Hamed v Marquez

Whatever peanuts he was making back then Naz's peanuts offered would have been huge in comparision.

There can be only one reason Marquez turned down a fight with Naz - He didn't fancy the fight.

Is it not right?

Marquez had a pulse. This right there automatically disqualified him from fighting Hamed. When MAB actually walked into the ring, Hamed was in shock, he was heard saying, "What is going on here?, usually my opponent is wheeled into the ring on a gurney, this guy might be able to even fight back, I don't like this." Hamed didn't fight very good fighters. There were several guys who could've schooled him as MAB did back then, Marquez was one of them.

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Marquez had a pulse. This right there automatically disqualified him from fighting Hamed. When MAB actually walked into the ring, Hamed was in shock, he was heard saying, "What is going on here?, usually my opponent is wheeled into the ring on a gurney, this guy might be able to even fight back, I don't like this." Hamed didn't fight very good fighters. There were several guys who could've schooled him as MAB did back then, Marquez was one of them.

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So explain why Marquez POINT-BLANK REFUSED to fight Naz when offered the chance?

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You're welcome.

After Marquez so miserably failed against Norwood he must of believed he'd never beat a fighter of Naz's high calibre.

What other reason could there possibly be for Marquez turning down Naz's generous offer?

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I see what your getting at Fenster and i do agree. Marquez was coming off a very ugly fight with Norwood. And Naseem was the top man at Featherweight so why would Marquez turn the offer down ?? i know Naseem did turn down Marquez's offer before that and yes Naz, did only offer Marquez the fight when he see Marquez didn't impress against Norwood. But if i was Marquez i would of taken that offer with both hands and i wouldn't of let go that was a big chance at super stardom for Marquez. And i can't see why he would turn it down.

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Was there any excuse made public, I cant remember? Fighters dont usually just say no and chicken out with out a call, after all they are fighters.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

You're welcome.

After Marquez so miserably failed against Norwood he must of believed he'd never beat a fighter of Naz's high calibre.

What other reason could there possibly be for Marquez turning down Naz's generous offer?

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I see what your getting at Fenster and i do agree. Marquez was coming off a very ugly fight with Norwood. And Naseem was the top man at Featherweight so why would Marquez turn the offer down ?? i know Naseem did turn down Marquez's offer before that and yes Naz, did only offer Marquez the fight when he see Marquez didn't impress against Norwood. But if i was Marquez i would of taken that offer with both hands and i wouldn't of let go that was a big chance at super stardom for Marquez. And i can't see why he would turn it down.

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Was there any excuse made public, I cant remember? Fighters dont usually just say no and chicken out with out a call, after all they are fighters.

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I can't remember exactly because i was young at the time. But i for certain remember Naz offering Marquez a fight and Marquez turning it down. I don't know what his excuse was for turning down the fight. But i find it a little strange that he offered Naz a fight and Naz turned it down. Then after Marquez looks unimpressive in an ugly fight with Norwood. Naz then offers him a fight but then Marquez turns it down and fights against mostly unknown opponents for the next 2 years. I can't understand why he wouldn't take it that was his chance at super stardom, and i didn't hear Marquez saying he had any injuries so that puzzles me.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

You're welcome.

After Marquez so miserably failed against Norwood he must of believed he'd never beat a fighter of Naz's high calibre.

What other reason could there possibly be for Marquez turning down Naz's generous offer?

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I see what your getting at Fenster and i do agree. Marquez was coming off a very ugly fight with Norwood. And Naseem was the top man at Featherweight so why would Marquez turn the offer down ?? i know Naseem did turn down Marquez's offer before that and yes Naz, did only offer Marquez the fight when he see Marquez didn't impress against Norwood. But if i was Marquez i would of taken that offer with both hands and i wouldn't of let go that was a big chance at super stardom for Marquez. And i can't see why he would turn it down.

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Was there any excuse made public, I cant remember? Fighters dont usually just say no and chicken out with out a call, after all they are fighters.

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Andre,
JMM in a press conference held in Mexico weeks after his loss to Norwood said he needed to go back to the drawing board and get his mind back together he felt let down by himself he said the Norwood fight was there for the taking and he let it go. When Naz made the offer JMM went on publicly and said he didn't need Naz or his title that he wasn't gonna be around until Naz felt like fighting him and he (JMM) would fend for himself and create his own legacy without fighting him. He also said I was his #1 challenger for years and he turned me down. I don't need him now I'll move on with my career.
This is from a article printed on 'El Sol De Mexico' newspaper from Mexico City.

