Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Tito has NEVER come close to fighting such an elusive target as Floyd, Whitaker was well past his best defensive prowess when they fought and no one transitions their offense from their defense as well as Mayweather does.. I see Tito getting frustrated potshotted to death and following Floyd around the ring like a Zombie similiar to Coralles(RIP) not being able to pull the trigger and maybe even getting caught by 1 or 2 flash knockdowns to further widen the defecit on points
It's funny how you say this and forget that Mayweather also has never faced a fighter like Trinidad. The Corrales fight was at 130, this is at 147 and with all respect to the man Corrales ain't in Tito's league.
Guys this is not a p4p comparison. Its a 147 match up. It's Mayweather a couple of divisions over his best against Trinidad at his best division. It might be an unfair comparison but the point brazillianbomber is trying to make is that Mayweather has not yet prooven he can hang with the great Welterweights and much less have an easy night with probably the best puncher in the division sinse Hearns. And when I say puncher I don't only mean he hits hard, which he does, I mean he had the complete arsenal, he had fast hands and was very accurate. Not to mention he was a dedicated body puncher as a welterweight.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Tito has NEVER come close to fighting such an elusive target as Floyd, Whitaker was well past his best defensive prowess when they fought and no one transitions their offense from their defense as well as Mayweather does.. I see Tito getting frustrated potshotted to death and following Floyd around the ring like a Zombie similiar to Coralles(RIP) not being able to pull the trigger and maybe even getting caught by 1 or 2 flash knockdowns to further widen the defecit on points
It's funny how you say this and forget that Mayweather also has never faced a fighter like Trinidad. The Corrales fight was at 130, this is at 147 and with all respect to the man Corrales ain't in Tito's league.
Guys this is not a p4p comparison. Its a 147 match up. It's Mayweather a couple of divisions over his best against Trinidad at his best division. It might be an unfair comparison but the point brazillianbomber is trying to make is that Mayweather has not yet prooven he can hang with the great Welterweights and much less have an easy night with probably the best puncher in the division sinse Hearns. And when I say puncher I don't only mean he hits hard, which he does, I mean he had the complete arsenal, he had fast hands and was very accurate. Not to mention he was a dedicated body puncher as a welterweight.
Dosent change the fact that PBF would still be the most elusive fighter Trinidad has ever fought, and Style wise Floyd is a complete nightmare for Felix. Sure Tito has fast hands but they still pale in comparison to Mayweathers handspeed and elusiveness.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Tito has NEVER come close to fighting such an elusive target as Floyd, Whitaker was well past his best defensive prowess when they fought and no one transitions their offense from their defense as well as Mayweather does.. I see Tito getting frustrated potshotted to death and following Floyd around the ring like a Zombie similiar to Coralles(RIP) not being able to pull the trigger and maybe even getting caught by 1 or 2 flash knockdowns to further widen the defecit on points
It's funny how you say this and forget that Mayweather also has never faced a fighter like Trinidad. The Corrales fight was at 130, this is at 147 and with all respect to the man Corrales ain't in Tito's league.
Guys this is not a p4p comparison. Its a 147 match up. It's Mayweather a couple of divisions over his best against Trinidad at his best division. It might be an unfair comparison but the point brazillianbomber is trying to make is that Mayweather has not yet prooven he can hang with the great Welterweights and much less have an easy night with probably the best puncher in the division sinse Hearns. And when I say puncher I don't only mean he hits hard, which he does, I mean he had the complete arsenal, he had fast hands and was very accurate. Not to mention he was a dedicated body puncher as a welterweight.
Dosent change the fact that PBF would still be the most elusive fighter Trinidad has ever fought, and Style wise Floyd is a complete nightmare for Felix. Sure Tito has fast hands but they still pale in comparison to Mayweathers handspeed and elusiveness.
