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I would have said to use the jab on the way in. He had success in 1 and 2 with the 1,2.
I would then tell him to faint it occasionally and wait for Floyd to anticiparte him coming in and react. Then launch an assault.
I would have asked him to circle to the left and hook as Floyd leans to the right and causes a tangle if he stays in the middle or right.
Thats a really good analysis Donny. The best one I've heard someone bring up yet I think. Hatton would have done much better jabbing his way in. It would have forced Mayweather to react to it and like you say create more opportunities for Hatton. Hatton used no jab to get inside and seemed to either be waiting for Floyd to throw a punch so that he could counter it or just rushing in to throw something (anything) whether or not it would land.
So in essence his strategy was centered around only two main things: trying to counter Mayweather's leads or rushing in with his own lead punches. It's not so surprising that this failed because Floyd proved to be impossible to counter with the kinds of punches he threw. As a result we saw Hatton's attempts at counter punching fail. With this unavailable for Hatton he was left with his only other real option - to bore in and try to just hit him with his own leads. Mayweather blocked and slipped everything. His attempt to lead also proved to be a failure.
I don't quite follow what you mean to say here though
What do you mean by as floyd leans to the right? Do you mean as he is covering up his body and getting behind his shoulder? Please explain with a little more.Quote:
I would have asked him to circle to the left and hook as Floyd leans to the right and causes a tangle if he stays in the middle or right.
I dont know if just a jab comming in would work against Floyds added reach and added speed I think he would have still got clocked continualy after Floyd sees something once his reactions are ready next time.
But the feint is a working start may have the same effect as distancing himself at the jabs end and waiting for a reaction then going in.
CC Thomas, your praise is a high compliment!
What i meant there is the "Maywether shell" concentrates on Floyd moving to his right.
If he sees a jab coming he gets the left up and turns from the hips to the right.
When he see's a right, hook or uppercut he continues this motion and leans low to the right. (Remember how he got caught in the ropes.) He often ends up leaning 90 degrees.
When he leaned like this I would ask hatton to step to his right so he would be at the outside of Mayweathers hip and lead foot. I think he could throw and land to the body from there but he'd have to be very quick to get set and throw.
Well it's only a theory...Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
I think if he showed it Mayweather would immediately counter and while Mayweathers arms were extending/extended I would then throw
I was thinking he might have better working doubling his jab going away,look at the knockdown,he lunges with the jab to get in,only one jab,Floyd rolls it and puts Hattons momentum against himQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Yeah Floyd timed his overcommitment to a tee eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Going backwards wasnt even in their itinerary ,but like you say; do it with a double up then go forwards on the reaction so your covered during your move.
Like someone said back there too "your not going to beat Floyd with any one thing."
Thats so true thats why I think to do something like that creates a different thought pattern in Floyd,maybe just a reaction at first and the question after,but a moment for you to move in on so you can then do what you do best.
Either Ricky's people never gave him a plan B,in which case shame on them.Or Ricky refused to use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Because even after taking the unneeded to punishment to get in and hang on Floyd,he couldnt get his uppercut off,so he went for those big ol dirty hooks to the back of Floyds head.Every time he did it to Cortez's side,Floyd would drop an elbow on him for his troubles
I really think they overestimated Ricky's power inside,and underestimated Floyds,but still at some point you have to understand that something isnt working,and have something else to try.
Part of the dance of death on the inside is having the strength and guile to take position to get your punches off,Ricky just got out thought there,and out muscled.By the third all he was doing was hanging on,and praying hed tire Floyd's legs out by making him carry him.
Tyson,for all his flaws,was a master inside when he was younger,he'd just put his head on yours,and be able to feel what you were trying to do,and make you pay every time you tried to do it.This fight worked almost opposite,Floyd was confident enough in his defense,he let Ricky put his head on his shoulder and just countered him.
there was nothing Ricky could have to make any difference... not during the fight, not before the fight, not 5 years ago, not 10 years ago. Nothing EVER could have changed the outcome. He may have gone the distance had he covered up for that one shot, but he would have lost the decision.
Ricky's a great fighter and I like him, but floyd is just...well...."gifted." There's no explaining it other than he's a lucky bastard that got outstanding genetics to be that fast and talented.
The one big problem was he never had a plan B and when plan A did'nt work he was fucked.
Ricky's my favourite fighter so it pains me to inform you guys that Ricky didn't even use plan A :(
Move Your Head
DISCPLINE, watch the blows behind the head
Make Floyd work more, make him open up
Hooks to the chest, floyds style of blocking allows that
against floyd, everything is far easier said than done, especially considering his speed.
I never seen so much referee interference. Ricky is an inside fighter, he jockeys for position then he either pivots right or left and fires his shots.. Cortez constantly interfered right Ricky’s pivot points on the inside. Hatton had no chance to win with this referee , trust me. Cortez penalized one man and then turn a blind eye to the other. Hattons early momentum was completely disrupted. Ricky simply lost his head , I caught a rebroadcast of the match, and it just confirmed my appraisal .
I thought Ricky was doing a pretty fine job for man fighting 2 fellows at the same time .
As a Hatton fan I was chastised for a similar claim the morning after the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
I agree completely Lords and I feel that Cortez must have taken issue with Hatton prior to the fight.
At first I questioned my own logic and wondered "how had he gotten on so well in the Castillo fight had that been the case?"
However, upon watching the Cstillo fight again, I realised that Cortez was equally harsh upon that occasion also. The difference was that a lot of the clinches were initiated by Castillo so they were allowed.
By no means do I feel Cortez infleunced the outcome, my man was outclassed. But he did spoil the fight as a spectacle as I felt he was extremely unfair from round 1.
Hatton would have had increcible trouble if Cortez had allowed them to fight inside more. Hatton cannot grapple Floyd as he stands sideways to you and puts his shoulder to your chest. He will also put his elbow in your neck, block everything you throw and cut you badly with right uppercuts.