Cool i remember now ,I had forgot that :0 thanks.
What were we talking about again?

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Cool i remember now ,I had forgot that :0 thanks.
What were we talking about again?

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We were talking about the time Fantana challenged Mad_Dog for the title.

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Marquez had a pulse. This right there automatically disqualified him from fighting Hamed. When MAB actually walked into the ring, Hamed was in shock, he was heard saying, "What is going on here?, usually my opponent is wheeled into the ring on a gurney, this guy might be able to even fight back, I don't like this." Hamed didn't fight very good fighters. There were several guys who could've schooled him as MAB did back then, Marquez was one of them.

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So explain why Marquez POINT-BLANK REFUSED to fight Naz when offered the chance?

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Maybe the contract was bullshit, maybe he was paying him back for POINT BLANK DUCKING him earlier. No way in hell was Marquez scared of that total fraud Naseem Hamed. Hamed was a joke and a clown. I doubt if most of the Mexican featherweights took him very seriously. Although he did manage to decision a respected journeyman Mexican name Ceasar Soto ( a strange fight if I remember, where Hamed resorted to a series of knees to beat his opponent, ref should have DQed him.), I thought I remember a quote from one of Barrera's camp that there are "20 Mexican featherweights tougher than Hamed" At the time I agreed with that quote and still do. Barerra exposed Hamed and that fight wasn't as close as the score cards suggested. Some schmuck gave me 5-2 in that fight and it was the easiest and surest $250 bucks I have ever made in my life. Vegas had the odds closer although I'm sure the Books in the UK had Hamed a huge favorite or something like that.

Never thought much of Kevin Kelley and Wayne McCullough was not much better, but this guy, Hamed, is another protected fighter who fought club fighters and talked mad smack and got beat down against a good fighter.

Man the key to being a rich and famous fighter is to fight bums. Just fight no names and talk a big game in knocking out nobodies and eventually you'll be 30-0. You can duck the whole of Mexico and make your fans believe you are actually one of the top guys in the World at your weight. Yeah, maybe someday you'll have to answer the bell against 1 real fighter, but then you can retire a rich man and still pretend you were a great fighter after getting your arse whooped. I guess Hamed has a lot of company in taking this rout to "greatness" though. Hamed's career choices contained more ducks than the whole Country of Canada. Should I really start listing the fighters that Princess Naseem Hamed Ducked? My keyboard might wear out.

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Marquez had a pulse. This right there automatically disqualified him from fighting Hamed. When MAB actually walked into the ring, Hamed was in shock, he was heard saying, "What is going on here?, usually my opponent is wheeled into the ring on a gurney, this guy might be able to even fight back, I don't like this." Hamed didn't fight very good fighters. There were several guys who could've schooled him as MAB did back then, Marquez was one of them.

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So explain why Marquez POINT-BLANK REFUSED to fight Naz when offered the chance?

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Maybe the contract was bullshit, maybe he was paying him back for POINT BLANK DUCKING him earlier. No way in hell was Marquez scared of that total fraud Naseem Hamed. Hamed was a joke and a clown. I doubt if most of the Mexican featherweights took him very seriously. Although he did manage to decision a respected journeyman Mexican name Ceasar Soto ( a strange fight if I remember, where Hamed resorted to a series of knees to beat his opponent, ref should have DQed him.), I thought I remember a quote from one of Barrera's camp that there are "20 Mexican featherweights tougher than Hamed" At the time I agreed with that quote and still do. Barerra exposed Hamed and that fight wasn't as close as the score cards suggested. Some schmuck gave me 5-2 in that fight and it was the easiest and surest $250 bucks I have ever made in my life. Vegas had the odds closer although I'm sure the Books in the UK had Hamed a huge favorite or something like that.

Never thought much of Kevin Kelley and Wayne McCullough was not much better, but this guy, Hamed, is another protected fighter who fought club fighters and talked mad smack and got beat down against a good fighter.

Man the key to being a rich and famous fighter is to fight bums. Just fight no names and talk a big game in knocking out nobodies and eventually you'll be 30-0. You can duck the whole of Mexico and make your fans believe you are actually one of the top guys in the World at your weight. Yeah, maybe someday you'll have to answer the bell against 1 real fighter, but then you can retire a rich man and still pretend you were a great fighter after getting your arse whooped. I guess Hamed has a lot of company in taking this rout to "greatness" though. Hamed's career choices contained more ducks than the whole Country of Canada. Should I really start listing the fighters that Princess Naseem Hamed Ducked? My keyboard might wear out.