Well JT, that's what would make this a awsome match up. It would be like Cazares vs Calderon but better. And that was a damn close fight. Trust me, Tito would catch him from time to time. The only real question would be if he would do it enough before he ran out of time and how Floyd would handle it when he did. I would love to see Floyd up against an elite WW and see what he can do.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Tito has NEVER come close to fighting such an elusive target as Floyd, Whitaker was well past his best defensive prowess when they fought and no one transitions their offense from their defense as well as Mayweather does.. I see Tito getting frustrated potshotted to death and following Floyd around the ring like a Zombie similiar to Coralles(RIP) not being able to pull the trigger and maybe even getting caught by 1 or 2 flash knockdowns to further widen the defecit on points
It's funny how you say this and forget that Mayweather also has never faced a fighter like Trinidad. The Corrales fight was at 130, this is at 147 and with all respect to the man Corrales ain't in Tito's league.
Guys this is not a p4p comparison. Its a 147 match up. It's Mayweather a couple of divisions over his best against Trinidad at his best division. It might be an unfair comparison but the point brazillianbomber is trying to make is that Mayweather has not yet prooven he can hang with the great Welterweights and much less have an easy night with probably the best puncher in the division sinse Hearns. And when I say puncher I don't only mean he hits hard, which he does, I mean he had the complete arsenal, he had fast hands and was very accurate. Not to mention he was a dedicated body puncher as a welterweight.
It's funny how you say this and forget that Mayweather also has never faced a fighter like Trinidad.
Maybe not but Mayweather has dealt with all kinds of pressure fighter's and beaten all of them pretty comfortably, except for 1st Castillo fight when he had injured shoulder.
Look at the trouble David Reid was giving Tito for 6 rounds with his speed, the only difference is that Reid had poor defense, and is nowhere even close to Mayweather in speed, defense, ETC.
It would be a tough fight but Mayweather would win it, Tito is too 1 dimensional to beat someone like Mayweather.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Tito has NEVER come close to fighting such an elusive target as Floyd, Whitaker was well past his best defensive prowess when they fought and no one transitions their offense from their defense as well as Mayweather does.. I see Tito getting frustrated potshotted to death and following Floyd around the ring like a Zombie similiar to Coralles(RIP) not being able to pull the trigger and maybe even getting caught by 1 or 2 flash knockdowns to further widen the defecit on points
It's funny how you say this and forget that Mayweather also has never faced a fighter like Trinidad. The Corrales fight was at 130, this is at 147 and with all respect to the man Corrales ain't in Tito's league.
Guys this is not a p4p comparison. Its a 147 match up. It's Mayweather a couple of divisions over his best against Trinidad at his best division. It might be an unfair comparison but the point brazillianbomber is trying to make is that Mayweather has not yet prooven he can hang with the great Welterweights and much less have an easy night with probably the best puncher in the division sinse Hearns. And when I say puncher I don't only mean he hits hard, which he does, I mean he had the complete arsenal, he had fast hands and was very accurate. Not to mention he was a dedicated body puncher as a welterweight.
It's funny how you say this and forget that Mayweather also has never faced a fighter like Trinidad.
Maybe not but Mayweather has dealt with all kinds of pressure fighter's and beaten all of them pretty comfortably, except for 1st Castillo fight when he had injured shoulder.
Look at the trouble David Reid was giving Tito for 6 rounds with his speed, the only difference is that Reid had poor defense, and is nowhere even close to Mayweather in speed, defense, ETC.
It would be a tough fight but Mayweather would win it, Tito is too 1 dimensional to beat someone like Mayweather.
I'm sorry ICE but I alwais hated that 1 dimensional argument. Like if that simply explained everything and ment without a doubt that any real good fighter could beat him.
If Mayweather could handle Tito's preasure and two fisted power for 12 rounds than maybe he would win. But what makes you so sure he could.
JT said that Mayweather's style would be a nightmare for Tito. Well I say Tito's style would be a nightmare for Mayweather.
A bigger guy with a good jab and enough power in both hands to change the fight in one punch. An efficient fighter who made his career as a stalker and finisher. Tito had one close fight in his entire WW career and that was because of one thing, and it was not movement, it was DLH's jab. A punch that Mayweather seldom uses. Though it is a good jab when he does.
Anyways I wish I could continue this great debate with you fine people but I gotta go. Be spending the weekend at my folks house and probably won't get the chance to post for 3 or 4 days. I'll be happy to continue then.
