Re: A question about scoring
You can have 9-9 rounds!! It may be called "10 point must" but in the event of a boxer winning a round, but being dedcuted a point the round would be 9-9.
Re: A question about scoring
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Originally Posted by Mikkel_K
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
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With the 10 points must system what happens if a fighter gets docked a point and then knocks his opponent down?
Or if both fighters score one knockdown each.
Or if both fighters get a point deducted?
Or varying combinations of all the above?
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With the 10 points must system what happens if a fighter gets docked a point and then knocks his opponent down?...assuming he wins the rest of the rd besides the deduction it is a 9-8 rd
10pt must is a very easy method...the winner of the rd will always be ahead 1pt...2 if there is a knockdown...if the rd winner is deducted a pt during the rd he has 9pts...if there is no knockdown it becomes a 9-9 rd
Also, I seem to remember that ducked points do not actually appear at the score of said round. Is that correct?
Meaning that if boxer A gets a point deducted, but knocks his opponent down, he will appear to have won the round 10-8, only with him having deducted a point from his total points tally at the end of the fight (wherefore the round in effect was scored 9-8 to boxer A).
In other words the point deductions are - initially - irrelevant as to how you score the round, and the 10 point must rule remains intact.
No I have seen 9-9 rds...and 9-8 rds....Now if they do it like you stated thats possible...I think it is up to the judge on how he wants to tally it on his card but it works out the same....on the final scorecard it must show the deduction on the rd
Re: A question about scoring
Daxx, are you 100% certain you've seen a judge write 9-9/9-8 on the scorecard?
Like Mikkel said, I thought the deduction was taken after the final scores had been tallied.
People get confused because the TV commentators scorecards are posted during the fight with the point deduction already taken into account...or so I thought.
Re: A question about scoring
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Daxx, are you 100% certain you've seen a judge write 9-9/9-8 on the scorecard?
Like Mikkel said, I thought the deduction was taken after the final scores had been tallied.
People get confused because the TV commentaters scorecards are posted during the fight with the point deduction already taken into account...or so I thought.
This is copied from the boxing 10 point system...
Scoring
If a knockout or disqualification does not occur, the fight is determined by decision. In the early days of boxing, the referee decided the winner by raising his arm at the end of the bout, a practice that is still used for some professional bouts in Britain. In the early twentieth century, it became common for the referee or judge to score bouts by the number of rounds won. To improve the reliability of scoring, two ringside judges were added besides the referee, and the winner was decided by majority decision. Since the late twentieth century, it has become common practice for all three judges to be ringside observers, though the referee still has the authority to stop a fight or deduct points.
At the end of the fight, the judges add their scores for all rounds, and each judge thereby determines a winner. If all three judges choose the same fighter as the winner, that fighter wins by unanimous decision. If two judges have one boxer winning the fight and the third judge scores it a draw, the boxer wins by majority decision. If two judges have one boxer winning the fight and the third judge has the other boxer winning, the first boxer wins by split decision. If one judge chooses one boxer as the winner, the second judge chooses the other boxer, and the third judge calls it a draw, then the bout is ruled a draw. The bout is also ruled a draw if at least two out of three judges score the fight a draw, regardless of the third score. In the United Kingdom, the bout is only scored by the referee, except when a title is at stake, in which case it is scored by three judges.
The most widely used scoring system since the mid-twentieth century is the "10-point must system", so named because a judge "must" award ten points to at least one fighter each round (before deductions for fouls). Most rounds are scored 10-9, with 10 points for the fighter who won the round, and 9 points for the fighter the judge believes lost the round. If a round is judged to be even, it is scored 10-10. For each knockdown in a round, the judge deducts an additional point from the fighter knocked down, resulting in a 10-8 score if there is one knockdown or a 10-7 score if there are two knockdowns. If the referee instructs the judges to deduct a point for a foul, this deduction is applied after the preliminary computation. So, if a fighter wins a round, but is penalized for a foul, the score changes from 10-9 to 9-9. If that same fighter scored a knockdown in the round, the score would change from 10-8 in his favor to 9-8.
Other scoring systems have also been used in various locations, including the five-point must system, (in which the winning fighter is awarded five points, the loser four or less), the one-point system, (in which the winning fighter is awarded one or more points, and the losing fighter is awarded zero), and the rounds system which simply awards the round to the winning fighter. In the rounds system, the bout is won by the fighter determined to have won more rounds. This system often used a supplemental points system (generally the ten-point must) in the case of even rounds.
If a fight is stopped due to a cut from an unintentional headbutt, the fight goes to the scorecards only if a specified number of rounds (usually three, sometimes four) have been completed. Whoever is ahead on the scorecards wins by a technical decision. If the required number of rounds has not been completed, the fight is declared a technical draw or a no contest.
If a fight is stopped due to a cut resulting from a legal punch, the other participant is awarded a technical knockout win
I put in bold the part about the foul deduction...again as I stated the judge can do what ever he wants with his card but in the end the round that point was deducted in has to reflect the deduction not the overall scoring
Re: A question about scoring
Scenario - Marquez gets knocked down 3 times in the opening round against Pacquiao.
10-6 round.
Pacquiao headbutts Marquez and is deducted a point....
Theres no way i can see that round then being scored 10-7. No one ever gains points?!
'Ten-Point MUST' is probably a bit mis-leading.
Re: A question about scoring
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Scenario - Marquez gets knocked down 3 times in the opening round against Pacquiao.