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You can list all the guys Naz ducked after answering what possible reason could there be for Marquez to turndown a fight with him?

Naz didn't need Marquez.

So "paying him back" for not fighting him earlier is a stupid reason, in it like?

I can understand if Marquez was disappointed about his fight with Norwood. But it still doesn't make sense why he would not take a big chance like that against the top name in the division. And fight for another 2 years against mostly unknown opponent's. And also Marquez was offered a rematch with Pacquiao, but he fights Chris John in his backyard for 35k then gets robbed. I just think Marquez's team or Marquez himself made a few bad choices in his career.

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Marquez had a pulse. This right there automatically disqualified him from fighting Hamed. When MAB actually walked into the ring, Hamed was in shock, he was heard saying, "What is going on here?, usually my opponent is wheeled into the ring on a gurney, this guy might be able to even fight back, I don't like this." Hamed didn't fight very good fighters. There were several guys who could've schooled him as MAB did back then, Marquez was one of them.

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So explain why Marquez POINT-BLANK REFUSED to fight Naz when offered the chance?

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Maybe the contract was bullshit, maybe he was paying him back for POINT BLANK DUCKING him earlier. No way in hell was Marquez scared of that total fraud Naseem Hamed. Hamed was a joke and a clown. I doubt if most of the Mexican featherweights took him very seriously. Although he did manage to decision a respected journeyman Mexican name Ceasar Soto ( a strange fight if I remember, where Hamed resorted to a series of knees to beat his opponent, ref should have DQed him.), I thought I remember a quote from one of Barrera's camp that there are "20 Mexican featherweights tougher than Hamed" At the time I agreed with that quote and still do. Barerra exposed Hamed and that fight wasn't as close as the score cards suggested. Some schmuck gave me 5-2 in that fight and it was the easiest and surest $250 bucks I have ever made in my life. Vegas had the odds closer although I'm sure the Books in the UK had Hamed a huge favorite or something like that.

Never thought much of Kevin Kelley and Wayne McCullough was not much better, but this guy, Hamed, is another protected fighter who fought club fighters and talked mad smack and got beat down against a good fighter.

Man the key to being a rich and famous fighter is to fight bums. Just fight no names and talk a big game in knocking out nobodies and eventually you'll be 30-0. You can duck the whole of Mexico and make your fans believe you are actually one of the top guys in the World at your weight. Yeah, maybe someday you'll have to answer the bell against 1 real fighter, but then you can retire a rich man and still pretend you were a great fighter after getting your a*** whooped. I guess Hamed has a lot of company in taking this rout to "greatness" though. Hamed's career choices contained more ducks than the whole Country of Canada. Should I really start listing the fighters that Princess Naseem Hamed Ducked? My keyboard might wear out.

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I hate Naseem but to say he fought all bums is ridiculous he won the WBO, WBC, titles from good opponents. Naz also fought Barrera who was on a good winning steak and his only loss in years was to Erik Morales who was undefeated and one of the top P4P fighters, so he if he was *Ducking* all the top Mexican fighters why would he have fought Barrera ?? who was one of the best Mexican fighters at that time. The fact is Marquez had beaten only a few goodish names like Agapito Sanchez, Julian Wheeler, when he offered Naseem a fight so it was High Risk/Low Reward fight. And you talk about Soto vs Naz controversy why don't you see Marquez vs Wheeler. That was even more controversial because Marquez was losing the fight coming into the last round and got a gift when the ref DQ Wheeler, and strangely awarded Marquez TKO victory. Marquez is one of my favorite fighters and yes he was the Number 1 contender but you have to realize Marquez wasn't really a known name at that time and like i said earlier it was a High Risk/Low Reward fight for Naz.

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I can understand if Marquez was disappointed about his fight with Norwood. But it still doesn't make sense why he would not take a big chance like that against the top name in the division. And fight for another 2 years against mostly unknown opponent's. And also Marquez was offered a rematch with Pacquiao, but he fights Chris John in his backyard for 35k then gets robbed. I just think Marquez's team or Marquez himself made a few bad choices in his career.

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Marquez had a pulse. This right there automatically disqualified him from fighting Hamed. When MAB actually walked into the ring, Hamed was in shock, he was heard saying, "What is going on here?, usually my opponent is wheeled into the ring on a gurney, this guy might be able to even fight back, I don't like this." Hamed didn't fight very good fighters. There were several guys who could've schooled him as MAB did back then, Marquez was one of them.

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So explain why Marquez POINT-BLANK REFUSED to fight Naz when offered the chance?