Happy New Year everybody.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Tito has NEVER come close to fighting such an elusive target as Floyd, Whitaker was well past his best defensive prowess when they fought and no one transitions their offense from their defense as well as Mayweather does.. I see Tito getting frustrated potshotted to death and following Floyd around the ring like a Zombie similiar to Coralles(RIP) not being able to pull the trigger and maybe even getting caught by 1 or 2 flash knockdowns to further widen the defecit on points
It's funny how you say this and forget that Mayweather also has never faced a fighter like Trinidad. The Corrales fight was at 130, this is at 147 and with all respect to the man Corrales ain't in Tito's league.
Guys this is not a p4p comparison. Its a 147 match up. It's Mayweather a couple of divisions over his best against Trinidad at his best division. It might be an unfair comparison but the point brazillianbomber is trying to make is that Mayweather has not yet prooven he can hang with the great Welterweights and much less have an easy night with probably the best puncher in the division sinse Hearns. And when I say puncher I don't only mean he hits hard, which he does, I mean he had the complete arsenal, he had fast hands and was very accurate. Not to mention he was a dedicated body puncher as a welterweight.
It's funny how you say this and forget that Mayweather also has never faced a fighter like Trinidad.
Maybe not but Mayweather has dealt with all kinds of pressure fighter's and beaten all of them pretty comfortably, except for 1st Castillo fight when he had injured shoulder.
Look at the trouble David Reid was giving Tito for 6 rounds with his speed, the only difference is that Reid had poor defense, and is nowhere even close to Mayweather in speed, defense, ETC.
It would be a tough fight but Mayweather would win it, Tito is too 1 dimensional to beat someone like Mayweather.
I'm sorry ICE but I alwais hated that 1 dimensional argument. Like if that simply explained everything and ment without a doubt that any real good fighter could beat him.
If Mayweather could handle Tito's preasure and two fisted power for 12 rounds than maybe he would win. But what makes you so sure he could.
JT said that Mayweather's style would be a nightmare for Tito. Well I say Tito's style would be a nightmare for Mayweather.
A bigger guy with a good jab and enough power in both hands to change the fight in one punch. An efficient fighter who made his career as a stalker and finisher. Tito had one close fight in his entire WW career and that was because of one thing, and it was not movement, it was DLH's jab. A punch that Mayweather seldom uses. Though it is a good jab when he does.
Anyways I wish I could continue this great debate with you fine people but I gotta go. Be spending the weekend at my folks house and probably won't get the chance to post for 3 or 4 days. I'll be happy to continue then.
Happy New Year everybody.
I'm sorry ICE but I alwais hated that 1 dimensional argument. Like if that simply explained everything and ment without a doubt that any real good fighter could beat him.
What i mean is that Tito never has a plan B, and against someone like Mayweather who has worked out all kinds of different style's that doesn't sound too good for Tito IMO.
If Mayweather could handle Tito's preasure and two fisted power for 12 rounds than maybe he would win. But what makes you so sure he could.
I've seen Mayweather deal with all kinds of pressure fighters, and he has beaten them all comfortably, swarmer's, patient pressure, ETC.
Tito had one close fight in his entire WW career and that was because of one thing, and it was not movement, it was DLH's jab. A punch that Mayweather seldom uses. Though it is a good jab when he does.
I disagree with that it wasn't only Oscar's jab, it was Oscar's movement as well because it didn't allow Tito to get set.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
I disagree with that it wasn't only Oscar's jab, it was Oscar's movement as well because it didn't allow Tito to get set.
Thats pretty much my the point of my argument, movement and Tito not being able so get set, meanwhile getting potshotted to death
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
Quote:
Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
I constantly see Floyd fans posting theoritical matchups of past WW greats and alway's saying that he would easily beat Trinidad P4P at WW. This is bull, Tito would have decapitated PBF, he was simply to big and to strong and to aggressive at WW to be beat by Mayweather, Trinidad was the best WW of our generation, not to mention the hardest puncher, people please stop
He may or may not beat Tito, but whats wrong in people thinking Mayweather could beat Tito ?? remember Tito is 1 dimensional and Mayweather works out his opponent's after a few rounds so that would be a problem straight way for Tito.
A plus side for Tito is that he picks his punches very well, and he uses controlled aggression that would give Mayweather problems. Similar to how Castillo's patient aggression worked. But Mayweather is a much better all round fighter than Tito, and to say he would decapitate someone as skilled
as Mayweather is even more ludicrous, than the comments you complain about.
