Re: ~ I am now FULLY convinced that no one can beat PBF ~
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by skyler
Cotto squeaked out a victory against Mosley, I find it funny how people see that as somehow translating to him hurting Floyd badly, let alone for a single solitary moment. I think people need to start realizing that stamina is not something that can simply be attained with hard training, it's like skill, some people simply have more of it than others, and Floyd has both more skill AND stamina than any boxer in the world. He is arguably the best conditioned athlete on the planet. And people also need to stop acting as if Hatton hit like a featherweight. No one, not Hatton, Mayweather, Cotto, or Williams, possesses one punch knock out power. This notion that Cotto will somehow devastate Mayweather is mildly hysterical.
Well if you think Cotto having a close fight with Mosley means Mayweather Jr. would toy with him then your thoughts are just as hysterical as those who thin Cotto will KO him in 1.
All I know is Miguel beats anyone put infront of him and whenever he's hurt he fires back with harder shots and he does have a decent chin, he's been caught with some huge punches and he's come back and won.
Paul Williams is just a freak, 100+ punches a round, left handed, and he's 6'1 and he can take a shot too.
Floyd is a great fighter there is no arguing that but he hasn't beaten the best in this division yet, he hasn't even come close.....he's beaten some good fighters but if he beat Cotto and Williams then I would be forced to pair him with Leonard, Robinson, Hearns, and Duran
Point out where I said Floyd would Toy with Cotto then come talk to me, until then don't put words in someone's mouth. Cotto is undoubtedly stronger than Hatton, but let's put the make believe act to bed though that he's somehow 'twice' as strong as Hatton. There's one aspect people seem to be forgetting about, and that's accuracy. Mosley is nowhere near as accurate as Floyd is, I really haven't even seen anyone who is since Pernell Whitaker. People also are funny in thinking Cotto can just march on through and not feel any pain. He will get picked apart, and Floyd, although no Tommy Hearns in the power department, has enough power to earn ANY welterweight's respect.
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Mick Im also fully convinced that as Ive said before, we will all be sat watching fights with children/grandchildren many years down the line an they'll be talking about some welterweight star and we'll tell them.........he wouldnt have beaten Floyd Mayweather Jnr ;D
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Agreed it seems that way after this fight. We lost the signal where i watched it so missed some of the middle rounds. I agree with you about Cortez. He was in a bit too much early, the first 2 rounds in particular but he settled and let the fighters sort it out i thought. And Hatton got beaten by a better fighter, that's all.
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I don't see how anyone can be FULLY CONVINCED that PBF cannot be beat when he CLEARLY has NOT fought the BEST in his division!
Until he fights Cotto and after Williams has a few more fights underneath then there is NO WAY anyone can say that Floyd has beat the BEST in his division period!
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Have a CC on me mick. Great post, I admire the fact that you are one of a very limited breed that puts personal bias and favoritism aside and calls em like he sees him. Agreed with ya 100%
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Originally Posted by BoomBoom
I dont think it was a brilliant performance at all. He has looked much better in the past imo. He was throwing one punch at a time for the first 8 rounds and when he started to hurt Hatton only then did he start putting punches toghether. Yes he did fight well on the inside but he also fought very dirty. Good win but not a great performance compared to some of his past fights. He looked very vulnerable last night imo.
I agree with you BoomBoom. Floyd looked scared and he fought dirty. He was one trick ponying Hatton and Floyd was hitting and holding. The one thing camp Floyd was accusing Floyd of doing, he himself was doing. Cotto was there first hand to see what a sorry @ss fighter Floyd really is. I thought Floyd was better than this but he is worse than I thought.
Floyd was just waiting on Ricky and Ricky was walking into those one shooter hits from Floyd. I was not impressed.
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Originally Posted by Puya
Well I criticize it from day one when I heard that the fight will take place at 147 instead at 140 but that's Hatton's fault for accepting that. Why in GODS GREEN EARTH if you are fighting at 154 and then challenge the top guy at 140 to fight at 147 knowing he did not did so good in his last visit at that weight.
Hey I like Ricky 5'6" he along Cotto 5'8.5" and Tito 5'11" among others are in my boxing dictionary right beside the word heart.
Hey Floyd 5'9" has mad skill but I can't call him the best WW while he is no fighting the best at WW.
No way is Floyd 5 ft 9. I know they always quote his height at either 5 ft 8 or 9 but trust me he ain't any bigger than 5 ft 7 1/2 tops.
Hatton is 5 ft 6and there wasn't any more than an inch difference between them.
When Floyd fought Coralles, who I believe was 5 ft 11 he looked tiny, like he was fighting Goliath or something.
I reckon 5 ft 7 1/2 is exactly how tall he is.
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Originally Posted by BoomBoom
I dont think it was a brilliant performance at all. He has looked much better in the past imo. He was throwing one punch at a time for the first 8 rounds and when he started to hurt Hatton only then did he start putting punches toghether. Yes he did fight well on the inside but he also fought very dirty. Good win but not a great performance compared to some of his past fights. He looked very vulnerable last night imo.