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Maybe the contract was bullshit, maybe he was paying him back for POINT BLANK DUCKING him earlier. No way in hell was Marquez scared of that total fraud Naseem Hamed. Hamed was a joke and a clown. I doubt if most of the Mexican featherweights took him very seriously. Although he did manage to decision a respected journeyman Mexican name Ceasar Soto ( a strange fight if I remember, where Hamed resorted to a series of knees to beat his opponent, ref should have DQed him.), I thought I remember a quote from one of Barrera's camp that there are "20 Mexican featherweights tougher than Hamed" At the time I agreed with that quote and still do. Barerra exposed Hamed and that fight wasn't as close as the score cards suggested. Some schmuck gave me 5-2 in that fight and it was the easiest and surest $250 bucks I have ever made in my life. Vegas had the odds closer although I'm sure the Books in the UK had Hamed a huge favorite or something like that.

Never thought much of Kevin Kelley and Wayne McCullough was not much better, but this guy, Hamed, is another protected fighter who fought club fighters and talked mad smack and got beat down against a good fighter.

Man the key to being a rich and famous fighter is to fight bums. Just fight no names and talk a big game in knocking out nobodies and eventually you'll be 30-0. You can duck the whole of Mexico and make your fans believe you are actually one of the top guys in the World at your weight. Yeah, maybe someday you'll have to answer the bell against 1 real fighter, but then you can retire a rich man and still pretend you were a great fighter after getting your a*** whooped. I guess Hamed has a lot of company in taking this rout to "greatness" though. Hamed's career choices contained more ducks than the whole Country of Canada. Should I really start listing the fighters that Princess Naseem Hamed Ducked? My keyboard might wear out.

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I hate Naseem but to say he fought all bums is ridiculous he won the WBO, WBC, titles from good opponents. Naz also fought Barrera who was on a good winning steak and his only loss in years was to Erik Morales who was undefeated and one of the top P4P fighters, so he if he was *Ducking* all the top Mexican fighters why would he have fought Barrera ?? who was one of the best Mexican fighters at that time. The fact is Marquez had beaten only a few goodish names like Agapito Sanchez, Julian Wheeler, when he offered Naseem a fight so it was High Risk/Low Reward fight. And you talk about Soto vs Naz controversy why don't you see Marquez vs Wheeler. That was even more controversial because Marquez was losing the fight coming into the last round and got a gift when the ref DQ Wheeler, and strangely awarded Marquez TKO victory. Marquez is one of my favorite fighters and yes he was the Number 1 contender but you have to realize Marquez wasn't really a known name at that time and like i said earlier it was a High Risk/Low Reward fight for Naz.

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Vazquez was stripped of the WBA title just before he fought Naz.



*Just realised you edited out the IBF title from your post.

Vazquez,
Was he the one that originally beat the Hungarian koko and retired him back in those days?

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Marquez had a pulse. This right there automatically disqualified him from fighting Hamed. When MAB actually walked into the ring, Hamed was in shock, he was heard saying, "What is going on here?, usually my opponent is wheeled into the ring on a gurney, this guy might be able to even fight back, I don't like this." Hamed didn't fight very good fighters. There were several guys who could've schooled him as MAB did back then, Marquez was one of them.

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So explain why Marquez POINT-BLANK REFUSED to fight Naz when offered the chance?

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Maybe the contract was bullshit, maybe he was paying him back for POINT BLANK DUCKING him earlier. No way in hell was Marquez scared of that total fraud Naseem Hamed. Hamed was a joke and a clown. I doubt if most of the Mexican featherweights took him very seriously. Although he did manage to decision a respected journeyman Mexican name Ceasar Soto ( a strange fight if I remember, where Hamed resorted to a series of knees to beat his opponent, ref should have DQed him.), I thought I remember a quote from one of Barrera's camp that there are "20 Mexican featherweights tougher than Hamed" At the time I agreed with that quote and still do. Barerra exposed Hamed and that fight wasn't as close as the score cards suggested. Some schmuck gave me 5-2 in that fight and it was the easiest and surest $250 bucks I have ever made in my life. Vegas had the odds closer although I'm sure the Books in the UK had Hamed a huge favorite or something like that.

Never thought much of Kevin Kelley and Wayne McCullough was not much better, but this guy, Hamed, is another protected fighter who fought club fighters and talked mad smack and got beat down against a good fighter.