What are you talking about, I never said anything was wrong with people thinking that Floyd would win, like Rookie said the whole point of the thread went over your head, you should read it again. I clearly used the keyword EASILY because of ATG comparisons. People will break down PBF Vs Hearns, Whitaker, Leonard, Duran, Prime De La Hoya, and will offer details on how the fight will break down. When they get to Trinidad all they write is easy UD for Mayweather and I think it's bull. The only knock anyone has on Trinidad is his performance at 160 and that was a weight clearly to big for him, as far as your LUDICROUS comment Tito was a devestating puncher at 147 and 154 and against a small WW like PBF it would show even more
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
Quote:
Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
I constantly see Floyd fans posting theoritical matchups of past WW greats and alway's saying that he would easily beat Trinidad P4P at WW. This is bull, Tito would have decapitated PBF, he was simply to big and to strong and to aggressive at WW to be beat by Mayweather, Trinidad was the best WW of our generation, not to mention the hardest puncher, people please stop
.....floyd would beat tito.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
Quote:
Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
Quote:
Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
I constantly see Floyd fans posting theoritical matchups of past WW greats and alway's saying that he would easily beat Trinidad P4P at WW. This is bull, Tito would have decapitated PBF, he was simply to big and to strong and to aggressive at WW to be beat by Mayweather, Trinidad was the best WW of our generation, not to mention the hardest puncher, people please stop
He may or may not beat Tito, but whats wrong in people thinking Mayweather could beat Tito ?? remember Tito is 1 dimensional and Mayweather works out his opponent's after a few rounds so that would be a problem straight way for Tito.
A plus side for Tito is that he picks his punches very well, and he uses controlled aggression that would give Mayweather problems. Similar to how Castillo's patient aggression worked. But Mayweather is a much better all round fighter than Tito, and to say he would decapitate someone as skilled
as Mayweather is even more ludicrous, than the comments you complain about.
What are you talking about, I never said anything was wrong with people thinking that Floyd would win, like Rookie said the whole point of the thread went over your head, you should read it again. I clearly used the keyword EASILY because of ATG comparisons. People will break down PBF Vs Hearns, Whitaker, Leonard, Duran, Prime De La Hoya, and will offer details on how the fight will break down. When they get to Trinidad all they write is easy UD for Mayweather and I think it's bull. The only knock anyone has on Trinidad is his performance at 160 and that was a weight clearly to big for him, as far as your LUDICROUS comment Tito was a devestating puncher at 147 and 154 and against a small WW like PBF it would show even more
as far as your LUDICROUS comment Tito was a devestating puncher at 147 and 154 and against a small WW like PBF it would show even more
What ludicrous comment did i make ?? i pointed out all the facts, you said that Tito would of decapitated Mayweather. So i pointed out and said that you are the one complaining about people thinking that Mayweather would beat Tito by UD. Then you contradict yourself and say Tito would have decapitated Mayweather, which is a ludicrous statement.
Tito was a devastating puncher yes but Mayweather has fought plenty of hard punchers before, the problem is that its hard to land a clean punch on Mayweather's chin. Take a look back at all of Mayweather's fights and actually see how many clean punches Mayweather has took. Fast fighters like Judah, Oscar, hardly landed any clean punches on Mayweather's chin and they are both much faster than Tito. For me personally Tito is too 1 dimensional take a look at the Wright fight for example, Tito was getting caught with the same basic combinations all night, and couldn't stop it and basically just kept following Wright all night long with no plan B. Mayweather would work out Tito's style in a matter of a few rounds, and would out box him.
Tito was a great fighter but he had flaws that someone like Mayweather could take advantage of, Tito would get pot shotted all night.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
I alwais wanted to start a thread on this but felt that it would be a waist of time given how hot PBF is now and how much of a frenzy his fans are in.
Thanks brazillianbomber for doing it for me ;D CC 294 for standing by your man like I should've done.
Tito is often criticized for his performance as a Middleweight and his fight with DLH. Lets talk about that for a bit. Joppy was a champion for just about the same amount of time that Hopkins was at the time. He was just as established as Hopkins as a 160lber. He had only one loss which he avenged. He was known to be the seccond best 160lb champion. And Tito destroyed him.
