Re: Saddoboxing's Greatest Welterweight Of All Time Competition
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by albsur2006
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Here they are:
Emile
Napoles
SRL
SRR
Armstrong
Pernell
Tito
Luis Rodriguez
Kid Gavilan
Curry
Lloyd
Simon Brown
Cotto
ODLH
Pipino
Palomino
I wanted to list guys who had done enough in the division. I didn't want to list fighters who have and or only fought 2 or 3 times as Welters.
How in the hell is Cotto on the list when he's been at welter for only 1 year?!?!
Because I think this will be the division at which he is rated. '
For example: Duran fought as a Super Featherweight, Lightweight, Welterweight, Light Middleweight, Middleweight and very late in his career as a Super Middleweight. But Durans best work was as a Lightweight so that's where I rate him.
Cotto was a Light Welterweight and is now a Welterweight and I feel this is where he will be rated at. I feel he will do his best work that is why I listed him. Plus I couldnt list fighters like Walker, Lewis, Britton or Young Corbett cause I haven't seen enough of them to rate them.
I listed fighters whom I know and have seen fight.
But the thread title says "all time". While Cotto may be in the future, he ain't right now
Re: Saddoboxing's Greatest Welterweight Of All Time Competition
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by albsur2006
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Here they are:
Emile
Napoles
SRL
SRR
Armstrong
Pernell
Tito
Luis Rodriguez
Kid Gavilan
Curry
Lloyd
Simon Brown
Cotto
ODLH
Pipino
Palomino
I wanted to list guys who had done enough in the division. I didn't want to list fighters who have and or only fought 2 or 3 times as Welters.
How in the hell is Cotto on the list when he's been at welter for only 1 year?!?!
Because I think this will be the division at which he is rated. '
For example: Duran fought as a Super Featherweight, Lightweight, Welterweight, Light Middleweight, Middleweight and very late in his career as a Super Middleweight. But Durans best work was as a Lightweight so that's where I rate him.
Cotto was a Light Welterweight and is now a Welterweight and I feel this is where he will be rated at. I feel he will do his best work that is why I listed him. Plus I couldnt list fighters like Walker, Lewis, Britton or Young Corbett cause I haven't seen enough of them to rate them.
I listed fighters whom I know and have seen fight.
But the thread title says "all time". While Cotto may be in the future, he ain't right now
Right on VD,
I guess I was listing him cause I think he will be an all-time great as a Welter. But he is not an all-time great yet.
I'll remove Cotto and add Hearns.
That should do it..... :)
Re: Saddoboxing's Greatest Welterweight Of All Time Competition
Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by albsur2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Here they are:
Emile
Napoles
SRL
SRR
Armstrong
Pernell
Tito
Luis Rodriguez
Kid Gavilan
Curry
Lloyd
Simon Brown
Cotto
ODLH
Pipino
Palomino
I wanted to list guys who had done enough in the division. I didn't want to list fighters who have and or only fought 2 or 3 times as Welters.
How in the hell is Cotto on the list when he's been at welter for only 1 year?!?!
Because I think this will be the division at which he is rated. '
For example: Duran fought as a Super Featherweight, Lightweight, Welterweight, Light Middleweight, Middleweight and very late in his career as a Super Middleweight. But Durans best work was as a Lightweight so that's where I rate him.
Cotto was a Light Welterweight and is now a Welterweight and I feel this is where he will be rated at. I feel he will do his best work that is why I listed him. Plus I couldnt list fighters like Walker, Lewis, Britton or Young Corbett cause I haven't seen enough of them to rate them.
I listed fighters whom I know and have seen fight.
But the thread title says "all time". While Cotto may be in the future, he ain't right now
Right on VD,
I guess I was listing him cause I think he will be an all-time great as a Welter. But he is not an all-time great yet.
I'll remove Cotto and add Hearns.
That should do it..... :)
I'm shocked you didn't have Hearns in the first place
Re: Saddoboxing's Greatest Welterweight Of All Time Competition
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by albsur2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Here they are:
Emile
Napoles
SRL
SRR
Armstrong
Pernell
Tito
Luis Rodriguez
Kid Gavilan
Curry
Lloyd
Simon Brown
Cotto
ODLH
Pipino
Palomino
I wanted to list guys who had done enough in the division. I didn't want to list fighters who have and or only fought 2 or 3 times as Welters.
How in the hell is Cotto on the list when he's been at welter for only 1 year?!?!
Because I think this will be the division at which he is rated. '
For example: Duran fought as a Super Featherweight, Lightweight, Welterweight, Light Middleweight, Middleweight and very late in his career as a Super Middleweight. But Durans best work was as a Lightweight so that's where I rate him.
Cotto was a Light Welterweight and is now a Welterweight and I feel this is where he will be rated at. I feel he will do his best work that is why I listed him. Plus I couldnt list fighters like Walker, Lewis, Britton or Young Corbett cause I haven't seen enough of them to rate them.
I listed fighters whom I know and have seen fight.
But the thread title says "all time". While Cotto may be in the future, he ain't right now
Right on VD,
I guess I was listing him cause I think he will be an all-time great as a Welter. But he is not an all-time great yet.
I'll remove Cotto and add Hearns.
That should do it..... :)
I'm shocked you didn't have Hearns in the first place
Maybe Mick thinks Hearns best wins were at Light Middleweight etc, but still Hearns destroyed Pipino Cuevas who was making his 12th title defense of his Welterweight title. And that alone should give Hearns a place on the list.