Man the key to being a rich and famous fighter is to fight bums. Just fight no names and talk a big game in knocking out nobodies and eventually you'll be 30-0. You can duck the whole of Mexico and make your fans believe you are actually one of the top guys in the World at your weight. Yeah, maybe someday you'll have to answer the bell against 1 real fighter, but then you can retire a rich man and still pretend you were a great fighter after getting your a*** whooped. I guess Hamed has a lot of company in taking this rout to "greatness" though. Hamed's career choices contained more ducks than the whole Country of Canada. Should I really start listing the fighters that Princess Naseem Hamed Ducked? My keyboard might wear out.

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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing

I can understand if Marquez was disappointed about his fight with Norwood. But it still doesn't make sense why he would not take a big chance like that against the top name in the division. And fight for another 2 years against mostly unknown opponent's. And also Marquez was offered a rematch with Pacquiao, but he fights Chris John in his backyard for 35k then gets robbed. I just think Marquez's team or Marquez himself made a few bad choices in his career.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by GRBOXINGFAN

Marquez had a pulse. This right there automatically disqualified him from fighting Hamed. When MAB actually walked into the ring, Hamed was in shock, he was heard saying, "What is going on here?, usually my opponent is wheeled into the ring on a gurney, this guy might be able to even fight back, I don't like this." Hamed didn't fight very good fighters. There were several guys who could've schooled him as MAB did back then, Marquez was one of them.

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So explain why Marquez POINT-BLANK REFUSED to fight Naz when offered the chance?

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Maybe the contract was bullshit, maybe he was paying him back for POINT BLANK DUCKING him earlier. No way in hell was Marquez scared of that total fraud Naseem Hamed. Hamed was a joke and a clown. I doubt if most of the Mexican featherweights took him very seriously. Although he did manage to decision a respected journeyman Mexican name Ceasar Soto ( a strange fight if I remember, where Hamed resorted to a series of knees to beat his opponent, ref should have DQed him.), I thought I remember a quote from one of Barrera's camp that there are "20 Mexican featherweights tougher than Hamed" At the time I agreed with that quote and still do. Barerra exposed Hamed and that fight wasn't as close as the score cards suggested. Some schmuck gave me 5-2 in that fight and it was the easiest and surest $250 bucks I have ever made in my life. Vegas had the odds closer although I'm sure the Books in the UK had Hamed a huge favorite or something like that.

Never thought much of Kevin Kelley and Wayne McCullough was not much better, but this guy, Hamed, is another protected fighter who fought club fighters and talked mad smack and got beat down against a good fighter.

Man the key to being a rich and famous fighter is to fight bums. Just fight no names and talk a big game in knocking out nobodies and eventually you'll be 30-0. You can duck the whole of Mexico and make your fans believe you are actually one of the top guys in the World at your weight. Yeah, maybe someday you'll have to answer the bell against 1 real fighter, but then you can retire a rich man and still pretend you were a great fighter after getting your a*** whooped. I guess Hamed has a lot of company in taking this rout to "greatness" though. Hamed's career choices contained more ducks than the whole Country of Canada. Should I really start listing the fighters that Princess Naseem Hamed Ducked? My keyboard might wear out.

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I hate Naseem but to say he fought all bums is ridiculous he won the WBO, WBC, titles from good opponents. Naz also fought Barrera who was on a good winning steak and his only loss in years was to Erik Morales who was undefeated and one of the top P4P fighters, so he if he was *Ducking* all the top Mexican fighters why would he have fought Barrera ?? who was one of the best Mexican fighters at that time. The fact is Marquez had beaten only a few goodish names like Agapito Sanchez, Julian Wheeler, when he offered Naseem a fight so it was High Risk/Low Reward fight. And you talk about Soto vs Naz controversy why don't you see Marquez vs Wheeler. That was even more controversial because Marquez was losing the fight coming into the last round and got a gift when the ref DQ Wheeler, and strangely awarded Marquez TKO victory. Marquez is one of my favorite fighters and yes he was the Number 1 contender but you have to realize Marquez wasn't really a known name at that time and like i said earlier it was a High Risk/Low Reward fight for Naz.

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Hamed fought Barrera cuz Barrera was moving up in weight. And after the Morales fight Hamed thought Barrera would stand toe to toe with him. Which is something Hamed wanted. He wanted to score an impressive knock out over the smaller Barrera. Hamed figured wrong and got embarrassed instead. As for the Marquez-Wheeler fight, have your ever even seen the fight? From what I remember Wheeler was doing a lot of holding. And was warned several times. In the last round he was hurt and on the verge of being knocked out. When he again started holding and refused to let go. And in the process lost the fight. I saw no problem with the decision.