Hopkins is considered by many as a top 5 middleweight ALL TIME. And he was a big 160lber. Not only that. He fought a near perfect fight against Tito. Whatch that fight. It was perfect consentration and a performance from Hopkins we have not seen often. Being seccond to Hopkins is not too bad.
As for Wright, I never really considered him a truelly great fighter. He was a defensive master but he has been beat by lesser fighters and he fought a semi active, somewhat unmotivated and unprepared Tito in what I would call a stylistic mismatch. That fight is really hard to watch for me as I could tell Tito pretty much gave up around the 5th round.
Now we go to DLH. I would go as far to say that if DLH fought like he did in the first 9 rounds against anybody, and I mean ANYBODY, he would probably be winning. Again, it is a case of someone fighting a perfect fight. And Tito still kept it close enough to pull off the W.
I got a question for you chamiley. If Tito was not the best WW of his era, than who was?
At this point, PBF has not established without a doubt that he is the best WW of his own era. I have seen nothing that Floyd has done to tell me he could beat Tito. Yes Floyd has some great skills and is an all around better boxer. But put them in the ring together and I see Tito overpowering the smaller Mayweather.
Sorry for long post. The bad thing about arguing in a forum is no one can tell you to shut up when you are babling :)
You think maybe it's more than coincidental that in your mind, everyone to beat Tito fought a "perfect fight" ??? Perhaps it had something to do with how Tito allowed them to perform as well ::**
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
Quote:
Originally Posted by chamiley
Quote:
Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
I constantly see Floyd fans posting theoritical matchups of past WW greats and alway's saying that he would easily beat Trinidad P4P at WW. This is bull, Tito would have decapitated PBF, he was simply to big and to strong and to aggressive at WW to be beat by Mayweather, Trinidad was the best WW of our generation, not to mention the hardest puncher, people please stop
Oscar made him look foolish for 9 rounds and if Oscar's speed was too much for Trinidad, floyd would make him look like an amateur. Trinidad never fought an elite welterweight (Whitaker was beyond washed up) so you can't call him the best welterweight of our time. there is no bona fide best welterweight for our time Oscar fought trinidad, quartey & mosley, oscar
beat trinidad but lost to mosley, mosley lost to forrest, forrest lost to mayorga, mayorga lost to spinks.
Mayorga did NOT lose to Spinks. He got fukin Robbed. Therefore Mayorga is the best Welterweight of our time. Oscar and Tito beat him above the welterweight limit so it doesn't count. ;)
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
Mayweather would be a huge favourite v Tito. He has the best defence of this generation of fighters and lateral movement gives ANYONE problems and Tito is no exception. However,the one thing Tito has which no other Floyd opponents have had at 147 is total KO power. I mean he could wreck an opponent. He wobbled Vargas with a JAB!!! The amount of power in his punches makes it difficult to TOTALLY rule him out but Mayweather would be a big fave imo,purely based on styles.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
I would say Oscar at light middleweight had close to the power Trinidad had at 147... look at Trinidad's fight with Mayorga where he had to go to the body to take Mayorga out while Oscar leveled Mayorga to the head, and beat him quicker. I know that doesn't mean everything, butfrom what I saw of Trinidad against Wright it wasn't his power he lost, its that he has always had a little bit of poor timing compared to the great boxers. Against people who stand there he can land shots but he can't land against a moving target which is the biggest difference between him and his precessor Miguel Cotto who doesn't hit as hard, but he is faster and he is a better boxer.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
I alwais wanted to start a thread on this but felt that it would be a waist of time given how hot PBF is now and how much of a frenzy his fans are in.
Easily...Tito'd look like a turtle trying to catch...well...a really small, lightning fast, & mouthy colored fellar. ;D
Personally...being a fan of Floyd's...I can honestly say that he'd burn Tito down with volume, accurate accumulation, superior defense, youth, & the fact that he's got about 10 times the foot speed as Trinidad.
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
Sorry for long post. The bad thing about arguing in a forum is no one can tell you to shut up when you are babling :)
That's babbling with two b's...not one.
Now...shut up! Your'e babbling! :P :-*