I agree with you BoomBoom. Floyd looked scared and he fought dirty. He was one trick ponying Hatton and Floyd was hitting and holding. The one thing camp Floyd was accusing Floyd of doing, he himself was doing. Cotto was there first hand to see what a sorry @ss fighter Floyd really is. I thought Floyd was better than this but he is worse than I thought.
Floyd was just waiting on Ricky and Ricky was walking into those one shooter hits from Floyd. I was not impressed.
Dont get me wrong, I dont think Floyds not a sorry @ss fighter I just wasnt overly immpressed last night. He beat Hatton because he was supossed to beat Hatton. He had almost every advantage. I was more impressed with Ricky actually because he was the one who was taking the bigger risk by fighting him at Welterweight. Neither guy looked great last night though.
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1 ring magazine signed by floyd made you a groupie mick hahaha i kid i kid ;D
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Floyd fought a great fight last night, his defense was impecable, he picked his shot well and he fought on the inside where a lot of people felt Hatton would dominate. Floyd showed great versitility, took Hatton off his game and fought an intellegent fight. I dont know how you can say Floyd was scared he made Hatton miss countered well and mixed it up on the inside i didnt see him run no where.
Its funny how before the fight Hatton was given a great chance by a lot of people on this board but now everyone is saying Mayweather was always going to beat him. Give Floyd credit hes the best fighter in the world period and untill someone beat him nothings gonna change that. All other fighter at WW have weaknesses Floyd has very few if any. Cotto can be knocked down and shook, Williams is still green put him in there with some top guys and see how he fairs i mean common Margatio has been beat 5 times, Cintron has been beat and he doesnt seem to like pressure, Mosley has slowed down a touch.
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To tell you the truth i loved PBf wins but that to me does not make him unbeatable Hatton very beatable at 147 and would lose to the top guys. But i will say that Pbf did impress me buy the knock out. But as far as Williams is concerned i can not see PBF winning his style not made for Willaims at all. And as far Cotto i going with him i never betting against him again after Shane say what you like but until PBF fights them we will never know.
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Originally Posted by BoomBoom
I dont think it was a brilliant performance at all. He has looked much better in the past imo. He was throwing one punch at a time for the first 8 rounds and when he started to hurt Hatton only then did he start putting punches toghether. Yes he did fight well on the inside but he also fought very dirty. Good win but not a great performance compared to some of his past fights. He looked very vulnerable last night imo.
Well Boom, even if it was just one shot at a time it was much more then what Hatton was "trying" to do. I say trying because Hatton was NOT succeeding at his game plan. IMO, PBF was out smarting Hatton full on. The way that one shot was landing flush it was more dramatic and more of an impression than anything Hatton was doing.
You gotta credit PBF for beating Hatton at his own game. You have to whether you believe it was dirty or not. I mean it's a fight not a tickling contest and PBF understood that from the beginig. I gotta diasgree Boom I really think it was a brilliant performance from PBF.
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I still do not understand why you think Pbf beating Hatton makes him Unbeatable with Cotto and Williams they are in a different ball park.
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
There might be no one out there can beat Floyd right now. But like all fighters, Floyd will eventually lose at some point. All fighters lose to father time at some point. 2-3 years from now, Floyd will have lost a step, and some younger stronger fighter will beat him.
But right now he is the best fighter in the world by a considerable margin, and it's been that way for several years.
Right on Sweet...
Do you really think PBF will be fighting in 2-3 yrs?
In his post fight interview he said:
"I wont let boxing retire me, I'll retire from boxing" - PBF
Well I hope hes smart enough to when to say when.
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Mick Im also fully convinced that as Ive said before, we will all be sat watching fights with children/grandchildren many years down the line an they'll be talking about some welterweight star and we'll tell them.........he wouldnt have beaten Floyd Mayweather Jnr ;D
Very true Memphis... :)
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I don't see how anyone can be FULLY CONVINCED that PBF cannot be beat when he CLEARLY has NOT fought the BEST in his division!
As I said I am by far the biggest Cotto fan here but I don't see how Cotto can beat PBF.
I'm sorry but I don't.... PBF is IMO light years ahead of everyone something like Pernell was in the 90's just in a league of their own.
PBF is too skilled for Cotto and the same way he nullified Hatton attack he'd nullify Cottos attack I don't care how much of a natural Welter Cotto is PBFs skills exceed far beyond anyone at 147 or 154.
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Until he fights Cotto and after Williams has a few more fights underneath then there is NO WAY anyone can say that Floyd has beat the BEST in his division period!
Guess what then once he beats Cotto & Williams maybe Berto will be around by then.
Then people will say well what about Berto and so on and so on. Until father time catches up to PBF and he ends up loosing to one of the young bloods. But by then we'll all know PBF was past his best.... Sanchez786 that's the cycle of boxing as the seasoned fighters get older the much younger ones come into play and so and so on until some dethrones them.
Look at Pac he came in at a perfect time when Erik, MAB & JMM were all seasoned vets with loads of fights under them.
If PBF continues to fight this might eventually happen.