Re: Saddoboxing's Greatest Welterweight Of All Time Competition
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by albsur2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Here they are:
Emile
Napoles
SRL
SRR
Armstrong
Pernell
Tito
Luis Rodriguez
Kid Gavilan
Curry
Lloyd
Simon Brown
Cotto
ODLH
Pipino
Palomino
I wanted to list guys who had done enough in the division. I didn't want to list fighters who have and or only fought 2 or 3 times as Welters.
How in the hell is Cotto on the list when he's been at welter for only 1 year?!?!
Because I think this will be the division at which he is rated. '
For example: Duran fought as a Super Featherweight, Lightweight, Welterweight, Light Middleweight, Middleweight and very late in his career as a Super Middleweight. But Durans best work was as a Lightweight so that's where I rate him.
Cotto was a Light Welterweight and is now a Welterweight and I feel this is where he will be rated at. I feel he will do his best work that is why I listed him. Plus I couldnt list fighters like Walker, Lewis, Britton or Young Corbett cause I haven't seen enough of them to rate them.
I listed fighters whom I know and have seen fight.
But the thread title says "all time". While Cotto may be in the future, he ain't right now
Right on VD,
I guess I was listing him cause I think he will be an all-time great as a Welter. But he is not an all-time great yet.
I'll remove Cotto and add Hearns.
That should do it..... :)
I'm shocked you didn't have Hearns in the first place
I was certain 100% of the people that would post would list Hearns so I was just trying to add something different to the list.
Re: Saddoboxing's Greatest Welterweight Of All Time Competition
Charley Burley. I believe even Robinson didn't want to fight him.
Re: Saddoboxing's Greatest Welterweight Of All Time Competition
He was a welter, The story goes that in reality he was never over 11st
Re: Saddoboxing's Greatest Welterweight Of All Time Competition
The shortlist of 16:
1) Sugar Ray Robinson
Born Walker Smith Jr. in 1921. Went on to compile a record of 173-19-6. Probably the finest boxer of all time. Reigned as Welterweight Champion from 1946-1950. Fought 5 fellow World Champions.
2) Sugar Ray Leonard
Went 36-3-1 against some of the finest competition of all time. A masterful athlete and boxer.
3) Henry Armstrong
Welterweight Champion between 1938 and 1940. With all due respect an absolute freak of nature. With a heartbeat at rest well below 50 bpm he was perhaps one of the most naturally enduring and fit fighters ever. A questionable record estimated to be 149-21-10 although it varies between sources.
4) Donald Curry
Before Honeyghan shattered his aura of indestructability, Curry was seen as just that, absolutley indestructible. With a fine record of 34-6 with wins over fighters such as Starling and McCrory I'd be interested in facing him with the ATG's while he was at his peak.
5) Wilfred Benitez
A fighter who just seemed to do the wrong thing. His favourite position was to have his back on the ropes as the opponent fired at him. However, he was so good he used this style to compile a record of 53-8-1. He's on my list.
6) Emille Griffith
85-24-2.What a fighter.
Pro debut in 1958, Last fight in 1977 against a middleweight champ in Alan Minter...Wow is all that needs to be said. Warrior.
7) Kid Gavilan
108-30-5. Champion between 1951 and 1954. See the Latin Legends feature Mick uploaded, he features heavily. A great fighter that provided some of the most scintilating action ever in the ring.
8) Mickey Walker
The Toy Bulldog was a rough tough guy, that deserves to compete with the greats. 109-22-5 a great fighter that competed between 140 and 174
9) Johnny Saxton
Champ from 54-55 and again in 56, Gave a good account of himself leaving a record of 55-9-2. Fought 4 fellow Champions. A popular fighter who is another that deserves to be remembered and the right to compete.
10)Felix Trinidad
Vaguely familiar name from Puerto Rico.
11)Oscar De la Hoya
Don't let his activites as of late tarnish his memories, he was a great Welter that would have been competitive in any era. Although soft spoken, he was tough at 147 and even above and he was a great fighter.
12)Roberto Duran
Hands of Stone could have had a good fight locked in a cell on his own with a gallon of whiskey. One of the most ferocious fighters of all time, but also underrated in terms of speed, accuracy and defense.
13)Tony DeMarco
Champion way back in 1955. It's not that I'm running short on names, it's just he's one guy that could fight anywhere and i dream of a brawl with Duran!!!
14)Ted Lewis
The Kid was champion in 1915-16 and reigned again from 1917-19.
15)Miguel Cotto
I believe he's a rather good young fellow from some tiny Island somewhere.
16)Floyd Mayweather Jr.
The creme de la creme. God I hate him, but he's just that good.
Note: I have excluded two names I feel should be on the list simply because I know little about them. Palomino was a great but I never saw him fight. The original Joe Walcott was a great fighter but there is little footage available so he's far too obscure. :(
Sorry for rambling on but that was great fun!!!
Re: Saddoboxing's Greatest Welterweight Of All Time Competition
when is the first fight posted??? This sounds fun, cant wait for it to begin!! and also how do you decide who fights who....isit just randomly selected or some kind of method to it?
Re: Saddoboxing's Greatest Welterweight Of All Time Competition
Duran as a professional actually started fighting as a Bantamweight believe it or not. It is hard to imagine!hehe
Re: Saddoboxing's Greatest Welterweight Of All Time Competition
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Originally Posted by Deanrw
Duran as a professional actually started fighting as a Bantamweight believe it or not. It is hard to imagine!hehe
He actually beat a solid name as a Super Bantamweight as well Carlos Mendoza.
Re: Saddoboxing's Greatest Welterweight Of All Time Competition
Put Leonards chin and stamina on Tommy Hearns and thats as good as it gets :)
Re: Saddoboxing's Greatest Welterweight Of All Time Competition
top #3
...SRL
...HEARNS
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