalize firearms in the ring so Manny can stick a gun in JT's face and wake his a** up. Look at Judah, I think that is a case of bad training and weak mentality. Zab looks for sympathy with his family and seems to zone out or something, I don't know. Would be interesting to see if a different trainer could be beneficial or even more detrimental to Zab. I believe though the fighter has to want it and listen to the trainer, or it's all for nothing. Talent without focus and desire is still just talent. Just look at Balboa after Mick died ::** May be off base, just my thoughts.

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Now look at Cintron! ;)

Any coach that trys to change the reason psychodynamics behind the action isnt a good coach.

Bad Trainer: Ok Zab, I wanna see bam bam bam boom. Then bah bah bah bah til you slip out.

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Originally Posted by LEGION

Depends on both the trainer and fighter. Look at Manny with JT. Obviously Manny is a legend, but he can't seem to crack that shell known as JT's mental state. JT's got all the tools but doesn't listen, and no trainer can make him, unless they legalize firearms in the ring so Manny can stick a gun in JT's face and wake his a** up. Look at Judah, I think that is a case of bad training and weak mentality. Zab looks for sympathy with his family and seems to zone out or something, I don't know. Would be interesting to see if a different trainer could be beneficial or even more detrimental to Zab. I believe though the fighter has to want it and listen to the trainer, or it's all for nothing. Talent without focus and desire is still just talent. Just look at Balboa after Mick died ::** May be off base, just my thoughts.

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Great Post! :)


I just have to add that a great trainer and a great student is KEY.

But to be a great trainer, doesn't necessarily mean your all hard on your kid fighter. Just be there to make him better. That's all your there for.

ALTHOUGH...
... a great boxer will break the rules at times and go against the trainer's wishes.

... they can't be a puppet.

Does any one agree that family members should be your trainer?
i think that they should just be left at home, i dotn want my relationship with a family member to crumble when i have to makea choice of firing him

u guys?