10-6 round.
Pacquiao headbutts Marquez and is deducted a point....
Theres no way i can see that round then being scored 10-7. No one ever gains points?!
'Ten-Point MUST' is probably a bit mis-leading.
No then the score would be 9-6....where did you get giving Marquez a point?...and not deducting Pacquiao?
Re: A question about scoring
I'm actually even more confused now than when I made the thread ??? :P
Re: A question about scoring
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Originally Posted by The Grinch
Scenario - Marquez gets knocked down 3 times in the opening round against Pacquiao.
10-6 round.
Pacquiao headbutts Marquez and is deducted a point....
Theres no way i can see that round then being scored 10-7. No one ever gains points?!
'Ten-Point MUST' is probably a bit mis-leading.
No then the score would be 9-6....where did you get giving Marquez a point?...and not deducting Pacquiao?
I totally agree, thus rendering the notion of 'Ten Point Must' redundant ^-^
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Scenario - Marquez gets knocked down 3 times in the opening round against Pacquiao.
10-6 round.
Pacquiao headbutts Marquez and is deducted a point....
Theres no way i can see that round then being scored 10-7. No one ever gains points?!
'Ten-Point MUST' is probably a bit mis-leading.
No then the score would be 9-6....where did you get giving Marquez a point?...and not deducting Pacquiao?
I totally agree, thus rendering the notion of 'Ten Point Must' redundant ^-^
::**....All ten point must actually means is it is based off a 10 point starting position.....
If I am not mistaken I think...and again I think... the lowest a fighter can recieve for a rd is 6pts
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Daxx, are you 100% certain you've seen a judge write 9-9/9-8 on the scorecard?
Like Mikkel said, I thought the deduction was taken after the final scores had been tallied.
People get confused because the TV commentaters scorecards are posted during the fight with the point deduction already taken into account...or so I thought.
If the referee instructs the judges to deduct a point for a foul, this deduction is applied after the preliminary computation. So, if a fighter wins a round, but is penalized for a foul, the score changes from 10-9 to 9-9. If that same fighter scored a knockdown in the round, the score would change from 10-8 in his favor to 9-8.
That still don't really make it clear whether the judge can write for example 9-9 instead of 10-9 with the point deducted at the end.
Even though it's totally irrelevant obviously
Someone must have seen an offical scorecard, for fucks sake
Re: A question about scoring
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Daxx, are you 100% certain you've seen a judge write 9-9/9-8 on the scorecard?
Like Mikkel said, I thought the deduction was taken after the final scores had been tallied.
People get confused because the TV commentaters scorecards are posted during the fight with the point deduction already taken into account...or so I thought.
If the referee instructs the judges to deduct a point for a foul, this deduction is applied after the preliminary computation. So, if a fighter wins a round, but is penalized for a foul, the score changes from 10-9 to 9-9. If that same fighter scored a knockdown in the round, the score would change from 10-8 in his favor to 9-8.
That still don't really make it clear whether the judge can write for example 9-9 instead of 10-9 with the point deducted at the end.
Even though it's totally irrelevant obviously
Someone must have seen an offical scorecard, for fucks sake
YES FENSTER MOST JUDGES WILL MAKE IT A 9-9 OR 9-8 RD ON THE CARD
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Daxx, are you 100% certain you've seen a judge write 9-9/9-8 on the scorecard?
Like Mikkel said, I thought the deduction was taken after the final scores had been tallied.
People get confused because the TV commentaters scorecards are posted during the fight with the point deduction already taken into account...or so I thought.
If the referee instructs the judges to deduct a point for a foul, this deduction is applied after the preliminary computation. So, if a fighter wins a round, but is penalized for a foul, the score changes from 10-9 to 9-9. If that same fighter scored a knockdown in the round, the score would change from 10-8 in his favor to 9-8.
That still don't really make it clear whether the judge can write for example 9-9 instead of 10-9 with the point deducted at the end.
Even though it's totally irrelevant obviously
Someone must have seen an offical scorecard, for fucks sake
YES FENSTER MOST JUDGES WILL MAKE IT A 9-9 OR 9-8 RD ON THE CARD
What you shouting for? ;D
I just want to be 100% correct, thats all.
Could you bet your house on it?
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Daxx, are you 100% certain you've seen a judge write 9-9/9-8 on the scorecard?
Like Mikkel said, I thought the deduction was taken after the final scores had been tallied.
People get confused because the TV commentaters scorecards are posted during the fight with the point deduction already taken into account...or so I thought.
If the referee instructs the judges to deduct a point for a foul, this deduction is applied after the preliminary computation. So, if a fighter wins a round, but is penalized for a foul, the score changes from 10-9 to 9-9. If that same fighter scored a knockdown in the round, the score would change from 10-8 in his favor to 9-8.
That still don't really make it clear whether the judge can write for example 9-9 instead of 10-9 with the point deducted at the end.
Even though it's totally irrelevant obviously
Someone must have seen an offical scorecard, for fucks sake
YES FENSTER MOST JUDGES WILL MAKE IT A 9-9 OR 9-8 RD ON THE CARD
What you shouting for? ;D
I just want to be 100% correct, thats all.
Could you bet your house on it?
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:...Your Killing me here Mate...
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;D
It's doing my head in too.
No-one can bet their life on it though, right? ;D
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;D
It's doing my head in too.
No-one can bet their life on it though, right? ;D
For the sake of my sanity I must leave now :(
